Ron Paul's Campaign sabotaged.

[Feelgood]

http ://www. modbee.com/opinion/letters/story/239664.html

Probably alot of truth to this, unfortunately. Especially the 9/11 Truthers.

 

[GoPaul08]

http ://www. modbee.com/opinion/letters/story/239664.html

Probably alot of truth to this, unfortunately. Especially the 9/11 Truthers.

What race are we talking about now? Making people ignore you for being a delusional crazy person by sayingthat Ron Paul still has a chance to be the GOP is not the way to spread the word.

I just don't understnad why you think that Ron Paul is an idiot. After all, he freely admits that he is not going to be the GOP nominee. So you must be calling him stupid.

How dare you.


As for this story..this is EXACTLy why Ron Paul was wrong for not outright condemning the truthers and refusing their donations. However, it may have hurt him, but the notion that without them he was sure to win is pretty absurd. Same with the notion that he had the best chance to beat the Democrats.

 

[0zzy]

It's always about the "Jews", eh?

 

[HollyforRP]

What race are we talking about now? Making people ignore you for being a delusional crazy person by sayingthat Ron Paul still has a chance to be the GOP is not the way to spread the word.

I just don't understnad why you think that Ron Paul is an idiot. After all, he freely admits that he is not going to be the GOP nominee. So you must be calling him stupid.

How dare you.


As for this story..this is EXACTLy why Ron Paul was wrong for not outright condemning the truthers and refusing their donations. However, it may have hurt him, but the notion that without them he was sure to win is pretty absurd. Same with the notion that he had the best chance to beat the Democrats.

Whatever. Even if he condemned the truthers and whoever else the media went after, Ron Paul would have had the same treatment.

I don't see the media pinpointing groups of others supporters and trying to tell a candidate to pick and choose because basically they were trying to split up his supporters and have them fight for their differences.

 

[HollyforRP]

This article is very amateur:

"Ron Paul's campaign sabotaged
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There is a reason why Ron Paul will not be president. It has nothing to do with fraud or Diebold machines. The reason why he lost is that a small but vocal minority of lunatic fringe elements (particularly Holocaust deniers and 9/11 "truthers," people who believe 9/11 was an inside job done on behalf of a larger Jewish conspiracy) used Ron Paul's campaign as a vehicle for the dissemination of their propaganda.

They had their own agenda and they didn't care if it hurt Ron Paul's chances. Their public statements and antics gave the establishment media the ammunition to unfairly link Paul and his real supporters to the subversive views of a tiny handful of malodorous cranks. Even after Paul made it abundantly clear that their views were not his, they continued to hang around his neck like the dead albatross, scaring away people who otherwise would have voted for him. The 9/11 "truthers" and Holocaust deniers should be expecting a thank you note from the Democrats very soon for sabotaging the presidential run of the only man who could have beaten them in November.

CHARLES BYRD

Modesto"



Alright my 2 cents

STFU thought police. These people are clearly trying to claim that it was a specific breed that ruined Ron's chances and that is a lie. It's people like this who act like they are trying to be helpful by playing the role of the thought police.

I've heard Ron Paul labelled anti-semitic for his ideas on war. I wouldn't be surprised if the person who wrote that article supports Hillary.

 

[acptulsa]

How dare you.

Where the hell did this rant come from? What does it have to do with the article? Just any old excuse to be a naysayer?

 

[sratiug]

It's always about the "Jews", eh?

Who owns the lease to the World Trade Center for the next 99 years? Why would anyone have EVER even considered rebuilding on that site? Can't we all admit that Zionism is bad? Or like the ADL and Wolf Blitzer do you consider me an anti-semite for taking that position? If that is the case WHEN are we going to give the US back to the "Indians"?

 

[HollyforRP]

If that is the case WHEN are we going to give the US back to the "Indians"?

I hear that rant commonly to excuse behavior of now

It's okay to attack arabs because well, Americans did this and that in the past.

Also, I often hear slavery brought up to justify actions of today

------(This part is not directed at your quote or to you) v


We fought our own civil war. What do you see in the news? Oh yeah you see covert racism making people fear black men, hispanics and old white men.

Blacks are pinned against hispanics in the news and that only happened after hispanics seemed more anglo.

Jews are now officially a race even though they carefully try to proxify their labels yet label everyone that doesn't agree with this war anti-semitic even thought semites aren't just for Jews but also arabs and their culture as well as Persians.

Then the holocaust is brought up. Okay well, you want my sympathy?? Quit acting like guilt trip morons, quit hiding behind your stupid attempts of speech suppression because you can't handle criticism while you criticize everyone else and label them racists.

Why do jews that are pale claim they hate white people? Your skin is white, you are white. White is a color not a race. I love how people manipulate others to not say such things about their own group but will do the same.

Also, if jewish people want my sympathy for the holocaust, why don't Israel jews and supporters of Zion quit doing what Hitler did to them onto Palestinians.

That was then and this is now. For some reason alot of supports of Israel's decision to wipe away arabs really want people to keep silent about their disdain and also tell people what America's constitution means to suit their own agenda naturally and keep racism alive as well as guilt.

Germans were guilt tripped too. If you live in the past you'll stay there but some people who aren't really racist would like to move on yet these past dwellers won't allow that to happen and it's all about mental control and manipulation using guilt and suppression.

I don't care what I am labelled as a result because I can guarantee you that the people who do that do so because they are manipulative dickheads.

 

[IllMortalD]

If you don't want me involved because I have questions that aren't answered or aren't answered properly then fine, but don't tell me who or what I am like you know every single type of "truther".
Have you looked into it at all or did you just accept everything that was told to you? Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. To say that someone is hurting the movement for trying to more accurately understand what happened to us on that day is absurd. There is a lot of emotion involved for some people others are zealots that's true for any cause but we are all not one type of crazy conspiracy theorist. When you tell me that it's not okay to ask questions, that it might hurt the movement then you suppress my liberty and possibly my safety in the event there is something nefarious happening. Anyways here's another rant. Peace

 

[acptulsa]

If you don't want me involved because I have questions that aren't answered or aren't answered properly then fine, but don't tell me who or what I am like you know every single type of "truther".
Have you looked into it at all or did you just accept everything that was told to you? Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. To say that someone is hurting the movement for trying to more accurately understand what happened to us on that day is absurd. There is a lot of emotion involved for some people others are zealots that's true for any cause but we are all not one type of crazy conspiracy theorist. When you tell me that it's not okay to ask questions, that it might hurt the movement then you suppress my liberty and possibly my safety in the event there is something nefarious happening. Anyways here's another rant. Peace

I don't know why Americans wouldn't ask questions. Look at the good that came of Woodward and Bernstein asking questions about Nixon. I don't know why a person interested in truth and justice wouldn't support Dr. Paul. What other candidate would have fewer sacred cows of his own--or would hold those cows less sacred?

I would just hope that, if asked by Dr. Paul to take it elsewhere for the good of the campaign, they would have sense enough and courtesy enough to comply. That's all. But I won't be flaming all "truthers" over the actions of a few.

 

[wowabunga]

Hack Article. Meant to further divide.

We had some 9-11 truthers at a big event a few months back. The local Ron Paul Meetup crew saw how the 9-11 crew was handing out free T-Shirts at the event. We got together ( it was our event ) and nicely asked the truthers to put away their free tshirts... and get this... they did... problem solved.

The next time we met up with the same folks... no problems. We respect their right to believe what they wish, and they respected our requests. Good people.... all of us working for a good cause.

I have some "pet beliefs" that I feel strongly about... but I don't force this down others throats. Matter of fact I've posted over 300 times here and have yet to mention one of the reasons I'm a big Ron Paul fan..... my Great Grand Parents were married for over 50 years and I have the highest regards for couples who keep their promises.

 

[TheInvestigatorOfFreedom]

the answer is that people who have the compelling of the 9/11 truthers plus the holocaust deniers is breaking this they need just support instead of convincing the people that 9/11 was an inside job or the holocaust never happened i would say let Ron Paul do his Job and just get people to vote for him. the problem with this campaign is the people trying to convince public that strategy won't work. or trying to hit on obama point of view even tho obama did say something about Pakistan he should let the obama supporters hear that and let them decide who to vote for. The second problem is we need to think more like a supporting campaign then a truth movement. The reason why some people won't vote for Ron Paul is because of some his supporters which is true. the spirit of Ron Paul campaign should never die out but we need to work hard and stop convincing the public of the dangers because that strategy will not bring new people into the Ron Paul revolution. The only thing that will convince the people into the Ron Paul revolution is the policies that Ron Paul brings to the table to put out a good statement that Ron Paul made or what he would do if he was president. Just keep your cool until Ron Paul wins then you can look in the back of your mind.

 

[HollyforRP]

the question is that people who have the compelling of the 9/11 truthers plus the holocaust deniers is breaking this they need just support instead of convincing the people that 9/11 was an inside job or the holocaust never happened i would say let Ron Paul do his Job and just get people to vote for him.

Yeah, I agree with not cross promoting. I don't however think that all truthers are in on the same cross promoting plot. If anything those that cross promote are probably just media moles trying to make Ron Paul and all his supporters look bad. They purposely are doing a disservice and wouldn't surprise me if they supported someone else but decided to troll the streets.

It made it so that anyone who claims to be a truther must be a mole or a troll. Media made this happen.

 

[IllMortalD]

True. Who does media represent? That's the question. I hear people talk about greed and corruption but no one ever wonders what the people "beyond money" have as goals. What I mean by beyond money is simply those elite that have the means to sustain themselves regardless of the economic situation their fellow countrymen and women are in. We always point the blame at money, but if money means nothing to you then you tend to turn to more ideological pursuits. We see that sometimes with Warren Buffet or Bill Gates giving a ton of money away with charity. Is it not true that there would also be those that use their influence or power to further goals not in our country's interest? Again I say that this is not the only possible explanation, but it is possible. Corporations that are transnational are beyond any one country they are in, is the same not true of those elite so wealthy they are in essence transnational. The greatest lie the devil ever told was that he didn't exist, and he seems to hold so much authority everyone believed him.If I'm wrong then all we have to deal with is some money hungry crooks. If I'm even half right this movement won't be the only one that's needed.

 

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

I have never encountered a Holocaust denier, either in person or on these boards. Truthers, yeah...

 

[OptionsTrader]

Meant to further divide.

Precisely.

If Paul was concerned about this association, he wouldn't have gone on AJ's show so many times last year.

Let people believe what they want to believe, be tolerant and respectful, and this perceived problem goes away.

 

[Sir VotesALot]

I have never encountered a Holocaust denier, either in person or on these boards.

Nice to meet you. Don't worry we're quite normal and friendly.

Friedrich Paul Berg (AKA Fritz Berg) is also registered here but has only posted once. He has a degree in engineering and has been a "holocaust denier" for many years. Watch him here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcA5NnEsTA8

 

[notcarljung]

Nah. Ron Paul won't be President because:

1. He never really developed the name recognition thanks to the mainstream media. It may not have been coordinated or even intentional, but they usually referenced him as the guy who "didn't have a chance". (can't help but think of CNN's Kiran Chetry practically begging him to drop out after he raised the 6 million bucks)
2. Some of his libertarian positions turn off large numbers of the population. Most people think the drug war is working, and that entitlement programs are the only way to "help" the poor.

I think these two things sum up most of it.

 

[VoteForRonPaul]

As for this story..this is EXACTLy why Ron Paul was wrong for not outright condemning the truthers and refusing their donations.

Condemn who man? Condemn the people who are seeking the truth? condemn the people who do not trust their government?
9/11 truthers are the fruits of this country believe it or not! And if you condemn them then you are a major part of the CRISIS!

 

[Luft97]

I hear that rant commonly to excuse behavior of now

It's okay to attack arabs because well, Americans did this and that in the past.

Also, I often hear slavery brought up to justify actions of today

------(This part is not directed at your quote or to you) v


We fought our own civil war. What do you see in the news? Oh yeah you see covert racism making people fear black men, hispanics and old white men.

Blacks are pinned against hispanics in the news and that only happened after hispanics seemed more anglo.

Jews are now officially a race even though they carefully try to proxify their labels yet label everyone that doesn't agree with this war anti-semitic even thought semites aren't just for Jews but also arabs and their culture as well as Persians.

Then the holocaust is brought up. Okay well, you want my sympathy?? Quit acting like guilt trip morons, quit hiding behind your stupid attempts of speech suppression because you can't handle criticism while you criticize everyone else and label them racists.

Why do jews that are pale claim they hate white people? Your skin is white, you are white. White is a color not a race. I love how people manipulate others to not say such things about their own group but will do the same.

Also, if jewish people want my sympathy for the holocaust, why don't Israel jews and supporters of Zion quit doing what Hitler did to them onto Palestinians.

That was then and this is now. For some reason alot of supports of Israel's decision to wipe away arabs really want people to keep silent about their disdain and also tell people what America's constitution means to suit their own agenda naturally and keep racism alive as well as guilt.

Germans were guilt tripped too. If you live in the past you'll stay there but some people who aren't really racist would like to move on yet these past dwellers won't allow that to happen and it's all about mental control and manipulation using guilt and suppression.

I don't care what I am labelled as a result because I can guarantee you that the people who do that do so because they are manipulative dickheads.

Good post.