Ron Paul should speak out against his more rabid supporters

[jon_perez]

I saw this comment over at sparklit.com among other similar ones.

"Only Ron Paul allows his supporters to speak hate and racism in his name. Ron Paul is the only candidate with a visible and vocal anti-Semitic group of supporters who have posted dozens of hate-filled comments here that were deleted.

It's absolutely pathetic that Ron Paul does not demand that his supporters stop speaking that hatred or tell them to get out of his camp. Ron Paul is apparently a spineless weakling when it comes to controlling his own mob. He's absolutely unfit to be President."

I think it's about time that Ron Paul makes a firm and categorical stand against his more rabid fringe supporters. Alex Jones is a conspiracy extremist but that does not mean everything he says is junk so I can understand why Ron Paul would take the time to speak on his show and most likely it is because Jones touches on certain issues not adequately covered by the MSM which Ron Paul happens to identify with.

However, I think if there are areas where he does not agree with Alex Jones (and people like him), it is high time he made these views known today. If he does not believe in the views of people who frequent stormfront.org for example, it is high time he makes this clear.

So far, we have every reason to believe that Ron Paul is a bright and honest person who does not believe in pretending to be for anything other than what he truly believes in. So Mr. Paul, when people start getting the impression that some of your supporters are anti-Semites / racists / white supermacists, we know that you are ready with an honorable and non-evasive answer to such concerns.

 

[Bob Cochran]

Wellllll...let's take a deep breath.

Ron Paul cannot control people. There are going to be people who like Ron Paul who are also nuts.

Anyone who takes a look at Ron Paul's record and message will see that he is not like these people.

 

[X_805]

Anyone who takes a look at Ron Paul's record and message will see that he is not like these people.

Most people won't take a really good look though.

 

[Bob Cochran]

Most people won't take a really good look though.

Ya think? It appears from the blogs and forums that many, many people ARE taking a good, close look. The kooks who make some flippant, uninformed remark about Ron Paul get shouted down.

 

[beermotor]

so we have to educate them...

 

[theblatanttruth]

People are just trying to dig and find ANYTHING to go against Ron Paul since they have nothing of substance to use. There are supporters like that for every candidate - to assume one could control what their supporters say is stupid.

 

[cujothekitten]

Lets put things in perspective here. If you look at the base of any candidate you will find many nuts, racists, and vitriol.

Tancredo has blatant racists that hate Mexicans
Rudy has people that are ok with killing every Muslim on the planet
Hillary has socialists that are against white, male, business owners
Gore and Edwards have extreme environmentalists that are ok with destroying property

Everyone has their bad seeds, Ron Paul is no different. It makes me angry (one of my best friends is Jewish) but I realize this is a reality for every major candidate.

 

[ronpaulitician]

Ron Paul on racism

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals. Racists believe that all individual who share superficial physical characteristics are alike; as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their intense focus on race is inherently racist, because it views individuals only as members of racial groups.

Conservatives and libertarians should fight back and challenge the myth that collectivist liberals care more about racism. Modern liberalism, however well intentioned, is a byproduct of the same collectivist thinking that characterizes racism. The continued insistence on group thinking only inflames racial tensions.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity. In a free market, businesses that discriminate lose customers, goodwill, and valuable employees – while rational businesses flourish by choosing the most qualified employees and selling to all willing buyers. More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct what is essentially a sin of the heart, we should understand that reducing racism requires a shift from group thinking to an emphasis on individualism.​

 

[AgentSmith]

Thats whack man. What the hell does stormfront have to do with Alex Jones and Ron Paul? Absolutely nothing! You want ron paul to highlight his differences with alex jones, and then address stormfront? You need to relax, thats insane.

 

[mdh]

I would say that this isn't a matter of speaking out against any given supporters so much as it is a matter of him needing to just come out loudly and say "I am not a racist, and I have/want nothing to do with racism."
We keep seeing this same BS, idiots calling Dr. Paul a racist, etc, so if he just says something general like that, it'll put all of this silliness to rest without giving it too much face time.
We should also criticize those who make claims like "Oh, there WERE these posts, but I deleted them." This kind of unsubstantiated libel is simply unacceptable.

 

[idrake]

ronpaulitician - Thanks for that link. I'll add it to my favorites. Well written by RP and profound. I don't think it leaves any room for doubt or spin.

 

[specsaregood]

Some of them are here in this forum.

I agree, I wish Ron Paul would make a youtube vid where he explicitly points out his thoughts and feelings on racism and that he finds it unacceptable.

 

[Seth M.]

I saw this comment over at sparklit.com among other similar ones.

"Only Ron Paul allows his supporters to speak hate and racism in his name. Ron Paul is the only candidate with a visible and vocal anti-Semitic group of supporters who have posted dozens of hate-filled comments here that were deleted.

It's absolutely pathetic that Ron Paul does not demand that his supporters stop speaking that hatred or tell them to get out of his camp. Ron Paul is apparently a spineless weakling when it comes to controlling his own mob. He's absolutely unfit to be President."

I think it's about time that Ron Paul makes a firm and categorical stand against his more rabid fringe supporters. Alex Jones is a conspiracy extremist but that does not mean everything he says is junk so I can understand why Ron Paul would take the time to speak on his show and most likely it is because Jones touches on certain issues not adequately covered by the MSM which Ron Paul happens to identify with.

However, I think if there are areas where he does not agree with Alex Jones (and people like him), it is high time he made these views known today. If he does not believe in the views of people who frequent stormfront.org for example, it is high time he makes this clear.

So far, we have every reason to believe that Ron Paul is a bright and honest person who does not believe in pretending to be for anything other than what he truly believes in. So Mr. Paul, when people start getting the impression that some of your supporters are anti-Semites / racists / white supermacists, we know that you are ready with an honorable and non-evasive answer to such concerns.

You sir have lost your way. YOU NEVER ATTEMPT TO DIVIDE YOUR SUPPORTERS. That would be suicide and anyone with leadership qualities knows that. You lead by example haven't you listened to Dr. Paul? Your ridiculous request is just a statement (goes nowhere) and your divisive intention is noted.

 

[jon_perez]

You sir have lost your way. YOU NEVER ATTEMPT TO DIVIDE YOUR SUPPORTERS. That would be suicide and anyone with leadership qualities knows that. You lead by example haven't you listened to Dr. Paul? Your request is just a statement (goes nowhere) and intention is noted.

I don't know how you see Ron Paul as, but I do not seem him as being about gaining power (e.g. more supporters) for its own sake. I see him as someone who:

1. has a set of principles he believes in
2. is interested in finding out if there are people who share this belief
3. wants to represent these people (if there are enough of them)

So this is why we are interested in his articulating his principles in a less abstract and theoretical way. I have so far never seen Ron Paul answer a question in an evasive way, so I think if some people have concerns that about how he feels about the views of that portion of his supporters who belong to fringe and unsavory groups, then I believe that as before he will not have an answer that leaves us in doubt as to what he believes in.

Although after doing some research on stuff, I don't find myself agreeing 100% with all of Paul's views, quite often when I see Ron get thrown a difficult question, he often wows me with a very original, intelligent, though-provoking and enlightening answer. (like when Bill Maher asked his views about the Civil War and he justified his belief about why it should not have been fought...)

That is Ron Paul I know, he is honest to the core which is why he has no fears about answering controversial questions or make his true feelings on any relevant subject known. He is not running in order to win the presidency or to gain power, but because he believes in representing those people who happen to share his principles and he only believes in becoming president if there are enough such people, otherwise the end is not justified at all. It's not about imposing his beliefs on others, but in finding enough people who share those beliefs and if there are so, to make that count in what is supposed to be a democracy.

And this is why I think he will make an honest, transparent stand on whatever relevant issue or question that he is asked about.

 

[Seth M.]

im pretty sure he already addressed this issue or one similar. (spammers) he will not "stand" up and divide his support. He doesn't control us nor does he want to.

 

[winston84]

Its apparent that you are folding under the criticism that RP has got from some of his detractors. That is all they could talk about, because they cannot make any substantial arguments against him. As another poster has stated, every candidate has there own amount of unstable supporters which happen to include Zionists and other racists from groups such as Mecha and La Raza, why don't these candidates call these guys out?

I agree that we have to educate some of these nuts about how they campaign for Ron Paul. I welcome all American citizens in their support of Ron Paul, as long as you not mix messages that are counter-productive. How you happen to think or behave in the privacy of your own home is none of my business or Ron Paul's. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

 

[Karmus]

I saw this comment over at sparklit.com among other similar ones.

"Only Ron Paul allows his supporters to speak hate and racism in his name. Ron Paul is the only candidate with a visible and vocal anti-Semitic group of supporters who have posted dozens of hate-filled comments here that were deleted.

It's absolutely pathetic that Ron Paul does not demand that his supporters stop speaking that hatred or tell them to get out of his camp. Ron Paul is apparently a spineless weakling when it comes to controlling his own mob. He's absolutely unfit to be President."

I think it's about time that Ron Paul makes a firm and categorical stand against his more rabid fringe supporters. Alex Jones is a conspiracy extremist but that does not mean everything he says is junk so I can understand why Ron Paul would take the time to speak on his show and most likely it is because Jones touches on certain issues not adequately covered by the MSM which Ron Paul happens to identify with.

However, I think if there are areas where he does not agree with Alex Jones (and people like him), it is high time he made these views known today. If he does not believe in the views of people who frequent stormfront.org for example, it is high time he makes this clear.

So far, we have every reason to believe that Ron Paul is a bright and honest person who does not believe in pretending to be for anything other than what he truly believes in. So Mr. Paul, when people start getting the impression that some of your supporters are anti-Semites / racists / white supermacists, we know that you are ready with an honorable and non-evasive answer to such concerns.

I really do hate this cop out, it really really irritates me. Just because many supporters of Ron Paul, who are fans of small government spending, especially when it comes to foreign policy, believe that the amount of foreign aide/money that is given to Israel, approx 61 BILLION over the past years, is unnecessary and should be stopped because they are a very capable and independent country. This is not to say we don't recognize them as a country or want them as an ally, but we have enough trouble keeping our books in balance, and one sure fire way to curtail our spending, is stop dumping money in countries that certainly don't need it. Rather than give them money, lets increase our trade with them. It helps both parties then. This view DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE ANTI-SEMETIC it just means you have a frugal foreign spending policy.

 

[jon_perez]

Its apparent that you are folding under the criticism that RP has got from some of his detractors.

Is it 'folding' or is it acknowledging that people who might otherwise have a positive view of Ron have a mistaken impression of him?

It is not that Paul needs to apologize for his views: Dr. Paul has never shirked away from expounding a controversial view because he understands and can explain the principles that form the basis for any such views that he holds. It is that Paul's campaign might be helped greatly if he spoke out more forcefully and with more clarity about beliefs that he already holds. Beliefs that he has nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed about.

If people are being misled into thinking that he is a racist or anti-Semite, then doesn't it only help Paul if he reiterates his belief in liberty and how full liberty is for all Americans, no matter what ethnic grouping they belong to?

Liberty is, after all, an idea that Ron Paul is able to so eloquently instill in anyone who listens to him. So, can anything be more unequivocal and not open to doubt than if Ron Paul expresses his belief in its universal applicability?

 

[burnice]

I'm offended by these types of posts. Ron Paul supporters are going to come in all shapes and sizes - including the Alex Jones types. Get freaking over it already.