Ron Paul puts America's security first!

There is a bit of Chomsky in this and a bit of Fisk so that may turn you off the whole vid. Don't let it! Media manipulation and disinformation should be the focus. Its a long one but please watch the whole thing before you send abusive posts my way. :)

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6604775898578139565


I ended up watching the whole video and have to say it was very educational and one of the best best programs I have seen on this issue. Lengthy but worth a watch to understand subtleties of media terminology and accents and their role in news/propaganda marketing and how they are used to manage public perceptions.

This video should be watched by every American.



It's not that he doesn't care about Israel. It is about taking money from people who may not care about Israel and sending it over to Israel.

I personally object to the government taking my money and doing things with it that I would like to do myself. When I see poor people in other countries, I feel bad for them and would like to help them, but you see, the government already took the money I would send to those people and is sending it to some other people.

It is not right that the government should make up my mind as to where I would like to send my money to help people. If the government does it, do I feel like I did it or does it just make the government feel good because they stole my money and sent it over to that country for me?

I would rather have control over what charity I send my money to.

From what I've seen, the government sends our money to bad people all over the world then sends more to other bad people so they can fight with each other with the weapons they bought from us, using the money we sent to them.

Seems the only people making out there are the people making the weapons and the owners of the companies making the weapons.

It is better to just let those in our country send the money where they think it would be best put to use instead of stealing it from the people and using it to help rich people get richer.

I don't like supporting wars! Do you?

Very convincing libertarian, conservative philosophy arguments.
I agree, I don't like supporting elective wars.
 
Hello? Israel is a valuable ally.

Only by completely ignoring the history of US foreign policy in the Middle East could one say this with a half-straight face.

I'm not a Jew. By belief and faith I'm Christian. But I come from Hebrew blood on my Mothers side. I'll always root for Israel in a stand up fight.

I don’t really understand this mentality. I’m ¼ Jewish and don’t see how it’s relevant.
 
Ron Paul cares about giving Isreal their sovereignty back and letting them call their own shots instead of having them be America's lapdog.
 
He is more concerned about bringing oil prices and interest rates down for people here than security over there.




http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=7519060&nav=4QcSAsW3

Israel would probably have conquered the whole Middle East by now had we stayed out of the way. There was one time when all the surrounding nations attacked them at the same time and Israel ended up taking land and having to give it back. Let's get out of their business and let them defend themselves and not have to put up with these suicide bombers and terrorist attacks.
 
Pastor John Hagee is one of the very elect that has been deceived and is deeply involved in denying that Jesus is the Christ and he is working hand in glove with the zionist to prod our government to Bomb iran.

Wow! I can't believe you actually posted that!:eek:

Grand Master Hickabee is gonna put a root on you!:D:D j/k

You do know that Hagee is Hickabee's "handler" don't you?


Most Christians I talk to are also deceived in believing that "Israel" is
literally a geographically situated tract of land.
Even to the point they are willing to kill others to protect it..........
Must be that "tangible asset", or "materialistic" brainwash of the Zionists...

Are there Christians out there that believe when the time comes, by
being anywhere else but Israel the state, they are going to miss the bus?

It's been ages since I read the Bible, but I was always under the
impression that "Israel" (metaphorically speaking) refered to the
body of "Christ's believers" (followers),
where ever they were located on the planet.

A collective "Christ" consciousness spread throughout the land....


If anyone's waiting for a horney dude with a pitchfork to arrive.......pull up a
chair and get comfortable, it'll be a long wait.........

The "anti-christ", as someone posted, is more "spirit" than anything.
A virus, or cancer on the body of Christ's believers (Israel) (see above)
A "falling away".....a dis-illuisonment, "Faith dilluted"............

When that "virus", that "cancer" afflicts the minds of those in power,
it also infects all that follow............a falling away........


An ironic comparison is when the faithful Patriot is led astray of the
Gospel that is his US Constitution.;)


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Well you know israel has AIPAC and a lot of jewish special interests in this country, including the owners in u.s. media so they will never support Ron.

I don't think we coddle any other country more than we do Israel.

We don't do the same thing to Europe and europeans created this once great country.

Who were the war writers?

Perle and Wolfowitz. Two zionist jews. Wolfowitz also ran the world bank only until recently.

BINGO!

Although, I agree with other posts about not shouting this too loudly.
It's good the majority of us know these things, but like my ole' Grandad says
"if I told everybody, they'd know as much as I do!";)
We can all present our perspective on this, but remember who we represent.

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Why should he care about Israel's security? He's running for president of the US. Don't try to force your personal agenda on other Americans through government mandate.
 
You are partially correct, Iraq war was a result of marriage of different constituents interests, Oil being one of them. Our policy towards Israel is a key component of US Mid East policy and influences every stance we take there including our position on Israel-Palestine issue. Much of terror threat is product of Israeli-Arab issue or relates to it directly, areas under Israeli occupation have been breeding ground of suicide terror for decades.

Which interest groups had been pushing for US invasion of Iran lately? Some self-declared , and short sighted in my view, supporters of Israel supported mistake of Iraq war. These groups, neoconservatives have been behind smearing Ron Paul because RP opposes war policy. This issue is very much part of US foreign policy debate.



Liberty Star, you have a good handle on it..................

If one would suggest, for sake of arguement, that Israel, in essence
controls the US through the Federal Reserve , along with those that set
foreign policy, it seems believeable that any threat to Israel, REGARDLESS
of benefit or detriment to the US, would be dealt with in Israel's favor.

REGARDLESS OF THE BENEFIT OR DETRIMENT to the US.

That's a very bad situation to be in.

Consider that the US is an industrialized nation that depends upon OIL.

Consider that the US dollar is pegged to the price of OIL. (petrodollar)

Consider that Israel depends upon the US "cash machine" (Fed) to
generate the cash flow that not only supports the US military, but by
extension every other industrialized nation that depends on OIL, AND
holds either US currency in reserve, or in DEBT.

Consider that for years past, Iraq was merely an annoying fly in Israel's face,
UNTIL Saddam decide that armed conflict was near futile, and the US/UN
saunctions dictated by US/Israeli foreigh policy were taking their toll.
He attacked Israel by getting "smart" and following the money.
He suddenly became the single largest threat to Israel's existence.
To the US's existence..............the entire industrialized world.
He began, or threatened to begin, selling OIL for EURO.
Suddenly, he was the giant turd in the world's punchbowl.

Israeli response to the greatest threat they've faced in years?

Reach up the puppet's arse and have him removed.

Knowing what was at stake, the US sheepisly grabbed it's ankles.....

Iran threatend the same, as did a few others in the region, calling for
an "Oil Bourse" that could, and would accept a multitude of other currencies.

My guess is all these "Oil Bourse" countries will suddenly develop
"WMD syndrome" and need to be.....er,..."Democrocized" or "Liberated":rolleyes:

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Ron Paul is exactly what the country needs right now - a strong, Nationalist-minded leader. America is falling by the wayside as things get more and more considered an "international" affair. We have our own country to worry about! A reliance on the rest of the world causes us only to suffer.

Americans want their country back! OUR country, not some North American Union's, not the EU's, America for Americans. That's what Ron Paul helps us achieve, and as a nationalist I am proud to support him.
 
Liberty Star, you have a good handle on it..................

If one would suggest, for sake of arguement, that Israel, in essence
controls the US through the Federal Reserve , along with those that set
foreign policy, it seems believeable that any threat to Israel, REGARDLESS
of benefit or detriment to the US, would be dealt with in Israel's favor.

REGARDLESS OF THE BENEFIT OR DETRIMENT to the US.

That's a very bad situation to be in.

Consider that the US is an industrialized nation that depends upon OIL.

Consider that the US dollar is pegged to the price of OIL. (petrodollar)

Consider that Israel depends upon the US "cash machine" (Fed) to
generate the cash flow that not only supports the US military, but by
extension every other industrialized nation that depends on OIL, AND
holds either US currency in reserve, or in DEBT.

Consider that for years past, Iraq was merely an annoying fly in Israel's face,
UNTIL Saddam decide that armed conflict was near futile, and the US/UN
saunctions dictated by US/Israeli foreigh policy were taking their toll.
He attacked Israel by getting "smart" and following the money.
He suddenly became the single largest threat to Israel's existence.
To the US's existence..............the entire industrialized world.
He began, or threatened to begin, selling OIL for EURO.
Suddenly, he was the giant turd in the world's punchbowl.

Israeli response to the greatest threat they've faced in years?

Reach up the puppet's arse and have him removed.

Knowing what was at stake, the US sheepisly grabbed it's ankles.....

Iran threatend the same, as did a few others in the region, calling for
an "Oil Bourse" that could, and would accept a multitude of other currencies.

My guess is all these "Oil Bourse" countries will suddenly develop
"WMD syndrome" and need to be.....er,..."Democrocized" or "Liberated":rolleyes:

.

Hardrock, very interesting post. I don't fully understand Federal Reserve concept but it seems clear that things are not moving in favor of US interests lately. Oil prices are sky high, wealth is leaving US and economy at home is is worsening as dollar takes a plunge. Ron Paul's explanation about collapse of dollar also points to same things.
We should perhaps cut off any aid to Israel/arabs until they change their ways and policies and we change the system so there is no need for perpetual aid to foreign states. Also, Iraq war has not helped US in any way one looks at it. Liberating people through bombs was a stupid idea while supporting dictatorships elsewhere at the same time.



Israel would probably have conquered the whole Middle East by now had we stayed out of the way. There was one time when all the surrounding nations attacked them at the same time and Israel ended up taking land and having to give it back. Let's get out of their business and let them defend themselves and not have to put up with these suicide bombers and terrorist attacks.

They have an impressive military and weapons collection but given their recent war with Lebanon, not sure if they're still as strong as they were thought to be.
I thought they had made a surprise pre-emptive attack on their neighbors when tensions were high back then?
As long as they get our tax dollars or weapons, we'll have to make sure they end occupation over other people and establish fair system for every resident under their governance.
 
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