Ron Paul's Campaign sabotaged.

Nah. Ron Paul won't be President because:

1. He never really developed the name recognition thanks to the mainstream media. It may not have been coordinated or even intentional, but they usually referenced him as the guy who "didn't have a chance". (can't help but think of CNN's Kiran Chetry practically begging him to drop out after he raised the 6 million bucks)
2. Some of his libertarian positions turn off large numbers of the population. Most people think the drug war is working, and that entitlement programs are the only way to "help" the poor.

I think these two things sum up most of it.

1. IT WAS DEFINITELY INTENTIONAL. Did any anchor ever beg Huckabee or Thompson to quit in the face of successful fundraising? Did they overtly call any other non-front tier candidate someone who didn't have a chance? Was any other candidate left out of as many GOP polls throughout 2007 as Paul was?

2. Paul didn't emphasize libertarian positions on drugs and welfare, instead stressing the the war, the Fed, IRS, and civil liberties. There are positions he should have more fully embraced, such as 9/11 truth, that would have resonated with large segments of the public and diffused the "but they did it to us" emotionalism underlying the war on terror. Conservatively, about half the movement supports 9/11 truth (see below thread), so it was a mistake to spurn such a widespread concern of his supporters. It was his ambivalence, and later distancing from 9/11 that helped divide the revolution and deflate his support:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=122416&highlight=truth+poll
 
Anti-Zionist Nuts

Who owns the lease to the World Trade Center for the next 99 years? Why would anyone have EVER even considered rebuilding on that site? Can't we all admit that Zionism is bad? Or like the ADL and Wolf Blitzer do you consider me an anti-semite for taking that position? If that is the case WHEN are we going to give the US back to the "Indians"?

You hide behind Zionism as a code word for anti-semitism. I am a Zionist why do you call me bad? What is wrong with my Zionism? What do you want to do with us Zionists? Round us up and gas us or just deport us to Israel or Aushwitz.
 
1. IT WAS DEFINITELY INTENTIONAL. Did any anchor ever beg Huckabee or Thompson to quit in the face of successful fundraising? Did they overtly call any other non-front tier candidate someone who didn't have a chance? Was any other candidate left out of as many GOP polls throughout 2007 as Paul was?

2. Paul didn't emphasize libertarian positions on drugs and welfare, instead stressing the the war, the Fed, IRS, and civil liberties. There are positions he should have more fully embraced, such as 9/11 truth, that would have resonated with large segments of the public and diffused the "but they did it to us" emotionalism underlying the war on terror. Conservatively, about half the movement supports 9/11 truth (see below thread), so it was a mistake to spurn such a widespread concern of his supporters. It was his ambivalence, and later distancing from 9/11 that helped divide the revolution and deflate his support:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=122416&highlight=truth+poll

People such as yourself claim widespread support for your pet projects, such as 911 truth. Ron Paul doesn't support your view, period. He doesn't change his positions to match your wishes. He just doesn't believe your theories. You don't help the campaign by inserting your pet project into it. Most of us RP supporters and the general public, just don't buy it, regardless. That's why the media used the issue to ridicule us. You 911 truthers didn't care, you enjoyed making our candidate into a laughing stock for your project. Who cares about the campaign, I got my pet project on national TV. Great job!! helping Ron Paul go down in history without winning, and making RP and us look like a bunch of kooks.

Oh no, you're wrong, we could have done so much better, if we would have pushed this issue that we don't believe in? Any other issues, you wish the good doctor would have supported, that he doesn't believe in?

Yes, that's the problem kooky people can't even see, we were the deer in the headlights, they ran us right off the road by telling the public, we are kooky, just like you. So, when you lose, the kooks say, you see that, if we had just used our kooky issue, we would have done better or won. Yo'all kooks lack common sense. In a political campaign, you keep your kooky ideas to yourself. As a libertarian "kook" I didn't run around campaigning on getting rid of public schools, public roads and drivers licenses? Why, because the public isn't going to buy those ideas right now. If I or we or us libertarian "kooks" pushed these ideas, I would have hurt not helped the campaign. So, I kept silent the whole campaign about my "kooky" ideas. That is just plain common sense. After the campaign has passed, I don't complain, if we had just campaigned on my "kooky" ideas, we would have won. Why don't you 911 truthers, join the real world? Instead of imagining that everyone supports your "kooky" idea? But, that's why others, including myself call you truthers "kooky", because you don't even understand that not even most RP supporters, can buy your 911 truth ideas. Once you understand that your ideas are viewed as "kooky" you just shut up, at least that's what us libertarian kooks decided, but not you 911 kooks, you ran around the whole campaign trying to convert other RP supporters into fellow kooks and the public to your own pet cause.

Ron Paul set the important issues that he wanted to run on, leaving out the lesser "kooky" ideas. Abolishing the IRS and withdrawing the troops, isn't that radical enough for the public. What more did you want from the man? He was fighting against 200 years of statism, but 911 truth would have won the day. You can't get much more "kooky" than that.
 
If Ron Paul had McCain's supporters he would have the nomination lol

Do you know I have not met one person who actually voted for McCain? How did he win the nomination anyway? hmmmmmmm Perhaps it was "written in the stars"

Or is it that Ron Paul supporters are thinkers

John McCain Supporters are sheep

Sheep who are told what to do......by Rush Limbaugh lol


What a sad sad world when the thinker is persecuted and labeled by his own people for not conforming......

I guess what amazes me most are the actual NON-THINKERS who support Ron Paul......are you sure you are in the right place? How did you get out of line with the rest of the sheep? Did someone leave the gate open again? :eek:
 
You hide behind Zionism as a code word for anti-semitism. I am a Zionist why do you call me bad? What is wrong with my Zionism? What do you want to do with us Zionists? Round us up and gas us or just deport us to Israel or Aushwitz.

dumbest post of the year award.

in this post, you do exactly as the member in question said that you would.


think, please.
 
You hide behind Zionism as a code word for anti-semitism. I am a Zionist why do you call me bad? What is wrong with my Zionism? What do you want to do with us Zionists? Round us up and gas us or just deport us to Israel or Aushwitz.

I believe that Zionism is responsible for about a hundred years of war. I hide behind nothing. I say Zionism is racism. And being anti-Zionist is to be anti-racist.

I hate Christian Zionists as much as Jewish Zionists. And I believe the old testament is racist, too. So that includes all Jews, Christians, and Muslims I think. Now you know how I really feel.

Stealing land based on race is racist. Let's give America back to the Native Americans before we worry about imposing justice on other people across the ocean.


By the way, I hate NAZIs, communists and bankers, too.
 
The thing about the Truthers.. is they have a completely different agenda than ours but at the end of the day we both want the same thing. Ron Paul to be elected.

So squabbling and dividing does nothing. We simply need to have an understanding. We are for Ron Paul. They can do whatever the hell they want as long as they don't tie what they do as campaign positions of Ron Paul. Everything else is something to squabble about AFTER WE HAVE KICKED THE FUCKING MSM, NEOCONS, AND DEMOCRATS ASSES!!!

Focus on the ball guys.
 
The thing about the Truthers.. is they have a completely different agenda than ours but at the end of the day we both want the same thing. Ron Paul to be elected.

So squabbling and dividing does nothing. We simply need to have an understanding. We are for Ron Paul. They can do whatever the hell they want as long as they don't tie what they do as campaign positions of Ron Paul. Everything else is something to squabble about AFTER WE HAVE KICKED THE FUCKING MSM, NEOCONS, AND DEMOCRATS ASSES!!!

Focus on the ball guys.

You can't kick the enemy and get our constitutional ball back, so long as you don't take down their gigantic emotional shield. We keep squabbling because mostly ignoring the 9-11 elephant in the room deeply hurt Paul's campaign. Unless that major error is understood and corrected, the movement may go on failing. I documented, with poll numbers, the wide agreement of Paul supporters (and the general public) with 9-11 truth in the prior post, and Paul's own agreement with many of these concerns (in his words, from the transcript) is cited below. The agenda IS basically the same, period, so let's accept that documented fact and move forward:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=132026
 
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