Ron Paul, Tom Woods, Judge Nap at the Mises Summit

[sailingaway]

Can I ask how none of these have been put on the frontpage yet? Instead we've got a 3 year old video of Ron... why? We should keep current.

I thought Ron's speech was incredible... so optimistic and enlightening.

I was hoping for one with the video, last time the video one turned up.... no one has it?

 

[sailingaway]

OK, I put it up, Ron shows and the fact that there are links to Judge Nap and Tom Woods also shows

 

[Carson]

Here is a picture of some random person off the internet with Ron and Carol at the Mises Institute.

Really, Ron, a ribbon tie? Other than Clark Gable and the Kentucky Fried Chicken Colonel, I'm not sure I've seen those....

http://karendecoster.com/photo-with-ron-paul.html

The ribbon tie looks great. Kind of old fashioned. I see them in my TV westerns. Sort of a Texas thing I imagine. Mr. and Mrs. Dr. Paul both look like they are having a great time. Karen De Coster does too.

 

[Carson]

I watched, "Reflections on the Loss of Liberty | Andrew P. Napolitano".

He is a good speaker. He will make a good Vice President if elected.

Could you imagine having both a President AND a Vice President that made sense when they spoke AND would try and lead us in a sensible direction?

One can wish upon a couple of stars.

Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano

2012​

 

[green73]

DiLorenzo's speech:



I got to have dinner with him the first night there

He's always great. This is another amazing talk:

War: Revisionism, Fascism, and the CIA | John V. Denson

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Thanks for sharing. Hope this puts an end to the anti-MI/Lew hate I sometimes see around here.

 

[green73]

Thanks for sharing. Hope this puts an end to the anti-MI/Lew hate I sometimes see around here.

Me too. It's very discouraging to see people in the liberty movement who've let their buttons be pushed by the lying Establishment.

 

[Carson]

Watched the, "How Murray Rothbard Changed my Mind on War | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.".

The guy made some important points of where we're at. They came at a good time for me. Some things I needed to hear.

 

[Travlyr]

Me too. It's very discouraging to see people in the liberty movement who've let their buttons be pushed by the lying Establishment.

What is even more discouraging is to see so many people in the liberty movement come away from the Mises Institute with an anti-state attitude when Mises himself was a pro-state advocate.

"It is impossible to grasp the meaning of the idea of sound money if one does not realize that it was devised as an instrument for the protection of civil liberties against despotic inroads on the part of governments. Ideologically it belongs in the same class with political constitutions and bills of right." - Ludwig von Mises

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

What is even more discouraging is to see so many people in the liberty movement come away from the Mises Institute with an anti-state attitude when Mises himself was a pro-state advocate.

It is well-known that the Mises Institute is an anarchy front. Ron Paul doesn't seem to have a problem with it, why do you?

 

[Travlyr]

It is well-known that the Mises Institute is an anarchy front. Ron Paul doesn't seem to have a problem with it, why do you?

Because I am a landowner who understands liberty. I understand Ludwig von Mises's message of classical liberalism which Mises himself stated,

We call the social apparatus of compulsion and coercion that induces people to abide by the rules of life in society, the state; the rules according to which the state proceeds, law; and the organs charged with the responsibility of administering the apparatus of compulsion, government.

I don't drink anarchist "Koolaid."

Anarchism misunderstands the real nature of man. It would be practicable only in a world of angels and saints.

Liberalism is not anarchism, nor has it anything whatsoever to do with anarchism. The liberal understands quite clearly that without resort to compulsion, the existence of society would be endangered and that behind the rules of conduct whose observance is necessary to assure peaceful human cooperation must stand the threat of force if the whole edifice of society is not to be continually at the mercy of any one of its members. One must be in a position to compel the person who will not respect the lives, health, personal freedom, or private property of others to acquiesce in the rules of life in society. This is the function that the liberal doctrine assigns to the state: the protection of property, liberty, and peace." - Ludwig von Mises

I view all home owning anarchists as hypocrites. None of them walk the talk. Mises and Paul walk the talk.

 

[Travlyr]

It is well-known that the Mises Institute is an anarchy front. Ron Paul doesn't seem to have a problem with it, why do you?

Hegelian Dialect

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

Many of the people associated with the LvMI are ancaps, but I don't think Mises was an anarchist himself. Based on what I read, it seems like Mises supported a state monopoly on security.

 

[noneedtoaggress]

Many of the people associated with the LvMI are ancaps, but I don't think Mises was an anarchist himself. Based on what I read, it seems like Mises supported a state monopoly on security.

In case you hadn't seen it and might find it interesting:

http://mises.org/daily/6226/Mises-on-Secession

 

[Travlyr]

In case you hadn't seen it and might find it interesting:

http://mises.org/daily/6226/Mises-on-Secession

Indeed. That is what classical liberalism is.

 

[Wesker1982]

This subject is never going to go away. This forum should get with the times and embrace the dialogue and debate. Especially since the Ron Paul campaign is over, and Ron himself says the Mises Institute and ideas are more important than political action. Like it or not, along with the Mises Institute comes the promotion of a peaceful and productive society without taxation. It just looks so silly to see the Ron Paul forum scared of a message that Ron himself has no problem associating with. You don't all have to agree with the message, but censoring ideas that Ron Paul promotes is odd for a forum named after him.

If the only point of this forum is for organizing political action, rename it to something more appropriate. Naming it after a man who promotes ideas as much more important than political action doesn't make sense if discussing ideas (especially ones he supports) is prohibited.

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

Are Libertarians 'Anarchists'?
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We must therefore conclude that we are not anarchists, and that those who call us anarchists are not on firm etymological ground, and are being completely unhistorical.

 

[Travlyr]

This subject is never going to go away. This forum should get with the times and embrace the dialogue and debate. Especially since the Ron Paul campaign is over, and Ron himself says the Mises Institute and ideas are more important than political action. Like it or not, along with the Mises Institute comes the promotion of a peaceful and productive society without taxation. It just looks so silly to see the Ron Paul forum scared of a message that Ron himself has no problem associating with. You don't all have to agree with the message, but censoring ideas that Ron Paul promotes is odd for a forum named after him.

If the only point of this forum is for organizing political action, rename it to something more appropriate. Naming it after a man who promotes ideas as much more important than political action doesn't make sense if discussing ideas (especially ones he supports) is prohibited.

The Mises Institute... not the Rothbard Institute.

"The program of liberalism, therefore, if condensed into a single word, would have to read: property, that is, private ownership of the means of production... All the other demands of liberalism result from his fundamental demand." - Ludwig von Mises

The private ownership of the means of production... not the private ownership of everything. The state has a purpose. Mises describes it thusly,

"This is the function that the liberal doctrine assigns to the state: the protection of property, liberty, and peace." - Ludwig von Mises

Give the man some credit. He is the man the LVMI is named after... after all.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Are Libertarians 'Anarchists'?
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That has to be taken in context with the article (which was written under the pseudonym "Aubrey Herbert" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auberon_Herbert).

"If you grant that it is legitimate for people to band together and allow the State to coerce individuals to pay taxes for a certain service – "defense" – why is it not equally moral and legitimate for people to join in a similar way and allow the State the right to provide other services – such as post offices, "welfare," steel, power, etc.? If a State supported by a majority can morally do one, why not morally do the others?" I confess that I see no answer to this question. If it is proper and legitimate to coerce an unwilling Henry Thoreau into paying taxes for his own "protection" to a coercive state monopoly, I see no reason why it should not be equally proper to force him to pay the State for any other services, whether they be groceries, charity, newspapers, or steel. We are left to conclude that the pure libertarian must advocate a society where an individual may voluntarily support none or any police or judicial agency that he deems to be efficient and worthy of his custom.

Other portions of the article detail the frequent socialist leanings of many of the more popular anarchist groups up to that time.

Also, that was written in the 1950s. Rothbard wrote thousands upon thousands of pages openly, rather than somewhat coyingly, supporting anarcho-capitalism over the next 40 years of his life.

 

[Travlyr]

Are Libertarians 'Anarchists'?
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"Well, then, what governmental measures do you favor? What type of taxes do you wish to impose?" The statist has irretrievably gained the offensive, and, having no answer to the first question, the libertarian finds himself surrendering his case.

Locke answered the first question quite succinctly.

"The aim of such a legitimate government is to preserve, so far as possible, the rights to life, liberty, health and property of its citizens, and to prosecute and punish those of its citizens who violate the rights of others and to pursue the public good even where this may conflict with the rights of individuals. In doing this it provides something unavailable in the state of nature, an impartial judge to determine the severity of the crime, and to set a punishment proportionate to the crime. This is one of the main reasons why civil society is an improvement on the state of nature. An illegitimate government will fail to protect the rights to life, liberty, health and property of its subjects, and in the worst cases, such an illegitimate government will claim to be able to violate the rights of its subjects, that is it will claim to have despotic power over its subjects."

Taxes to pay for a Sheriff's department, an elected District Attorney, County & State Judges, County Clerk & Recorder, Road Commissioner, Park Commissioner, County Commissioners, State Senator, State Representative, Federal Senator, Federal Representative, President, and Judges. Minimal taxation for a Minimal State ... Minimal Governance.