Ron Paul - The Secret Plan (the best Ron Paul posting ever)

[blakjak]

One major assumption that I think is off.

1. RP appears to have about $20 million still stashed

The Paul campaign expanded rapidly in the 4th quarter. This costs more money than you might assume. TV ads ($1.5 million) and radio ads ($0.5 milliion) were also purchased for New Hampshire and Iowa. There were still costs of paid mailings, opening offices, paid staffers, etc. I would guess the cash on hand is closer to $10 million than $20 million.

 

[Cyclone]

The ads we've seen are subpar... B work. No creative punch and lacking the pixie-dust factor. No more money from me until we see stellar ads. Sorry I just have high expectations.

No shit. His ads have been focused on getting the farthest right group that he can. Again, brilliant strategy. His campaign has been run by a bunch of young kids who know NOTHING about running a campaign. They treat supporters rudely, they don't give a damn about votes, and they ignore every single volunteer who offered to help.


Months ago, I called every day for 8 days begging them to send out an email telling folks that NY and NH had a deadline coming up to become a Republican so people could vote for Ron. I was told that if the people aren't going to bother to come to the website to find this out for themselves, then WE DON'T NEED THEM. Brandon told me that little gem. Brandon is twenty something. He refused to ever let me speak to anyone higher up and who no longer uses pimple cream.

So, instead of sending out an email at least a month in advance and giving the grassroots a chance of turning a ton of people, nothing was done, a deadline was passed and thousands of Ron Paul supporters in NY are gone for good. No chance for them to vote for Ron Paul.

In case everyone has missed it, the Reps are doing terribly. They are getting about 1/3 of the vote. I have been begging those morons for months to go after the disenfranchised Inds and leave the Reps alone. We can't win them, so why try. So what do they do? Go after the Reps and leave the Inds alone.

I have been biting my tongue for a long time. I won't do it anymore. This is not nor ever has been a campaign that behaves like they want to win.

Save money. What the hell is wrong with them?

If they really did try to do poorly, well, I guess their little plan worked. Good going geniuses.

If the poster thought this thread was going to cheer people up, well, sorry, but it didn't work. Neither will such a stupid plan.

 

[Talldude1412]

Cyclone and Jason, I appreciate your views on the subject, although I would really appreciate keeping it more constructive, instead of boohoos.

Momentum doesn't mean crap, unless you are a regular run of the mill candidate that doesn't have anything to sell other than everyone else's ideas. If this gossip is true, it would both introduce millions to Ron Paul and the message right before the election (keeping spirits and emotions high about his principles) and it would make him look like a diamond in the rough for the people who are sick of seeing Romney, McCain and Huckabee duke it out. This is like every story you've ever read, teetering on the edge of defeat a hero comes to save the day.

He has used this strategy many times in his congressional elections, and it worked in that environment. (It also looks like Rudy's plan)

Lets face it, going by how the voters in NH went, RP really wasn't going to win there anyway. But the "hero" strategy seems far more likely to work. It's risky, but he has to be. And at the very least he will get to spread his message, generate buzz, and excite people to the movement on a very large scale.

 

[Cyclone]

The reason they aren't communicating with us, IS BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE ARE RON PAUL'S WORST ENEMY!!

Man I can't believe some of the assinine things people do in the name of Ron Paul. The Powers that be couldn't write better stuff than what our "supporters" do in Ron Paul's name.

Honestly, was it a good idea to chase Sean Hannity down AND TAPE IT?? Or to HOUND NH with "unofficial" phone calls or go door to door and argue with people??

If I were Ron Paul I'd keep my mouth shut too and just implement the plan I knew would win.

Ron Paul is playing from a WEAK hand but has lots of money. He is playing BULLY POKER right now. He is forcing people to put money on the table in loosing hands(even as he knows he's going to loose). THEY LOOSE MORE.

It's called a war of attrition. This doesn't mean HE WINS. Far from it, but this strategy IS THE ONLY WAY WE COULD OR CAN WIN!!

We NEVER had a chance in Iowa or NH. And here is a little clue. Michigan, SC and Florida are going to get us similar results(maybe 3 and 4th instead of 5th).

Super Tuesday AND BEYOND is the only way we win. And the only way this stretches out this far is to make EVERYONE spend money everywhere and split the vote up and keep it muddy.

Ron Paul is counting on us to keep feeding him money. His data tells him that we supporters are far from tapped. I personally have only given about 250 bucks to the campaign and I plan to give more when i get my tax return back.

It's as good a plan as they could have played.

If Ron Paul went all in so early, the campaign would already be over.

We may have already lost now. BUT there is a chance that something changes the dynamics. AND NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF THE MESSAGE!!

Our 10% is growing on a very fast and consistent curve. We started at ZERO percent and now are getting a solid and REAL 8 or 9%. It will be 10 to 12% in Michigan and SC and who knows after that.


Robert

First of all lose is spelled with one O.

Second, I live in a Super Tuesday state. I said so above. What part of NO ONE HERE KNOWS WHO THE HELL HE IS, is hard to understand. The election is less than one month away, so if his brilliant plan is to blitz the state with information, then he is too late.

He had until Jan. 6th for Inds to become Reps so they could vote for him. He CANNOT win with the Republican/Fox News base. He had to go after the Inds. In my state it is too late. He won't get the Republicans to vote for him. The HATE him.

So, tell me again, how this genius plan is going to work?

He could have had another ten million dollars this month from supporters if he had done well in Iowa and NH. Now, he will be lucky to top one million. Trevor is stealing any chance Ron has of getting a bunch of money from a money bomb. His stupid plan of getting folks to donate ten bucks each will get the credit card folks rich, but that is about all. The moron who everyone thinks is a God around here doesn't even know what a transaction cost is.

Once again, Trevor is splitting the grassroots into two groups and neither can do well without the other. Good thing we spent half a million dollars on a hot air balloon. That seemed to do wonders.

While the other campaigns were actually campaigning, we were sitting here with our thumbs up our bums.

If you want Ron Paul to have a prayer, you have one shot. Every single Ron Paul supporter must go out and campaign. That means knocking on doors, handing out slim jims, calling people one on one. Doing some real frackin' work.

I bet if I ask right now, not ten people will agree to do the above. Don't believe me?

Ok, who will be going out today and campaigning for Ron Paul?

 

[Talldude1412]

First of all lose is spelled with one O.

Second, I live in a Super Tuesday state. I said so above. What part of NO ONE HERE KNOWS WHO THE HELL HE IS, is hard to understand. The election is less than one month away, so if his brilliant plan is to blitz the state with information, then he is too late.

He had until Jan. 6th for Inds to become Reps so they could vote for him. He CANNOT win with the Republican/Fox News base. He had to go after the Inds. In my state it is too late. He won't get the Republicans to vote for him. The HATE him.

So, tell me again, how this genius plan is going to work?

He could have had another ten million dollars this month from supporters if he had done well in Iowa and NH. Now, he will be lucky to top one million. Trevor is stealing any chance Ron has of getting a bunch of money from a money bomb. His stupid plan of getting folks to donate ten bucks each will get the credit card folks rich, but that is about all. The moron who everyone thinks is a God around here doesn't even know what a transaction cost is.

Once again, Trevor is splitting the grassroots into two groups and neither can do well without the other. Good thing we spent half a million dollars on a hot air balloon. That seemed to do wonders.

While the other campaigns were actually campaigning, we were sitting here with our thumbs up our bums.

If you want Ron Paul to have a prayer, you have one shot. Every single Ron Paul supporter must go out and campaign. That means knocking on doors, handing out slim jims, calling people one on one. Doing some real frackin' work.

I bet if I ask right now, not ten people will agree to do the above. Don't believe me?

Ok, who will be going out today and campaigning for Ron Paul?

You need to check out the exit polls. Some absolutely disgusting number of people didn't even know who they were voting for until "that day" or a week beforehand. We need the stupid " duh, follow the bright light" votes as much as we do anything else. Imagine if the entire GOP had been ragging on him intensely like they did just before NH, the entire election! Nobody would like us. In this way, Romney and Huckabee ruin their credentials beating each other up, exposing each others dirt, then even if they decide to beat up on Ron, people will be uninterested in listening to their slander because they have been hearing it for the past 2 months from them.

It seems like a viable plan to me, and apparently Guliani does too.

 

[LionHeart87]

The reason they reject volunteers is because they don't know you and if they make you an official member of their campaign and it turns out you're a neo-nazi it makes them look bad. Just look at what happened with Ron Paul and those White Supremacists.

As for the "Secret Plan".....I'm wondering.....are politically campaigns allowed to buy Super Bowl airtime?

 

[Cyclone]

Cyclone and Jason, I appreciate your views on the subject, although I would really appreciate keeping it more constructive, instead of boohoos.

Momentum doesn't mean crap, unless you are a regular run of the mill candidate that doesn't have anything to sell other than everyone else's ideas. If this gossip is true, it would both introduce millions to Ron Paul and the message right before the election (keeping spirits and emotions high about his principles) and it would make him look like a diamond in the rough for the people who are sick of seeing Romney, McCain and Huckabee duke it out. This is like every story you've ever read, teetering on the edge of defeat a hero comes to save the day.

He has used this strategy many times in his congressional elections, and it worked in that environment. (It also looks like Rudy's plan)

Lets face it, going by how the voters in NH went, RP really wasn't going to win there anyway. But the "hero" strategy seems far more likely to work. It's risky, but he has to be. And at the very least he will get to spread his message, generate buzz, and excite people to the movement on a very large scale.

Well, this is NOT a congressional election with the whole world getting their cues from the evening news. He has clearly written off my Super Tuesday state, so where and when is this big push coming? He wrote off NY a long time ago when he refused to even tell his constituents about the deadline for voting for him. He lost thousands of his own supporters with that little move.

What message is he spreading? If it is going to be like Iowa he will talk about being pro-life, being a staunch Christian and that is about it. Nothing like turning off all the libertarian minded supporters who have had your back for decades.

Someone called HQ the other day and they said, yeah, maybe we ought to have some ads for Michigan. What do they think, they can turn people with one 30 second commercial because that is about the only time they have left?

I am very angry because we have all worked our fingers to the bone and he has surrounded himself with a bunch of kids playing "presidential election." This man had the army and the message and never once hired anyone who knew what the hell they were doing.

I would love to be wrong. But if he comes nearly dead last in NH, what chance do you think he has anywhere else? Forget Fla and CA and NY, they are the three most socialist states in the union. He is ignoring AZ - a very conservative state. He got Goldwater's endorsement, Goldwater was a God in AZ and he never bothered to tell anyone there. So where do you think he is going to make this big push?

 

[ambiguousscion]

Keep up the negativity

Keep up the negativity guys, it's really helping the cause!

 

[rdenner]

I agree. I never said JUST blitzing at the last minute will win.

It will take on the ground boots to win. I am saying, GOING ALL IN, IN NH, IOWA is a stupid move for someone like Ron Paul.

Even Michigan and SC are bad bets. His best move was to hold until we get closer to Super Tuesday and hope the message spreads through the grassroots.

How much more could he possibly do to circumvent the MSM? Without the "wink wink" of the MSM, most people won't consider him in the final analysis.

SO WHAT TO DO? Well you hope that you win through attrition. Let the front runners kill each other and spend themselves into oblivion and try to drag this past Super Tuesday.

THIS WILL NOT BE OVER on Super Tuesday. ONLY half the country will have voted by super tuesday and a little over half the delegates will be chosen.

The message is spreading and unfoutunately for all of us. IT CAN'T BE FORCED... Time will tell if it will spread quick enough to make a difference.

I AGREE wholeheartedly about missing deadlines on registration. It's spilled milk. It takes a long time to put together a national campaign from NOTHING.

I consider that the real national campaign didn't start until the end of November. By then there was so much missed opporitunity. I don't blame the Ron Paul HQ completely.

They were over their head. And having rabid supporters calling 24/7(hundreds and hundreds of them) begging to help you DOESN'T HELP!! How can you use volunteers when you have no idea where to put them. There was no infrastructure in place to use them.

I am guessing you'll see organized phone banks going up very soon in Super Tuesday states and a move to squelch the "grassroots" efforts in these states. I agree with that strategy as THIS IS HOW YOU PLAY THE GAME.

I bet in the next week or two there will be plenty for volunteers to do in targeted Super Tuesday states. Those that aren't targeted, You're on your own.

The goal is to push this past Super Tuesday as this is the only road to a Ron Paul victory.

Robert

 

[rdenner]

And to the statement HE CAME IN DEAD LAST IN NH. Is just being completely negative.

He was 3 1/2% out of third place. So get some perspective. I know you're pissed but just quiting is not an option.

We have to fight this all the way to the end. Even if the Ron Paul HQ is completely ignorant the message isn't. And every single day he's out there being taken serious and turning people on, is another day closer to his ideas becoming mainstream

Robert

 

[Cyclone]

See, not one person has offered to help out Ron Paul by actually campaigning. You folks can't blame this all on the campaign. No one on here is willing to do any WORK.

Next week or two? You do realize that Super Tuesday is about 3 weeks away. Why not just wait until four weeks from now. That would really take the pressure off.

How many calls do you think you can make in one week? 100? 1000? How on earth are you going to call 3.5 million people per state in one week? Do you have any sense of the space time continuum?

The message is NOT spreading. I can't find anyone who has ever heard of the man. Oh, a few think he is a rock band, but that is about it. The message has to be spread and that means WORK.

Again, not ten people on here are willing to say they will work for Ron Paul's election. Not even you Robert. Oh, you are willing to attack, but not once have you said you are willing to WORK. I know this because I have worked my tail off sometimes spending 14 hours on this board looking for 14 volunteers to spend 15 minutes to send out an email message.

So, STFU, get off the board and go out and campaign for Ron Paul, or give up and go away.

Again, I dare ten people to say they are going to go out and campaign for Ron Paul today. That means making calls, or going door to door and spreading materials.

 

[Berri]

First of all lose is spelled with one O.

Second, I live in a Super Tuesday state. I said so above. What part of NO ONE HERE KNOWS WHO THE HELL HE IS, is hard to understand. The election is less than one month away, so if his brilliant plan is to blitz the state with information, then he is too late.

He had until Jan. 6th for Inds to become Reps so they could vote for him. He CANNOT win with the Republican/Fox News base. He had to go after the Inds. In my state it is too late. He won't get the Republicans to vote for him. The HATE him.

So, tell me again, how this genius plan is going to work?

He could have had another ten million dollars this month from supporters if he had done well in Iowa and NH. Now, he will be lucky to top one million. Trevor is stealing any chance Ron has of getting a bunch of money from a money bomb. His stupid plan of getting folks to donate ten bucks each will get the credit card folks rich, but that is about all. The moron who everyone thinks is a God around here doesn't even know what a transaction cost is.

Once again, Trevor is splitting the grassroots into two groups and neither can do well without the other. Good thing we spent half a million dollars on a hot air balloon. That seemed to do wonders.

While the other campaigns were actually campaigning, we were sitting here with our thumbs up our bums.

If you want Ron Paul to have a prayer, you have one shot. Every single Ron Paul supporter must go out and campaign. That means knocking on doors, handing out slim jims, calling people one on one. Doing some real frackin' work.

I bet if I ask right now, not ten people will agree to do the above. Don't believe me?

Ok, who will be going out today and campaigning for Ron Paul?

Sorry disagree with a fair bit of what you are saying, not all.
1. The momentum RP was building was unbelievable considering there was a media blackout and smear campaign against him
2. The supporters managed to get around the blackout by arranging record fund raising days for ron paul which forced the media to report on him.
3. 100,000 volunteers, what other candidate could ever say they had that many volunteers
4. Supporters were always everywhere, even Rudy can vouch for that, online, on the streets, at speeches, everywhere.

So WTF went wrong?
1. The campaign staff has been the most abysmal display of management i have ever seen in my life. I too was ignoring it until Bydlarick tried to derail the tea party money bomb by saying the campaign needs the funds immediately back at the end of Nov (now we hear that they were just saving up the cash for some super secret plan in Feb sometime)
2. As soon as diebold got involved things started going all over the place, broke Mccain became the Lazarus come back kid, then so did Hillary, Pauls votes not counted then when people complained they were immediately found.
3. Iowa, NH makes it look like Paul has minor support and the diebold scam has done its trick "Don't waste your vote"
So what do you think we should do.
1. The campaign staff are either totally out of thier realm and have no idea or have sold out
2. Unless vote fraud is exposed and dealt with there is no where for this campaign to go.

Fuck the campaigns super dooper secret plans, the campaign staff have failed thousands upon thousands of supporters, just thier ads proved this. the campaign staff failed, diebold are trying to end him for good.

So what do we do now? over to you!

 

[MN Patriot]

Here's to hoping that you're right!
I remember Bill Clinton Lost the first 6 races or something like that.
It certainly isn't over.

But Clinton had the CFR establishment and MSM behind him.

 

[NinjaPirate]

See, not one person has offered to help out Ron Paul by actually campaigning. You folks can't blame this all on the campaign. No one on here is willing to do any WORK.

Next week or two? You do realize that Super Tuesday is about 3 weeks away. Why not just wait until four weeks from now. That would really take the pressure off.

How many calls do you think you can make in one week? 100? 1000? How on earth are you going to call 3.5 million people per state in one week? Do you have any sense of the space time continuum?

The message is NOT spreading. I can't find anyone who has ever heard of the man. Oh, a few think he is a rock band, but that is about it. The message has to be spread and that means WORK.

Again, not ten people on here are willing to say they will work for Ron Paul's election. Not even you Robert. Oh, you are willing to attack, but not once have you said you are willing to WORK. I know this because I have worked my tail off sometimes spending 14 hours on this board looking for 14 volunteers to spend 15 minutes to send out an email message.

So, STFU, get off the board and go out and campaign for Ron Paul, or give up and go away.

Again, I dare ten people to say they are going to go out and campaign for Ron Paul today. That means making calls, or going door to door and spreading materials.

I'm going to hang up signs around town @ 9:00pm tonight.

 

[NinjaPirate]

Sorry disagree with a fair bit of what you are saying, not all.
1. The momentum RP was building was unbelievable considering there was a media blackout and smear campaign against him
2. The supporters managed to get around the blackout by arranging record fund raising days for ron paul which forced the media to report on him.
3. 100,000 volunteers, what other candidate could ever say they had that many volunteers
4. Supporters were always everywhere, even Rudy can vouch for that, online, on the streets, at speeches, everywhere.

So WTF went wrong?
1. The campaign staff has been the most abysmal display of management i have ever seen in my life. I too was ignoring it until Bydlarick tried to derail the tea party money bomb by saying the campaign needs the funds immediately back at the end of Nov (now we hear that they were just saving up the cash for some super secret plan in Feb sometime)
2. As soon as diebold got involved things started going all over the place, broke Mccain became the Lazarus come back kid, then so did Hillary, Pauls votes not counted then when people complained they were immediately found.
3. Iowa, NH makes it look like Paul has minor support and the diebold scam has done its trick "Don't waste your vote"
So what do you think we should do.
1. The campaign staff are either totally out of thier realm and have no idea or have sold out
2. Unless vote fraud is exposed and dealt with there is no where for this campaign to go.

Fuck the campaigns super dooper secret plans, the campaign staff have failed thousands upon thousands of supporters, just thier ads proved this. the campaign staff failed, diebold are trying to end him for good.

So what do we do now? over to you!

Stop bitchin' and moanin', and playing arm chair general, and get back to spreading the word.

 

[Berri]

Stop bitchin' and moanin', and playing arm chair general, and get back to spreading the word.

Is the campaign going to demand a recount? if not tell me WTF is the use anymore?

 

[CelestialRender]

This may be "a" secret strategy, but it's definitely not "the" secret strategy. "The" implies singular...

Don't lose hope; there are factors none of us are considering. Just do the best you can, and we'll see where we end up.

 

[CelestialRender]

Is the campaign going to demand a recount? if not tell me WTF is the use anymore?

The other 2319 delegates? Losing hope at this point is ridiculous.

 

[jason43]

And to the statement HE CAME IN DEAD LAST IN NH. Is just being completely negative.

He was 3 1/2% out of third place. So get some perspective. I know you're pissed but just quiting is not an option.

We have to fight this all the way to the end. Even if the Ron Paul HQ is completely ignorant the message isn't. And every single day he's out there being taken serious and turning people on, is another day closer to his ideas becoming mainstream

Robert

My point is this.

Where is he today??? Who knows, but I bet all the other candidates are out campaigning somewhere. My ass out campaigning might win a couple votes... but the CAMPAIGN HAS TO CAMPAIGN EVERY FREAKING DAY IN ORDER TO WIN.

I'm not trying to be all negative. Maybe I have too much emotion invested in this thing (if thats possible)... I am a true believer and its hard to watch this chance slip away with the campaign doing nothing.

Look at New Hampshire, RP had 50 campaign appearances in NH between Jan 2007 and now.

Giuliani had 87 and he wasn't even actively campaigning there!!!
Mitt Romney had 146
The Huckster had 83 and wasn't campaigning to win there.
McCain had 103

Look here, its the same for Iowa.

Campaign 10% get 10%, thats how it works.

That is a big part of why we came in 5th. every other campaign had twice the campaign events than we did.

Our supporters were there. Moved there, tried the best they could, but unless they get some support and direction, its all for NOTHING.

My point is that they need to pull their heads out of their asses and campaign to WIN or we won't have a chance.

 

[Berri]

The other 2319 delegates? Losing hope at this point is ridiculous.

Well then, shouldn't we give them hope by ensuring that all votes are counted and that we are keeping a very close eye on the people counting. That the fraudsters that come up with an excuse of human error by discarding 100% of Ron Pauls votes in a single county is a bullshit excuse and obviously fraud, if it happened in one county you can bet there were many more. Look if we don't can this vote fraud it's over already, this is now the challenge the grassroots must deal with. If votes are not counted then what is the use of voting?