Ron Paul Roundup (1-12-08)

So, do you think Ron Paul needs to come clean?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 32.1%
  • No

    Votes: 42 53.8%
  • I still don't know what to think

    Votes: 11 14.1%

  • Total voters
    78

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Ron Paul Roundup (1-12-08)
by RS Davis



Hello Freedomphiles! I want to talk more about those newsletters today. There are some other stories that I could post, but I am going to leave those until Monday because I have some things to get off my chest.

I've been going back and forth about these in my head. From my years of following Ron Paul, the things said in these newsletters definitely seem out of character with what Paul says. So, I don't believe he wrote them.

But the story doesn't stop there, because whether he wrote them or not, they appeared - over the course of several years - in various newsletters bearing his name. I reported before that he has taken responsibility for them, but new things have come to light, thanks to the fine folks at Reason magazine.

This is the most damning evidence, in my opinion, because it shows that Ron Paul hasn't always said he didn't write them. What's more, it shows that he actually defended them. Reason's Matt Welch gives the chronology:

  • The first time I can find reporting on the controversy is in the May 22, 1996 Dallas Morning News:

    Dr. Ron Paul, a Republican congressional candidate from Texas, wrote in his political newsletter in 1992 that 95 percent of the black men in Washington, D.C., are "semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

    He also wrote that black teenagers can be "unbelievably fleet of foot." [...]

    Dr. Paul, who is running in Texas' 14th Congressional District, defended his writings in an interview Tuesday. He said they were being taken out of context.

    "It's typical political demagoguery," he said. "If people are interested in my character ... come and talk to my neighbors." [...]

    According to a Dallas Morning News review of documents circulating among Texas Democrats, Dr. Paul wrote in a 1992 issue of the Ron Paul Political Report: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet of foot they can be."

    Dr. Paul, who served in Congress in the late 1970s and early 1980s, said Tuesday that he has produced the newsletter since 1985 and distributes it to an estimated 7,000 to 8,000 subscribers. A phone call to the newsletter's toll-free number was answered by his campaign staff. [...]

    Dr. Paul denied suggestions that he was a racist and said he was not evoking stereotypes when he wrote the columns. He said they should be read and quoted in their entirety to avoid misrepresentation. [...]

    "If someone challenges your character and takes the interpretation of the NAACP as proof of a man's character, what kind of a world do you live in?" Dr. Paul asked.

    In the interview, he did not deny he made the statement about the swiftness of black men.

    "If you try to catch someone that has stolen a purse from you, there is no chance to catch them," Dr. Paul said.

    He also said the comment about black men in the nation's capital was made while writing about a 1992 study produced by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives, a criminal justice think tank based in Virginia.

    Citing statistics from the study, Dr. Paul then concluded in his column: "Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

    "These aren't my figures," Dr. Paul said Tuesday. "That is the assumption you can gather from" the report.

    May 23, 1996, Houston Chronicle:

    Paul, a Republican obstetrician from Surfside, said Wednesday he opposes racism and that his written commentaries about blacks came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time." [...]

    Paul also wrote that although "we are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational.

    Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."

    A campaign spokesman for Paul said statements about the fear of black males mirror pronouncements by black leaders such as the Rev. Jesse Jackson, who has decried the spread of urban crime.

    Paul continues to write the newsletter for an undisclosed number of subscribers, the spokesman said.

    Writing in the same 1992 edition, Paul expressed the popular idea that government should lower the age at which accused juvenile criminals can be prosecuted as adults.

    He added, "We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males age 13 who have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."

    Paul also asserted that "complex embezzling" is conducted exclusively by non-blacks.

    "What else do we need to know about the political establishment than that it refuses to discuss the crimes that terrify Americans on grounds that doing so is racist? Why isn't that true of complex embezzling, which is 100 percent white and Asian?" he wrote.

    May 23, 1996, Austin American-Statesman:

    "Dr. Paul is being quoted out of context," [Paul spokesman Michael] Sullivan said. "It's like picking up War and Peace and reading the fourth paragraph on Page 481 and thinking you can understand what's going on." [...]

    Also in 1992, Paul wrote, "Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions."

    Sullivan said Paul does not consider people who disagree with him to be sensible. And most blacks, Sullivan said, do not share Paul's views. The issue is political philosophy, not race, Sullivan said.

    "Polls show that only about 5 percent of people with dark-colored skin support the free market, a laissez faire economy, an end to welfare and to affirmative action," Sullivan said. [...]

    "You have to understand what he is writing. Democrats in Texas are trying to stir things up by using half-quotes to impugn his character," Sullivan said. "His writings are intellectual. He assumes people will do their own research, get their own statistics, think for themselves and make informed judgments."

    May 26, 1996 Washington Post:

    Paul, an obstetrician from Surfside, Tex., denied he is a racist and charged Austin lawyer Charles "Lefty" Morris, his Democratic opponent, with taking his 1992 writings out of context.

    "Instead of talking about the issues, our opponent has chosen to lie and try to deceive the people of the 14th District," said Paul spokesman Michael Sullivan, who added that the excerpts were written during the Los Angeles riots when "Jesse Jackson was making the same comments."

    "Ron knows our society and our nation has done some horrible things to the black community, which has pushed a majority of young black men in some areas, in Washington, D.C., for example, into criminal activities," Sullivan said.

    July 25, 1996, Houston Chronicle:

    Democratic congressional candidate Lefty Morris on Wednesday produced a newsletter in which his Republican opponent, Ron Paul, called the late Barbara Jordan a "fraud" and an "empress without clothes." [...]

    Paul said he was expressing his "clear philosophical difference" with Jordan. [...]

    Paul, a Surfside physician and former congressman, said he was contrasting Jordan's political views with his own.

    "The causes she so strongly advocated were for more and more government, more and more regulations and more and more taxes," Paul said.

    "My cause has been almost exactly the opposite, and I believe her positions to have been fundamentally wrong," the Republican said. ""I've fought for less and less intrusive government, fewer regulations and lower taxes."

    Paul said Morris was trying to "reduce the campaign to name-calling and race-baiting" so as to avoid more relevant issues, such as economic growth, taxes and spending, crime and welfare reform.

    July 25, 1996, Dallas Morning News:

    Dr. Paul, who faces Mr. Morris in the 14th District race for the U.S. House, dismissed the criticism as "name-calling and race-baiting." [...]

    In a written statement, Dr. Paul said, "Repeated attempts by my liberal opponent to reduce the campaign to name-calling and race-baiting is just more of the same old garbage we expect from his camp and will not deter me from continuing to address the real issues."

    Dr. Paul said his opinions about Ms. Jordan, who died earlier this year, "represented our clear philosophical difference."

    July 29, 1996, Roll Call:

    In a statement, Paul said he had "labored to conduct a campaign based upon the issues that are vital to our nation" and charged Morris with "repeated attempts...to reduce the campaign to name calling and race-baiting."

    He called Morris's request that he release all back issues of the newsletter "not only impractical, but...equivalent to asking him to provide documents for every lawsuit he has been involved in during his lengthy legal career."

    Of his statements about Jordan, Paul said that "such opinions represented our clear philosophical difference. The causes she so strongly advocated were for more government, more and more regulations, and more and more taxes. My cause has been almost exactly the opposite, and I believe her positions to have been fundamentally wrong: I've fought for less and less intrusive government, fewer regulations, and lower taxes."

    Aug. 13, 1996, Houston Chronicle:

    He once called former President Bush a bum and he's taken aim at Sen. Phil Gramm of Texas, California Gov. Pete Wilson, House Speaker Newt Gingrich of Georgia, and, yes, GOP vice-presidential candidate Jack Kemp.

    Over the course of 1992 and 1993, the GOP nominee in the 14th Congressional District has called Kemp a "malicious jerk," and a "welfare statist" who had secretly increased the nation's public housing budget while serving as secretary of Housing and Urban Development. He also charged in one newsletter that Kemp had "made a pass at a female reporter young enough to be his daughter."

    Sept. 26, 1996, Austin American-Statesman:

    "Fortunately, several types of accounts are tough for the IRS to investigate," Paul wrote. "For instance, it's still legal to open a bank account without revealing your Social Security number."

    He also offered to help readers get a foreign passport.

    "Peru recently announced that it will sell its citizenship to foreigners for $25,000," Paul wrote. "... People concerned about survival are naturally interested in a second citizenship and passport. If you're interested, drop me a note and include your telephone number, and I'll get you some interesting information." [...]

    Paul, a Surfside obstetrician, former member of Congress and 1988 Libertarian Party nominee for president, said Morris quotes material out of context. Paul also said his advice was appropriate at the time it was published.

    Sept. 30, 1996, San Antonio Express-News:

    Paul, a Surfside obstetrician, former congressman and the 1988 Libertarian presidential candidate, counterclaimed that Morris is name-calling to avoid discussing the issues like taxes and abortion.

    Repeated requests by telephone and by fax to interview Paul for this article were denied.

    Paul's spokesman Michael Quinn Sullivan said the candidate does not want to "rehash" old issues. [...]

    Paul has said he opposes racism and accused Morris of reducing the campaign to "name-calling and race-baiting."

    Oct. 11, 1996, Houston Chronicle:

    Paul, who earlier this week said he still wrote the newsletter for subscribers, was unavailable for comment Thursday. But his spokesman, Michael Quinn Sullivan, accused Morris of "gutter-level politics."

    Sullivan said it was "silly" to try to make a political issue of something written in an "abstract" sense. [...]

    In his April 15, 1992, newsletter, Paul wrote about a person who had a beef with the IRS and "fired bombs through mortars" one night at an IRS building in California. Some federal property was damaged, but no one was injured, and the defendant was sentenced to 20 years in prison.

    "Unfortunately (the defendant's) war against the IRS was not nearly as successful as Harry's War," wrote Paul, who wants to abolish the federal tax-collection agency. "Harry's War" was a movie about a fictional individual's battle against the IRS.

    Sullivan said Morris "would rather sling mud at Ron Paul than talk about the issues or discuss how his own campaign is being almost completely financed by two liberal special interest groups: the trial lawyers and big labor."

    Oct. 11, 1996, Austin American-Statesman:

    Paul's aide, Eric Rittberg, said -- as a Jew -- he was "outraged and insulted by the senseless, anti-Semitic statements Mr. Morris is making."

    "Lefty is taking statements out of context," Sullivan said. "When you are not looking at things in context, you can make anyone look horrible."

So, some of that is pretty bad, with Paul outright defending the positions in those papers, but we come again to the 2001 article in Texas Monthly (thanks Welch for finding it online!), which was years after this brouhaha:

  • What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U.S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.

    When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, "I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady." Paul says that item ended up there because "we wanted to do something on affirmative action, and it ended up in the newsletter and became personalized. I never personalize anything."

    His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: "They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them ... I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they [campaign aides] said that's too confusing. 'It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it.'" It is a measure of his stubbornness, determination, and ultimately his contrarian nature that, until this surprising volte-face in our interview, he had never shared this secret. It seems, in retrospect, that it would have been far, far easier to have told the truth at the time.

Yes, it would have. I am trying to put myself in Dr Paul's place, here. If someone went back and found a bunch of racist stuff in The Freedom Files that I didn't write (I write every word, by the way), would I defend them?

I can't imagine doing so. When faced with the option of either admitting they weren't my words or defending racist statements, I'd have to admit they weren't my words.

So what variable could be added that would make me choose the defending route. Well, there is first the fact that they were written by people he knew, who worked with him, were presumably his friends. Perhaps he wanted to defend them?

But if my friends were writing racist things in The Freedom Files, would I want to defend them or have them as my friends? Assuming that I had left it all to them and had not been paying attention, when I found out later of their content, I would feel that I had been betrayed - and severely.

After all, wasn't it Ron Paul who said, "I have shortcomings, but the message has no shortcomings." If the message in 1996 was that black people are all criminals, I have to wonder - did the message have shortcomings then?

So, why would he protect the writer? He has never betrayed in his actions or words that he harbors a secret bigotry. The answer, perhaps, lies in not the what, the why, or the how, but the who.

As The Economist wrote:

  • Mr Paul is probably not himself a racist, and many of the sentiments he expresses in his CNN interview are admirable. It is equally plausible that the hateful items published in his newsletter, so different in style from the congressman's own speech and writing, are not his handiwork. But his protestations of ignorance, both about what was being disseminated on his behalf and who was responsible, are much harder to credit.

The theory that libertarian insiders seem to believe is that it was Lew Rockwell who wrote those pieces. I don't know if that is true or not, but that would be as heartbreaking for me as if Paul had written them himself - if only for the damage it would do to the reputation of Austrian economics and the decidedly non-racist Ludwig von Mises. Lew denies the allegation:

  • When I asked him who was in charge of the editing and publishing of the newsletters, Rockwell got cryptic. "The person who was in charge is now long gone ... He left in unfortunate circumstances." Ultimately, however, Rockwell says his role was "just to bring the money in."

Yeah, everyone was involved, but no one was responsible. I tend to believe it is Lew Rockwell. Lew does a lot for Ron Paul - publishing an account every time the doctor even farts on the House floor. He has been his most ardent and steadfast supporter over the years.

To turn his back on Lew would be to lose a lot of support. But if Lew really did write those, Dr Paul should have done it years ago.

The hardest thing to believe in all of this is that Ron Paul had no idea. It was a very small operation, manned by friends and associates. And no one noticed or told Ron Paul when someone wrote horrible stuff like this? None of them were offended when they read it? What kind of people does Ron Paul hang out with? Are they all so different from him?

Wikman Netizen has a theory about this:

  • Paleolibertarianism 1.0 was a last gasp effort to try class hatred after the miserable showing of Ron Paul's 1988 presidential effort.

    I believe that Rothbard and Rockwell were very, very wrong in pushing this agenda. They had historical excuses, sure. But they placed too much emphasis on their experience with Taft Republicanism, a movement that long ago died, and probably cannot be revived. And they thought, incredibly, that heaping abuse onto black welfare-and-drug addicts and hippie weirdos would somehow translate into state hatred. Fat chance.

    I think Rockwell has repented to some degree. Surely Mises.org and the Mises Institute have done some good work, especially bringing old books back into print.

So, I don't know why this happened or who knew when, but it certainly obvious to me that they must've known more than they are letting on, and they must have at least been complicit in their silence. They certainly are complicit in their silence on it today. As my hero Radley Balko says:

  • Whether he was active or passive in the newsletters doesn't matter. Paul perpetuated that way of thinking for more than a decade in a newsletter he published. He did it during the 1980s and 1990s, the very period over which the drug laws exacerbated the white-black disparity in America's prisons. He can't now use the "blacks are treated poorly by our criminal justice system" defense to distance himself from those very newsletters.

    Perhaps it's too much for us to expect Paul to turn over the names of the paleo types who wrote those screeds (if it's true that he had no hand in writing him himself—which I'm having a harder and harder time believing), to apologize that they ever went out under his name, and to disavow and repudiate the beliefs of the paleolibertarian supporters who have propped him up for most of his career, some of whom he still calls friends.


It's the truth. Ron Paul needs to be honest about this. He needs to say exactly what happened, how much he knew, and what he did about it when he found out. If it was "Paleo-Libertarianism 1.0," own up, take responsibility, and apologize. I would be willing to forgive if repentance is true. Neither he nor Rockwell seem to be pushing this kind of agenda anymore, either way.

I posted a poll over at RonPaulForums.com, where this blog is reprinted, asking what Ron Paul supporters thought of the issue. Here are the results:

  • View Poll Results: What do you think about the racist comments?

    Ron wrote them and is lying 0 0%

    Ron knew about them but did nothing 3 6.00%

    Ron had no idea and should have paid closer attention 39 78.00%

    I don't even know WHAT to think 8 16.00%

I hate to say it, but I think the 3 who said he knew and did nothing may have been right. I still plan on voting for Ron Paul, but my examination of this issue has led me to believe, as Freedomphile Area Penguin so eruditely put it, "The fact that he equivocated so, and claimed he didn't know who wrote them leads me to believe he was more aware than he let on, and that he "sold out" to keep the channel of support and funds open. In other words, he's way more like a politician than I thought he was."

Indeed, Penguin. Indeed.

This process has also made me realize a few things about myself and The Freedom Files. For one, I will always know what is being put in here, and will never let someone push their own offensive agenda in my name.

Second, I am done with pushing candidates. My strength has always been in the areas of policy, economics, and civil liberties. That's where I need to stay - pushing freedom, not politicians. Once this election season is over, I am hanging up my campaigning hat.

As Sheldon Richmon of The Foundation for Economic Education says:

  • Let's face it, politics is a superficial activity in which (most) candidates try to create a mood by pushing buttons expected to stimulate positive responses in significant constituencies. If one button doesn't have the intended effect, you push another and keep pushing until you have assembled a winning coalition. That's all you need to know about electoral politics. It explains the staged events, the self-serving declarations about the passion to "serve," and the hubristic claims to the mantle of leadership.


Have a good weekend, Freedomphiles, and I'll see you on Monday with a fresh Roundup.


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Even after that guy said a million times, it was taken out of context, you're still saying he knew, he knew. Ok, maybe Lew Rockwell did write those things and maybe Dr. Paul knew somewhat about it...they were still taken out of context.

This campaign is different than every campaign you've ever been involved with, and you know it. You're just frustrated that Ron Paul isn't as perfect as you thought he was. Well guess what, he's human. And a damn good one. Maybe you should ignore your brain for once and check your gut...is it saying to you, Ron Paul is a racist? I know what it says to me.
 
it sucks

he should have owned up to those writings the minute there was a problem (not saying he wrote them, but come on - do you think that with such an extensive family and long-time supporting friends NO ONE brought it up to him?).... gimme a break!
i love RS - he does a great job of being fair with the facts. i thought that is what we all wanted! no deceit and the ideal of honesty.....

even though i think what RP let happened sux, constitutionally he still embodies what i feel and,

i still plan on voting RP.

nice work on this bulletin RS - it is true that no man is perfect.

still a heartbreaker,
nettie
 
I'm with you RS. This is a huge letdown for me as well. It seems as if Paul's achilles heel is allowing his followers to push their agenda with his name. Not sure if he'll be able to push past this one. I can't see a clean break.

Oh and thanks for the great bulletin. I'll keep following as long as there is traction.
 
You knew about the newsletters but it's not until it makes a big media splash that it bothers you? How can you say "probably didn't write it"? There are questions that come up from this but the question of if he wrote it is such a non starter.

The MESSAGE is the message of the constitution. Not the message of racism. I find it insulting that you try and mix the two seperate things. Racism can be described as a personal failing. So is loyalty to friends that don't deserve it (this, is obviously Dr. Paul's biggest failing. Which should give pause all the people that keep telling others to trust that Ron Paul has a great reason for keeping his campaign staff even though they don't seem to be doing all that well in the eyes of many supporters here). Your religion is also another thing that should not matter.

With the constitution dictating your political decicions, personal beliefs don't matter anyway. That means even if Dr. Paul WAS a racist he can still follow the message. Racists like the message because it preserves their freedom of speech and even the more abhorrent of beliefs still deserve to be brought into the light of day. As is said here many times your not supporting the man but the message which is nothing more or less then the constitution and Ron Paul is the ONLY man that has the kind of track record that you can be sure will support it. That's why your supporting him. It takes flawed men to make a perfect constitution and it takes flawed men to support it. Don't confuse what you think of a man personally for how well you think he can do his job. It is impossible to push freedom without making sure the polititions will help you.


PS. What I would really like to know is why he would want to have racist things on his newsletter if he knew about it when he knows how that sort of thing could hurt him. Try answering that. In his many years in the public eye you cannot even catch the slightest whiff of improper behavior but somehow his instincts fail him on his newsletter? No. It makes no sense. He couldn't have known. To understand how he couldn't have known or how his friends or family could not have known is the question that really needs to be answered with more detail.
 
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If there was one single thing to ruin RP's campaign, the racism bit is it. On Friday, tuning into a couple radio stations for a brief moment during the day, I heard Ron Paul racist remarks in the morning, and once again in the evening on a completely different show.

Pardon the profanity but this is fucking killing me.

Honestly, I don't believe RP is a racist, but even if he was, I couldn't give a shit. It's constitutional to be a racist. It's constitutional to be a satanist. It's constitutional to stare lustfully at farm animals.

The sad thing is that if this shit does ruin RP, any future attempts at following a candidate that supports a true constitutional form of conservative government will be coined as "followers of that racist Ron Paul."

Absolutely killing me. I pray it doesn't get to the point where I have to remove my bumper stickers.

Sorry to be a downer, this just breaks my heart. Does anyone see a way for RP to get out of this?
 
Collective Rights = Racism, Individual Rights = Anti-Racism

Dear RS,

I appreciate your efforts to give everyone an update every day on how the campaign is coming along and I applaud your efforts to bring this issue of Dr. Paul's alleged racism to a head. Today's work is especially worthwhile since it has brought out further information that has not yet been disclosed.

I have posted several comments on this issue both on your Daily Roundup and in other places on the forum. Anyone who wishes to look into these can do so. They will see the development of my own thought on this subject which has helped me to better understand the message of freedom.

It is my hope that we can come to an understanding of the truth in all of this and therefore how we can respond to the smears and allegations of racism in Dr. Paul's newsletters.

I have read at least one article, on the LA Riots, and have read several excerpts, not just quotes, from other articles. I accept Dr. Paul's assertion that he wrote some of the material and that others wrote the balance of it. Everything I have read I would categorize as anti-racist not racist and consistent with Dr. Paul's message of unalienable individual rights to be protected by the government under the Constitution as opposed to Group or Civil Rights granted by the goverment.

Dr. Paul is categorically opposed to collectivism which at its root is racism. It is the essential nature of the ideology. It is designed to divide society into controllable segments and to engender resentment amongst them, by granting privileges to one segment or another at the expense of other segments, in order to facilitate their control by the ruling elite. The present mindsphere of much of Western society is conditioned by this ideology. Even those who see themselves as "libertarian", embracing the principles of unalienable individual rights, have grown up and been educated in schools and universities that are impregnated with the collectivist ideology and presuppositions and so they themselves have been mentally and emotionally conditioned to accept them as true.

This is why so many of the supporters of Dr. Paul, like you yourself RS, are disoriented by the current attacks on him, believing as they do that the articles quoted are indeed "racist" and in so believing they justify his enemies who are in fact the true racists. They then find it difficult to mount a strong defence against them, because they find themselves half believing the allegations and hoping that there is some reasonable explanation for them.

It has probably not yet occurred to Dr. Paul himself that these attacks are in fact "projections" of the mental condition of his attackers, because this mindsphere is alien to him. He was educated in a time before this ideology had taken root in American society. He has a strong Christian faith and an intellectual foundation in true libertarian economics and philosophy. Yes, these attacks are "hit pieces" designed to destroy him, and the quotes used are distorted to conform to the prejudice of the attacker, but the truth is that these writers also believe what they are saying. Their minds have been thoroughly possessed by the collectivist racist ideology. It is indeed they who are the racists and many of the newsletter articles quoted by them as damaging to Dr. Paul are in fact articulate expositions of this truth, that it is the collectivists who are the true racists. The articles in Dr. Paul's newsletters are anti-racist, they are not simply not racist but anti-racist, dealing as they do with the malign effects of government welfare programmes and affirmative action. They are all perfectly consistent with Dr. Paul's philosophy and they should also be understood as such by his supporters. This will entail for some a very painful awakening to their own condition. But it will be worth the effort because they will begin then to taste the true meaning of freedom.

Collective Rights = Racism, Individual Rights = Anti-Racism

Now for the good news. If we can obtain copies of these articles with sound provenance then we can use them to win over the Christian evangelical community because they will agree with everything said in them. True Christians are just as opposed to collectivism and affirmative action as Dr. Paul. Remember Ronald Reagan's opposition to Communism? These attacks may turn out to be the best news for the campaign we have yet had.
 
A normal politician would have sold his friend to the wolves in a heartbeat.
 
You knew about the newsletters but it's not until it makes a big media splash that it bothers you?


It was really learning that he defended the comments at one point, and that they were written over the course of a decade that did it for me.

- R
 
Many of the above comments were taken out of context. They were WRITTEN and refuted later in the aricle. I see several of those comments in the above. I can say "ALL Paul supporters are KOOKS. But I do not believe that"..
Then you can quote me that I said All Paul supporters are kooks. Sheesh
 
That's not fair. Ron Paul made it clear that it was the campaign's choice. Not his own. He got bad advice. Obviously, you think Ron Paul should not have listened but it's much easier to say that when you don't have a dozen highly (or whatever number) placed people all telling you to do the opposite. Again, this shows that he can have bad judgment in the people he listens to in regards to politics.

Tucker said that he's so hands off that he couldn't even tell his staff to turn on the heat or not. He probably wanted to disavow everything but was unsure about it. This area appears to have much more gray to him rather then relying on the constitution. He's got a totally different personality then you and was in a far different situation. He probably have felt severe guilt as well for what happened... I don't know everything but your going a bit far with your statements of disillusionment.

It also said in the articles that he made a pass at a reporter half his age. He doesn't even let himself be alone the same room with a woman without another person unless it's his wife or family. There is some biased reading in here.

You also didn't retract your slur that somehow Ron Paul's message may include racism. He wants to do away with the death penalty because it is applied overly much to blacks. He voted for a bill that would celebrate MLK. He has his failings but when it comes to the constitution he is absolutely unwavering because it's the ground that is most solid under his feet. Politics has NOTHING to do with how he votes or how wants to runs things as president. Racism and "the message" are two seperate things and I would like you to acknowledge it.
 
I dont give a rats butt either way. Its obvious by his writing that we KNOW he has written that he doesnt have a racist way of thinking.
 
Imagine the power of someone who has been given the position (by our participation) and power that you have... to turn away from the campaign. If this is your version of freedom of speech, then take my response as mine. You have crossed over by spinning such a negative poll. "come clean implies he is dirty, only dirty and wholly dirty."
maybe you are the other ghost author they are talking about... how far back to you go with Lew?
 
I believe a full, through , detailed explanation of this entire episode by Dr. Paul himself is the only way out of it. The people who did write the newsletters should be identified nad thier present relationshiop to the campaign described. Having know Murray Rothbard I suspect he may have had some hand in all this. At that time he was deeply disillusioned with the Libertarian Party and thought there might be some way back through the swamps of racism and homophobia. Rememeber when he was at Columbia University he favored Strom Thurmond in 1948 , who was running on an openly white supremacist platform and campaign. Despite his Jewish birth, Murray was definitely somewhat a racist as far as blacks were concerned anda homophobe.
 
Jerimiah has it right and said it very eloquently. I feel he may have added that the opposition is r-e-a-c-h-i-n-g for any dirt they can spin into a flaw in Ron Paul. Cripes they have to go back that far and continue to use this dis-info because THEY CAN'T FIND ANYTHING ELSE THEY CAN SPIN. They will do anything to smother the voice in the wilderness. Dr. Paul has, I am betting ,served black, hispanic, and other minority patients for free. I doubt a racist would.

Forget about it. Ignore them like they are trying to ignore him. When they can not refute his message they turn to scorn and ridicule, or like this, manipulation of the facts.

Ron Paul's character, ethics, and honesty I am sure are driving them nuts. That is why they have to resort to these tactics.
 
We need an immediate, thorugh, detailed, and complete explanation from Ron Paul himself. Having known Murray Rothbard I feel he may have had a hand in all this. If this is really an attempt bythe Cato nstitute or Reason magazine to get Lew Rockwell, why? What could t possibly accomplish?
 
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This was all about selling newsletters by appealing to a group of nut jobs that would get fired up and spend a lot of money to subscribe it.
 
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This was all about selling newsletters by appealing to a group of nut jobs that would get fired up and spend a lot of money to subscribe it.

Nut jobs? Have you actually read the newsletters yourself? Before you begin to throw ad hominem word bombs at innocent bystanders perhaps you should read my previous post and the article on the LA Riots from which many of the quotes are taken. All you are doing at present is agreeing in your heart with Dr. Paul's enemies. This is precisely the reaction they wanted to create. If we can simply gather the evidence, the newsletter articles themselves, and THINK about what they say in the context of their period and the true freedom philosophy you will realise they are actually Anti-Racist, not simply Not Racist, but Anti-Racist.
 
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