"Ron Paul Secretly Won the Caucuses" by David Weigel (Slate)

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They all laughed at Ron Paul. They all laughed when he took a stage in Minnesota, having come in a solid second place, and reminded the faithful of a "little thing called delegates!"

They were serious about it. Paul's people believe that they understand the delegate process, and that the media does not. There is truth here: The delegate process is confusing, and I assume that Paul supporters have used their four years of organizing and studying in a fruitful manner. In an e-mail to supporters, they try to get granular about what's occuring.


We are confident in gaining a much larger share of delegates than even our impressive showing yesterday indicates. As an example of our campaign’s delegate strength, take a look at what has occurred in Colorado:

- In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.

- In a precinct in Delta County the vote was 22 for Santorum, 12 for Romney, 8 for Paul, 7 for Gingrich. There were 5 delegate slots, and ALL 5 went to Ron Paul.

- In a Pueblo County precinct, the vote was 16 for Santorum, 11 for Romney, 3 for Gingrich and 2 for Paul. There were 2 delegate slots filled, and both were filled by Ron Paul supporters.

- We are also seeing the same trends in Minnesota, Nevada, and Iowa, and in Missouri as well.​


For this to stick, Paul's activists have to show up at the next votes -- small affairs, not much media, happening in March -- and control the delegate process. Then they have to show up at conventions and repeat it. This is actually doable.
 
I fail to see how it's secret, but whatever. That is why a 'real' campaign needs a ground game.

I understand Santorum is just now trying to put one into place for upcoming states, but he sure hasn't had one up to this point.
 
I don't quite understand how the other campaigns aren't intelligent or capable enough to accomplish the same when it is no secret that this is the objective in the whole process.
 
I know this is awesome news...but I keep hearing fellow pessimistic RP supporters (I recently converted) tell me that if RP ends up doing this and winning a brokered convention, they will try to penalize States that vote for Paul, based on some made-up rules, and strip his delegates. I'm not convinced...but I can't put it past the RNC..
 
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2...ef=sm_fb_like_blogpost&fb_source=home_oneline

They all laughed at Ron Paul. They all laughed when he took a stage in Minnesota, having come in a solid second place, and reminded the faithful of a "little thing called delegates!"

They were serious about it. Paul's people believe that they understand the delegate process, and that the media does not. There is truth here: The delegate process is confusing, and I assume that Paul supporters have used their four years of organizing and studying in a fruitful manner. In an e-mail to supporters, they try to get granular about what's occuring.


We are confident in gaining a much larger share of delegates than even our impressive showing yesterday indicates. As an example of our campaign’s delegate strength, take a look at what has occurred in Colorado:

- In one precinct in Larimer County, the straw poll vote was 23 for Santorum, 13 for Paul, 5 for Romney, 2 for Gingrich. There were 13 delegate slots, and Ron Paul got ALL 13.

- In a precinct in Delta County the vote was 22 for Santorum, 12 for Romney, 8 for Paul, 7 for Gingrich. There were 5 delegate slots, and ALL 5 went to Ron Paul.

- In a Pueblo County precinct, the vote was 16 for Santorum, 11 for Romney, 3 for Gingrich and 2 for Paul. There were 2 delegate slots filled, and both were filled by Ron Paul supporters.

- We are also seeing the same trends in Minnesota, Nevada, and Iowa, and in Missouri as well.​


For this to stick, Paul's activists have to show up at the next votes -- small affairs, not much media, happening in March -- and control the delegate process. Then they have to show up at conventions and repeat it. This is actually doable.

YEA!!!!!!!!!! We are working towards a realistic and reachable goal! We have to hang in there and keep fighting the good fight! :D
 
I know this is awesome news...but I keep hearing fellow pessimistic RP supporters (I recently converted) tell me that if RP ends up doing this and winning a brokered convention, they will try to penalize States that vote for Paul, based on some made-up rules, and strip his delegates. I'm not convinced...but I can't put it past the RNC..

If you remember what they did with our delegates in the last election (and I know you do), you'd see why...


It's BEST if our delegates just lay low as possible.
 
the other campaigns do not expect a brokered convention. actual delegates have not mattered since 1976. this year they will.
 
We need to inform people of what lies ahead for precinct delegates. I know when I went to the next level in Texas they had a nominating committee for who they were going to send to the state convention. A lot of people didn't know they took application before the county convention. So if your were new and unorganized you will get locked out so that insiders can go. The Paul delegates need to organize and push through their own slate.
 
It's not really secret... but it might as well be. The understanding of most people I talk to seems to be that the president is chosen simply by direct popular vote. :eek: Surprisingly, many still think this even after 2000 when Gore won the popular vote but Bush got the delegates and won. To put it mildly, the American public is vastly uninformed. They are largely clueless as to the inner mechanics of how their own political process actually functions, so it's no wonder they are even more clueless when it comes to their lives and their children's lives being sold down the river, their currency being destroyed before their very eyes, and the blatant, unmistakable preparation for a major war, possibly World War III.
 
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It's not really secret... but it might as well be. The understanding of most people I talk to seems to be that the president is chosen simply by direct popular vote. :eek: Surprisingly, many still think this even after 2000 when Gore won the popular vote but Bush got the delegates and won. To put it mildly, the American public is vastly uninformed. They are largely clueless as to the inner mechanics of how their own political process actually functions, so it's no wonder they are even more clueless when it comes to their lives and their children's lives being sold down the river, their currency being destroyed before their very eyes, and the blatant, unmistakable preparation for a major war, possibly World War III.

Of course you are right about the average Americans understanding. The thing that surprises me is that the campaigns for the other candidates aren't on top of this game.
 
I don't quite understand how the other campaigns aren't intelligent or capable enough to accomplish the same when it is no secret that this is the objective in the whole process.

This is not the ONLY objective. Momentum matters. Media coverage matters. If you win all these states but nobody knows it then the people in the subsequent states who like to vote for winners as if they were at the horse track, these worthless morons will not vote for you.

So it is important to win the straw polls, because that is all the slimedia is capable of covering.

The other answer is right too. The other campaigns couldnt duplicate this no matter how much they want to because no one is excited about them. Because they are not that great. Same reason ther is no radio station devoted to any of them.
 
Of course you are right about the average Americans understanding. The thing that surprises me is that the campaigns for the other candidates aren't on top of this game.

Yes, that is odd. I imagine, as some others have suggested, that the RNC will try to pull something at the convention, or prior to the convention they will rewrite the rules in some way. There are not oblivious to what's happening, even if the public and most of the media are.
 
I was elected as a delegate last night in MN. We took all the spots. I'm hoping that there is organization for planning for county conventions because I do not know what to expect beyond this point. I'd like some info on what happened to the delegates in 2008, too, if someone doesn't mind.
 
I know this is awesome news...but I keep hearing fellow pessimistic RP supporters (I recently converted) tell me that if RP ends up doing this and winning a brokered convention, they will try to penalize States that vote for Paul, based on some made-up rules, and strip his delegates. I'm not convinced...but I can't put it past the RNC..

That would be RNC Suicide. RP would 3rd party them into the gutter with that sort of treatment on a national stage.
 
they have moved from a place at the convention, to Rand on the ticket, to Ron on the ticket
 
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