Ron Paul on the Iran Deal

That goes for every vote if absence of the state is not the goal of what is being voted on.

This is true. Very few bills that end up being introduced end up shrinking the state in any capacity, let alone any significant capacity. This specific treaty does seem to reduce state aggression and could be supported on those grounds without violating libertarian principles, assuming the deal is what it's purported to be.

A 'no' vote has the higher hill to climb when it comes to rationale for such a vote, especially in Rand's case, as he has cultivated an image of incrementalism and realism as his approach to governance.
 
(h/t jon_perez: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...nuclear-deal&p=5923605&viewfull=1#post5923605)

Ron Paul Praises Iran Nuke Deal, Says Critics 'Misinterpreted' It
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/ron-paul-praise-iran-nuclear/2015/07/14/id/657071/
Greg Richter (14 July 2014)

The Iranian nuclear deal is a big step toward world peace, and Republicans would be praising it if one of their own had negotiated it, former Texas Rep. Ron Paul told Newsmax TV's "The Hard Line."

Paul told host Ed Berliner that the deal echoed Ronald Reagan's deal with the Soviets in the 1980s. Paul's biggest problem with the deal was that the United States had to work under the confines of the United Nations and NATO.

"There's something to be said about moving in the direction of at least talking to people instead of saying, 'All right, you're scoundrels, we'll keep our $100 billion we've taken from you and all options are on the table, like if you don't do what we tell you, we're allowed to use our nuclear weapons against you,'" Paul said. "The tone has been changed. It's to our benefit; it's to the benefit of world peace."

[ ... video and full article at link: http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/ron-paul-praise-iran-nuclear/2015/07/14/id/657071/ ...]

Ron starts at 1:45

 
From what I'm reading, it doesn't matter if the Congress does not approve. Obama is going to the United Nations, for approval. The U.S. Congress will then have no say in the matter.

congress has no say?!? The house can offer 0 funding to any UN agreement and the congress, as a whole, can choose to not go along with what the president says. In fact, they can publicly announce the president has no authority to deal with the UN and that alone should limit a president's ability to get the seat at the UN to negotiate. Aside from the US being part of the UN (which is unconstitutional), the president can't circumvent the congress just because he wants to, no matter who he joins with (including the UN). Congress just needs a backbone and, as the most important and powerful of all three branches, needs to tell the president to stand down. Congress needs to represent the people.
 
So why didn't Rand speak up when they passed the Iran Bill in the Senate 98-1 on May 7th? Why didn't the GOP fight for more amendments? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Why did only Tom Cotton have the proper response and only "No" vote?

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/241355-senate-votes-to-approve-Iran-review-bill



When Rand voted for this was he confused about how the Constitution worked? He seemed very knowledgeable about the Constitution when he stood on his feet for 10 hours talking about meta-data.

OK, now what is the right . . . the constitutionalist - thing to do about this Corker bill ?

How would the Supreme Court rule on the Corker bill if it was presented with a cause of action questioning its' constitutionality ?
Senator Cotton objecting that the agreement is not being presented as the enforcement of the NPT (treaty) seems correct -
even to - of all people, Sean Hannity - who played the Constitution card in the recent interview with Rand.

Rand may be in a learning curve with this . . . a challenge could show that at least the Dr. is a fast learner, and truly wants to do the right thing.
 
How would the Supreme Court rule on the Corker bill if it was presented with a cause of action questioning its' constitutionality ?
where in the constitution does the Supreme Court have authority to decide constitutionality? The Supreme Court has recently shown they don't understand the constitution anyway. If people keep running to federal courts for answers it elevates the courts to the most powerful level; the Supreme Court is constitutionally the weakest of the three branches.
 
where in the constitution does the Supreme Court have authority to decide constitutionality? The Supreme Court has recently shown they don't understand the constitution anyway. If people keep running to federal courts for answers it elevates the courts to the most powerful level; the Supreme Court is constitutionally the weakest of the three branches.

I get your point/sarcasm(?) . . .

Officially for the record . . .


Article III

Section 1.

The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress
may from time to time ordain and establish. . . .

Section 2.


The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States,
and treaties made, or which shall be made, . . .

 
(h/t jon_perez: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...nuclear-deal&p=5923605&viewfull=1#post5923605)

Ron Paul Praises Iran Nuke Deal, Says Critics 'Misinterpreted' It
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/ron-paul-praise-iran-nuclear/2015/07/14/id/657071/
Greg Richter (14 July 2014)

The Iranian nuclear deal is a big step toward world peace, and Republicans would be praising it if one of their own had negotiated it, former Texas Rep. Ron Paul told Newsmax TV's "The Hard Line."

Paul told host Ed Berliner that the deal echoed Ronald Reagan's deal with the Soviets in the 1980s. Paul's biggest problem with the deal was that the United States had to work under the confines of the United Nations and NATO.

"There's something to be said about moving in the direction of at least talking to people instead of saying, 'All right, you're scoundrels, we'll keep our $100 billion we've taken from you and all options are on the table, like if you don't do what we tell you, we're allowed to use our nuclear weapons against you,'" Paul said. "The tone has been changed. It's to our benefit; it's to the benefit of world peace."

[ ... video and full article at link: http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/ron-paul-praise-iran-nuclear/2015/07/14/id/657071/ ...]

Ron starts at 1:45



Ron Paul Takes on Neocon: 'We've Got a Schizophrenic Foreign Policy'

By Daniel McAdams
Ron Paul Institute
July 17, 2015

We’re with the Iranians because we are both fighting ISIS but we’re against the Iranians because they are on the side of Assad. That is why RPI Chairman Ron Paul described our foreign policy as “schizophrenic” in a Newsmax debate on the Iran deal.

On the Iran talks, Dr. Paul reminded the viewers that Reagan believed it was important to talk to the Soviets, a regime that had killed far more people than has the Iranians, and to look for ways to reduce weapons proliferation. So why not talk to Iran?

Former CIA operative Fred Fleitz, now head of policy at the neoconservative Center for Security Policy, unsurprisingly disagreed, stating that he has no idea what Ron Paul is talking about. The Iran deal is a “catastrophe” that “could lead to a huge regional war in the Middle East.” He’s all for talking to Iran, he claimed, but only to get a good deal.

When Dr. Paul pointed out that Iran has never been found in violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, Fleitz (mistakenly) blurted out “that’s not true!”

Good fireworks and a great lesson from Dr. Paul on how the military-industrial complex gins up global conflict because it’s good for business. He might have added that the military-industrial complex is also very generous with “analysts” like Fred Fleitz who are paid well to spread lies and foment conflict while posing as experts.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/07/daniel-mcadams/ron-paul-beats-cia-neocon/
 
good for Ron. when the neocons started calling this deal bad, and when Israel jumped in, we should have known it was probably a helluva lot better than current policy.

now let's hope his son follows his lead.
 
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Iran Agreement Boosts Peace, Defeats Neocons

Last week’s successfully concluded Iran agreement is one of the two most important achievements of an otherwise pretty dismal Obama presidency. Along with the ongoing process of normalizing relations with Cuba, this move shows that diplomacy can produce peaceful, positive changes. It also shows that sometimes taking a principled position means facing down overwhelming opposition from all sides and not backing down. The president should be commended for both of these achievements.

The agreement has reduced the chance of a US attack on Iran, which is a great development. But the interventionists will not give up so easily. Already they are organizing media and lobbying efforts to defeat the agreement in Congress. Will they have enough votes to over-ride a presidential veto of their rejection of the deal? It is unlikely, but at this point if the neocons can force the US out of the deal it may not make much difference. Which of our allies, who are now facing the prospect of mutually-beneficial trade with Iran, will be enthusiastic about going back to the days of a trade embargo? Which will support an attack on an Iran that has proven to be an important trading partner and has also proven reasonable in allowing intrusive inspections of its nuclear energy program?

However, what is most important about this agreement is not that US government officials have conducted talks with Iranian government officials. It is that the elimination of sanctions, which are an act of war, will open up opportunities for trade with Iran. Government-to-government relations are one thing, but real diplomacy is people-to-people: business ventures, tourism, and student exchanges.

I was so impressed when travel personality Rick Steves traveled to Iran in 2009 to show that the US media and government demonization of Iranians was a lie, and that travel and human contact can help defeat the warmongers because it humanizes those who are supposed to be dehumanized.

As I write in my new book, Swords into Plowshares:
Our unwise policy with Iran is a perfect example of what the interventionists have given us—60 years of needless conflict and fear for no justifiable reason. This obsession with Iran is bewildering. If the people knew the truth, they would strongly favor a different way to interact with Iran.
Let’s not forget that the Iran crisis started not 31 years ago when the Iran Sanctions Act was signed into law, not 35 years ago when Iranians overthrew the US-installed Shah, but rather 52 years ago when the US CIA overthrew the democratically-elected Iranian leader Mossadegh and put a brutal dictator into power. Our relations with the Iranians are marked by nearly six decades of blowback.

When the Cold War was winding down and the military-industrial complex needed a new enemy to justify enormous military spending, it was decided that Iran should be the latest “threat” to the US. That’s when sanctions really picked up steam. But as we know from our own CIA National Intelligence Estimate of 2007, the stories about Iran building a nuclear weapon were all lies. Though those lies continue to be repeated to this day.

It is unfortunate that Iran was forced to give up some of its sovereignty to allow restrictions on a nuclear energy program that was never found to be in violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty. But if the net result is the end of sanctions and at least a temporary reprieve from the constant neocon demands for attack, there is much to cheer in the agreement. Peace and prosperity arise from friendly relations and trade – and especially when governments get out of the way.
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Bill Clinton on Virtues of North Korean Nuclear Deal - History Repeats Itself

Deja Vu?

 
You know, this sentiment is very prevalent in the Rand Paul supporter thought-sphere.

What is the implication? "Rand can't speak the truth or he'll never get through the primary."

Ok, and then what? It gets EASIER after that? Is that logical?

"Yeah, sure. Once Rand has x amount of power he'll be able to do what he wants." Is that what everyone's thinking? That somehow once you've climbed deep enough into the snake pit you're given free reign?

There is no "until" people. You want to play the game you can't speak the truth EVER. Ever, ever, ever, ever. There is no magic point where Rand gets to stop doing it like this. That's why I get so frustrated with this. It's like everyone who supports him "no matter what" is looking forward to some future PSYCHE! moment. It doesn't work like that, folks.

Do you think Obama would have been elected if he ran on the same messages and actions he's done since he's been president?

Can you name any president that hasn't broken his campaign promises? They all reveal their true colors once in office, our only concern is if Rand's colors are still pure (or if they'll even let him actually enact anything). Him playing the game doesn't tell us anything about those questions.

There is an art to speaking to biased audiences, and the first step is usually to find common ground; Because if your goal is to change minds, then you aren't going to do it until their bias is alleviated and they will actually listen to what you have to say... Otherwise they will just be trying to find reason to confirm their pre-existing bias. Removing that is the first step to getting someone to see it your way.

Thus, to suggest that Rand playing the game means that he will never get the opportunity to tackle bigger issues, that simply doesn't follow. You have to agree before they accept and listen to disagreement.

He fights battles he can win while spoonfeeding the rest, so he can hopefully then actually represent the will of the people in a positive direction. That is how you create real change, not by painting yourself in a corner of unpopular opinion. That doesn't change many minds, it only reinforces their bias.

What matters is that we have no reason to believe that Rand has been bought by the powerful interests yet. That is what would compromise his ideals, not him strategizing how to get a world to accept liberty that doesn't want it yet.

I wish more of you could see that; That you may disagree with the tactics, but that he can still be working towards good.
 
h/t Daniel McAdams: https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/iran-deals-surprising-supporters/
Daniel McAdams said:
Neocons are in a frenzy trying to help Bibi kill the Iran deal. Meanwhile, former senior US military officers and former Iranian political prisoners in the US have come out in favor. Who do you trust? Today in the Liberty Report

Ron Paul Liberty Report said:
Dozens of retired US admirals and generals and a group of former Iranian political prisoners in the US have both come out in support of the Iran agreement recently. How will the neocons write this off? Will they ignore it?

Iran Deal's Surprising Supporters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERihbMEKcUo
 
h/t Daniel McAdams @ LRC: https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/rabbis-for-iran-deal-is-schumer-wrong/
Daniel McAdams said:
Recently 340 US rabbis from across the spectrum of American Judaism signed a letter to Congress urging approval of the Iran deal. Is it possible that the US Jewish community is not as united against the deal as AIPAC would have us believe? Today on the Liberty Report.

Ron Paul Liberty Report said:
More than 340 rabbis signed a letter to Congress urging support for the Iran deal. Is the US Jewish community more divided than the neocons would like us to believe?

Rabbis for Iran Deal - Is Schumer Wrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZf7sT-CsdM
 
I don't read articles attributed to 'Ron Paul' anymore. I only watch the man himself speak.
 
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Iran Deal Courtesy of CFR New World Order Crowd

JBS CEO Art Thompson discusses how Iran is nothing more than a surrogate of communist Russia; how the P5+1 nations that negotiated the Iran deal were represented by “ex-communists,” communists, and New-World-Order-crowd Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) members; how 60 prominent former U.S. government officials (who are almost to a man and woman CFR members) have endorsed the Iran deal; how the U.S. has never had an enemy since WWII that wasn’t created, trained, and armed by the U.S. government; and how the Iran deal is part of the package of international socialism that is being sold to the American people as a good deal.



http://www.jbs.org/home/iran-deal-courtesy-of-cfr-new-world-order-crowd
 
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