Ron Paul R3volution falls victim to Trump and frustration

[Swordsmyth]

Time to put up or shut up. Show me. If I do it constantly, it should be easy. Otherwise, you mistake opposition to your statism as advocating open borders. Typical statist response - “disagree with me and you must be an anarchist”

Oh, so it's only illegal immigration that you have a problem with... So, we should just make it much, much easier to immigrate legally, then, right? I mean, that'd solve your problem with it.

I'm saying it's pretty damned ironic for someone who purportedly believes in liberty to want to have agents of the government forcibly violate the liberty of people because you think THEY are the ones who don't believe in liberty!

If you really cared about the "vast hordes of people who don't believe in liberty", you wouldn't have to look outside the borders - they are all around you. They are you!

It's a strange distinction to draw between the undesirables born within the government's lines and those born outside them.

Are we able to get these same tests for people born here and export them if they fail?? Perhaps America will finally fix our trade deficit!

Call it what you want... I'd have more than a little problem if the federal government was on my property without my consent whether they called it "quartering" or "patrolling". You still have the same problem with your premise and it is decisively anti-liberty.

But forget all that... The most basic question one has to ask is who you fear more? Are you more concerned about a foreign invasion or transgressions by your own government? That's an easy one for me. I've never been directly harmed by an immigrant, but your government violates the liberty of its citizens regularly all in the name of "security".

I could find more but this is enough, it is really foolish of you to pretend you aren't part of the open borders mafia around here.

 

[Origanalist]

I could find more but this is enough, it is really foolish of you to pretend you aren't part of the open borders mafia around here.

Mafia? Lol. So refute one post of his.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Mafia? Lol. So refute one post of his.

I did, if you want to re-fight old battles follow the quote links, I have better things to do.

 

[CaptUSA]

I could find more but this is enough, it is really foolish of you to pretend you aren't part of the open borders mafia around here.

Sorry, where did I advocate open borders????!! Ha! You proved my point. You posted me shutting down your statism several times.

 

[Origanalist]

I did, if you want to re-fight old battles follow the quote links, I have better things to do.

No you don't. If I did you would sit here for hours responding. Weeks if necessary. And you could be proven wrong a hundred times and you would still keep going.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Sorry, where did I advocate open borders????!! Ha! You proved my point. You posted me shutting down your statism several times.

Originally Posted by CaptUSA

Oh, so it's only illegal immigration that you have a problem with... So, we should just make it much, much easier to immigrate legally, then, right? I mean, that'd solve your problem with it.

Here your solution to the problem was to just let everyone come here so that there would be no "illegal immigration".

Originally Posted by CaptUSA

I'm saying it's pretty damned ironic for someone who purportedly believes in liberty to want to have agents of the government forcibly violate the liberty of people because you think THEY are the ones who don't believe in liberty!

If you really cared about the "vast hordes of people who don't believe in liberty", you wouldn't have to look outside the borders - they are all around you. They are you!

Here you opposed any immigration enforcement and characterized it as "violating the liberty" of the targeted illegals.

Originally Posted by CaptUSA

It's a strange distinction to draw between the undesirables born within the government's lines and those born outside them.

Are we able to get these same tests for people born here and export them if they fail?? Perhaps America will finally fix our trade deficit!

Here you denied the need to limit the number of people who are allowed to come here and claimed that there is no difference between those born in the country and foreigners.

Originally Posted by CaptUSA

Call it what you want... I'd have more than a little problem if the federal government was on my property without my consent whether they called it "quartering" or "patrolling". You still have the same problem with your premise and it is decisively anti-liberty.

But forget all that... The most basic question one has to ask is who you fear more? Are you more concerned about a foreign invasion or transgressions by your own government? That's an easy one for me. I've never been directly harmed by an immigrant, but your government violates the liberty of its citizens regularly all in the name of "security".

Here you sought to prevent the government from patrolling the border which would definitely give anyone and everyone who wanted to the ability to cross it at will, that is the very definition of open borders.


Thanks for playing, occasionally I enjoy totally slaughtering an opponent who is completely out of his league.

 

[Swordsmyth]

No you don't. If I did you would sit here for hours responding. Weeks if necessary. And you could be proven wrong a hundred times and you would still keep going.

 

[dannno]

No you don't. If I did you would sit here for hours responding. Weeks if necessary. And you could be proven wrong a hundred times and you would still keep going.

What's happening is Swordsmyth and others like me are contending that not enforcing immigration leads to a lot more rights violations than the rights violations being violated by enforcing immigration. You and CaptUSA are contending that enforcing immigration laws exists in a vacuum and so it is wrong as it is a rights violation. We are contending that the rights violations that would happen under an open borders, socialist model will lead to rights violations that you are complaining about, compounded at least 100 fold, maybe a million fold.

 

[CCTelander]

And we all know those dirty anarchists are just antifa boys living in their mom's basement.

I know, right?

How can you trust those filthy anarchists anyway? Hell, they refuse to advocate that others be violently dominated in order to provide for "services" that they (the anarchists) deem important. And even worse, they have the temerity, the unmitigated gall to demand that those others afford them the same courtesy! It's downright unnatural.

 

[CaptUSA]

Here your solution to the problem was to just let everyone come here so that there would be no "illegal immigration".


Here you opposed any immigration enforcement and characterized it as "violating the liberty" of the targeted illegals.


Here you denied the need to limit the number of people who are allowed to come here and claimed that there is no difference between those born in the country and foreigners.


Here you sought to prevent the government from patrolling the border which would definitely give anyone and everyone who wanted to the ability to cross it at will, that is the very definition of open borders.


Thanks for playing, occasionally I enjoy totally slaughtering an opponent who is completely out of his league.

Apparently reading comprehension is not for you. Lol.

 

[Origanalist]

What's happening is Swordsmyth and others like me are contending that not enforcing immigration leads to a lot more rights violations than the rights violations being violated by enforcing immigration. You and CaptUSA are contending that enforcing immigration laws exists in a vacuum and so it is wrong as it is a rights violation. We are contending that the rights violations that would happen under an open borders, socialist model will lead to rights violations that you are complaining about, compounded at least 100 fold, maybe a million fold.

Wow, never heard that argument before dannno, thank you!

 

[Origanalist]

Here your solution to the problem was to just let everyone come here so that there would be no "illegal immigration".


Here you opposed any immigration enforcement and characterized it as "violating the liberty" of the targeted illegals.


Here you denied the need to limit the number of people who are allowed to come here and claimed that there is no difference between those born in the country and foreigners.


Here you sought to prevent the government from patrolling the border which would definitely give anyone and everyone who wanted to the ability to cross it at will, that is the very definition of open borders.


Thanks for playing, occasionally I enjoy totally slaughtering an opponent who is completely out of his league.

Ok, thanks for the belly laugh.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Apparently reading comprehension is not for you. Lol.

Apparently you just lie when confronted with your own positions.

 

[Origanalist]

Apparently reading comprehension is not for you. Lol.

He's too busy typing, thinking is for losers.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Ok, thanks for the belly laugh.

Small minds often laugh at things they can't comprehend.

 

[Swordsmyth]

He's too busy typing, thinking is for losers.

Projection.

 

[Origanalist]

Projection.

 

[dannno]

Wow, never heard that argument before dannno, thank you!

So what is your argument against that?

You would prefer the outcome where rights violations increase by 100 or a million fold?

 

[Cleaner44]

 

[Aratus]

Sadly, an accurate write-up....

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/14/ron-paul-revolution-falls-victim-frustration-donal/

Matt is correct. The article suggests that BHO and DJT encouraged a cult of personality around them.
We all know that Bernie and Hillary were basically on the same ideological page, but had two different
approaches to the concept idea of embezzling public funds, he was/is more honest than she is. Period.