Ron Paul should challenge Gingrich to Lincoln-Douglas Debate

[Tod]

Yeah I agree. Newt needs to be exposed for his anti-conservative past. A debate with Ron isn't going to do that. Ron seems uncomfortable on the attack.

That's a very valid point.

 

[Tod]

Well, *I* think that it's a good idea, especially so if Newt were to refuse it. Mr. Blowhard would have some explaining to do...After all he's willing to debate Huntsman, who is pulling a whopping 2% in Iowa, I believe. Were Mr. Blowhard to accept, Ron could run rings around him in the TRUTH department as well as the CONSISTENT RECORD department, as someone stated.

As AquaBudda pointed out, RP isn't much for pointing out failings in other candidates and as a result, Noot would probably not suffer the hit that he should/could otherwise.

 

[Tyler_Durden]

Don't play Newts game. Let him come to Paul for the debate if he wants it.

Newt wont challenge him. That's part of the reason I believe in this strategy. Why would he challenge Huntsman, but not Paul?

 

[turbobrain9]

Not a good idea. Ron could get crushed by Newt. He would be out matched..Ron is just not as sharp. No Go!

 

[Tyler_Durden]

As AquaBudda pointed out, RP isn't much for pointing out failings in other candidates and as a result, Noot would probably not suffer the hit that he should/could otherwise.

I was talking to a neighbor the other day about the GOP. He asked me "Is Ron Paul running again?" This man is an eduated engineer. I talk to friends and the only thing they know about Dr. Paul are the bits and pieces that the MSM spits out. Dr. Paul is systematically Blacked Out and Marginalized. There are millions of potential voters who don't know what he is really about. We are forced to Google and Youtube to learn about OUR Candidate.

Dr. Paul must do what it takes to gain attention from the MSM. Since Newt is being forced down everyone's throat by the MSM, Dr. Paul should do whatever it takes to get some of that MSM attention. When the Paul Campaign released the "Serial Hypocrisy" video, the MSM spread it around like fire. I believe that helped spread the viewing of that video and contributed to the 500k views within 48hrs.

Dr. Paul must appeal and must be presented to the MASSES. Dr. Paul needs Cain supporters and needs to win in Iowa and New Hampshire. I believe the Lincoln-Douglas Debat challenge could help with both.......

 

[Tyler_Durden]

Not a good idea. Ron could get crushed by Newt. He would be out matched..Ron is just not as sharp. No Go!

Dr. Paul handled the coming-out-of-the-gate Paul-Gingrich exchange at the CNN debate well. I think he was off-target with the Timothy McVeigh example, but he came back and countered with the Police State and loss of Liberties example. He held his ground and received Good Press in the days after.......

 

[Hoax]

Tyler D,

Getting in a debate with Gingrich, who has peaked and is on his way down, will not reach who you're talking about. There have been a metric ton of debates this time around. If those people don't know that Ron is running, they simply haven't been paying attention. The focus is Iowa and New Hampshire. Forget about the national spotlight, it'll come when Ron wins Iowa. The best use of time for Ron right now is Iowa and New Hampshire.

 

[Ashhhhh]

Gingrich would crush Ron. That wouldn't be good for the campaign.

 

[anewvoice]

Newt is the only other one being considered "smart". Ron Paul can handle Newt without issue in a one on one session, good practice for the general and would lay to rest who the smartest and wisest in the race is. Plus, Newt would say no which would make him look scared.

 

[Forty Twice]

Yesterday I made a comment favoring this debate. I believe Ron has the issues so far on his side that he should be able to win. And I think he would win the entire
debate. But now I fear there might be a 20-second exchange that the MSM could twist out of proportion to be very damaging. I don't trust the MSM. We need to be
very careful with them.

 

[braane]

Gingrich would crush Ron. That wouldn't be good for the campaign.

Uhhh.... Only if you are for more war, more spending, and more government.

 

[turbobrain9]

Dr. Paul handled the coming-out-of-the-gate Paul-Gingrich exchange at the CNN debate well. I think he was off-target with the Timothy McVeigh example, but he came back and countered with the Police State and loss of Liberties example. He held his ground and received Good Press in the days after.......

I disagree. While Newt took those comments out of context...he still was able to adequately rebuff Paul's comments. furthermore, Ron still didn't do a good job on the Huckabee forum answering the 9-11 question posed by the blonde.

What would President Paul do to prevent another 9-11 attack? The underlying assumption is that after 9-11, the Federal Government must prevent future attacks...so how do you prevent attacks. Ron really didn't answer that question effectively. While we all know that changing our foregin policy would be a preventative measure...Ron doesn't really have specifics. Newt can give specifics and that is why he is viewed as more knowledgable and experienced than Ron...only if Ron spoke like Newt, the primary would be over.

Not trying to be negative but realistic. The last thing the campaign needs is a one-on-one debate with Newt and that would solidify Newt as the anti-Romney quickly...but to hope to an undisciplined and under-funded Newt campaign is unable to organize in IA and NH...without giving Newt anymore credability. COntinue the attacks, that's about it.

And btw, the newt ad was well done and the media was eating it up and while not always showing it, the media does continue to repeat the substance of the ad in their chats on tv...feeding the media ammo to attack Romney and Gingrich is good, let the media take them out for us....

But Ron struggles with older, white, hardcore gop primary voters and his FP answers are not parsed well enough to win them over....I don't think he can win large primary states without them...

 

[wgadget]

Uhhh.... Only if you are for more war, more spending, and more government.

Not to mention less freedom, less integrity, and less chance of beating Obama.

The debate could take place after Iowa or New Hampshire. No rush.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

I disagree. While Newt took those comments out of context...he still was able to adequately rebuff Paul's comments. furthermore, Ron still didn't do a good job on the Huckabee forum answering the 9-11 question posed by the blonde.

What would President Paul do to prevent another 9-11 attack? The underlying assumption is that after 9-11, the Federal Government must prevent future attacks...so how do you prevent attacks. Ron really didn't answer that question effectively. While we all know that changing our foregin policy would be a preventative measure...Ron doesn't really have specifics. Newt can give specifics and that is why he is viewed as more knowledgable and experienced than Ron...only if Ron spoke like Newt, the primary would be over.

Not trying to be negative but realistic. The last thing the campaign needs is a one-on-one debate with Newt and that would solidify Newt as the anti-Romney quickly...but to hope to an undisciplined and under-funded Newt campaign is unable to organize in IA and NH...without giving Newt anymore credability. COntinue the attacks, that's about it.

You can't answer a question that doesn't have a realistic answer.

Just about the only thing you can do is to stop motivating them to attack.

 

[bbartlog]

It's stupid to take someone on in their strongest suit like this. You guys have sometimes have too much faith in Paul. Yes, he's the best choice for President, understands economics through and through, has an inerrant moral compass, etcetera. I love the guy. That doesn't translate into him being able to mop the floor with Gingrich in a debate. It's extraordinarily difficult to deal with someone who can lie easily and convincingly like he does. Attack ads and grassroots efforts at educating people about Gingrich are probably a better way - it's an endless mine of dirt and egomania. Use that instead.

 

[JohnGalt23g]

Uhhh.... Only if you are for more war, more spending, and more government.

Sadly, you just described a majority of the GOP.

 

[JohnGalt23g]

Newt wont challenge him. That's part of the reason I believe in this strategy. Why would he challenge Huntsman, but not Paul?

If Paul takes Iowa, he'll have no choice but to come to Ron.

 

[turbobrain9]

I think this thread should be locked and moved. let's not give anyone any ideas

 

[wgadget]

You can't answer a question that doesn't have a realistic answer.

Just about the only thing you can do is to stop motivating them to attack.

Yes, and with newt being the pro-Patriot act guy, he has a much easier time, as he represents the status quo. But the country is at risk, and it may be worth it to have Paul attempt to challenge the status quo for the country's sake.

There is also the pomposity factor in Gingrich, which not surprisingly matches his neocon policy stances. Many would root for our humble guy based on this factor alone. There would be publicity no doubt.


America stands at a dangerous crossroads--when we are saber rattling with Iran and the Euro is about to implode, causing god knows what kind of damage. I think Ron recognizes the danger we're in, while Newt is in it fir Newt.

 

[Paulitics 2011]

This debate could go very well, if the answers were untimed, and Gingrich didn't interrupt him. During the debates, Ron's answers seemed rushed, since he rambles on, trying to fit a complex explanation into a debate rather than use soundbytes, but he could really finish his explanations in a debate and drill Newt on every issue.

Plus, if he was a little bit aggressive during the debate, he could point out that Grinch is basically a liberal.

If he's willing to put an attack ad out, but not say it to Newt's face, then I lose a bit of respect for him...

Well, *I* think that it's a good idea, especially so if Newt were to refuse it. Mr. Blowhard would have some explaining to do...After all he's willing to debate Huntsman, who is pulling a whopping 2% in Iowa, I believe. Were Mr. Blowhard to accept, Ron could run rings around him in the TRUTH department as well as the CONSISTENT RECORD department, as someone stated.

If Ron was willing to go on the offensive, this debate could go very well.

As AquaBudda pointed out, RP isn't much for pointing out failings in other candidates and as a result, Noot would probably not suffer the hit that he should/could otherwise.

Though, he did run an attack ad on Gingrich, so this might be an exception.

Don't play Newts game. Let him come to Paul for the debate if he wants it.

Yeah, it's risky, but imagine the response if Ron beat Newt at his own game.

The debate could take place after Iowa or New Hampshire. No rush.

This too.

Please email this thread to the campaign, if you support the idea.
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/contact-us/

(And the OP posted a bunch of links as well for specific people.)