Ron Paul on the Ed Schulz show

[ChaosControl]

Wow, what an idiot.

"I believe in the constitution..."
"The people want an ag department".

Yeah sorry but the people wanting it or not doesn't make it constitutional. If you were in favor of the constitution and thought said department was necessary, you'd be in favor of amending the constitution to allow for it. You can't say it is constitutional just because the majority may be in favor of it. If that were the case we'd be a democracy, tyranny by the majority, instead of a constitutional republic.

Seriously this guy needs to get a clue, he's as stupid as the average uninformed voter.

 

[Freedom 4 all]

The left has finally found someone as obnoxious as Limbaugh. This guy makes Olbermann and Maddow seem like sensible, unbiased, and responsible journalists.

 

[Chieftain1776]

The left has finally found someone as obnoxious as Limbaugh. This guy makes Olbermann and Maddow seem like sensible, unbiased, and responsible journalists.

Let's not give them the respect of even expecting journalist-like behavior. They are commentators i.e. hacks. No one would make the mistake of calling Rush a journalist or expecting a fair hearing. When you go on these shows you go to do "battle".

 

[newbitech]

I grow my own food!~

 

[Theocrat]

Cease and Desist

I grow my own food!~

You can't do that! Didn't you know our federal government owns all of nature? Besides, you're not competent enough to evaluate the safety and nutrition of the food you grow. That's why we have a Department of Agriculture, silly! So, please stop relying on yourself for what you place on the table. After all, that's what elections are for.

 

[dannno]

My Letter:

Ed,

As you know, corporations are considered persons by law and those who run them have limited or no liability financially or otherwise, although they may be responsible for their individual actions in some cases. You have probably noticed that the major outbreaks of food illness come from large corporations who supply food, such as Peanut Corp of America, Jack in the Box, etc. It is not a coincidence that holding a non-existent entity responsible for these atrocities result in more atrocities.

These corporations, as Ron Paul mentioned, are subsidized by the government and have a competitive advantage over local suppliers of food. Local suppliers of food have lower costs for transporting their food, and because of this there is less need for processing which is one major source of food illness. Since the food doesn't travel as far from grower to consumer, it remains fresh and has less need for harmful preservatives.

Essentially this means that the Dept. of Agriculture is subsidizing a more dangerous method of food distribution, forcing safer producers of food out of business. A lot of these food distributors are long gone, forever, because the government chose to subsidize a less safe and less healthy form of food production.

For this reason and many others I have to disagree with you and agree with Ron Paul. The government does NOT in fact know what is best for us, and on top of that, those with the best access to capital (corporations) are able to fund politicians and confuse them into believing what they are doing is beneficial to people when in fact it is only giving competitive advantage to a large corporation.

I hope you have Dr. Paul back on the show for a serious discussion on this and other constitutional issues. Maybe you can have him on for an entire show to explain his positions more thoroughly. Who knows? It could be fun.

Thank you,


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[FSP-Rebel]

Comment on that youtube: YouTube - Ed Shultz vs. Ron Paul 5-20-09.

 

[anaconda]

My Letter:

Excellent. Beautifully written.

 

[acptulsa]

Face it. We're all screwed. We're surrounded by self-entitled morons.

Easy now. Whatever you do, don't try to compare tvworld with reality. Not even if they claims to be showing you a 'reality show'.

 

[Chieftain1776]

And that's always the problem. Ron always uses the 'Unconstitutional' card first and hardly ever explain the practical reasons to defend his position.

You know I used to agree until I saw this exchange. Now I think it's better to say "it's against the law" in an environment like "The Ed Show". It's a principled argument to both those on left and right. It shows how they're hypocrites when it comes to their own agendas. He basically said "How can you support dangerous activities like importing terrorists from GITMO or civil liberties and its risks when you don't even believe in the law of the land over something simple like leaving agriculture to the states? You can't have it both ways"

It's hard to argue the nuances of the free market against an hysterical host.

 

[Dr.3D]

Watching MSNBC for news is like looking in an unflushed toilet for food.

 

[BillyDkid]

Wow. RP pwned Ed Schultz.. He doesn't get that a private inspector could provide much better "security" for food than the Dept. of Agriculture. Gosh, RP was in top form..sharp, witty, classy, informed, playful, likable. Schultz' radio show is totally boring because it is without substance. He never has any facts and cannot ever make a good argument for anything. He's a real dope. I'm surprised he got a TV gig.

Yes, I have never understood the absurd position that somehow these contaminations of the food supply under FDA watch is an argument of the FDA.

 

[LATruth]

It's people like this, with millions of viewers, that cost RP the election. Not 9/11 truthers, not Bible thumpers etc. How many "hit piece" news segments like "Psycho talk" has RP been featured on? And more importantly, why does he agree to such an encounter? Or was this aired with clips and zero consent from RP?

 

[Omphfullas Zamboni]

Danno,

In your letter, you called processing, "one major source of food illness." How is this so? Does processing cause Mad Cow Disease?

Regards,
Omphfullas Zamboni

 

[LATruth]

It's known that processed meats don't contain the choicest sections of beef and poultry etc. Usually the scraps. Depending on the processing facility you sort of have to "trust them" that the scraps aren't taken from unsanitary places to avoid "profit erosion".

Why would anyone eat that?

 

[Brassmouth]

That Ed guy is a piece of shit.

Also, hasn't RP realized that the "but it's unconstitutional!" argument NEVER works?!?

Why does he keep using it? It's moot. It's irrelevant. You have to use economics and ethics to debate about state elimination, not the tired rant of constitutionality.

No one cares about the constitution, except the minarchists on these forums, and even THAT'S misguided.

 

[BenIsForRon]

The problem is, it's such a nuanced argument. We're going to have to come up with a way to argue this, because the DoA is associated with food safety in many American's minds. Danno's letter was really good, we need more like that.

But the other thing is, we need to present a realistic alternative. We can't just point at Underwriters Labratories and say "see! they did it in consumer electronics!". We need a progressive plan that shrinks the DoA, with ultimate goal of eliminating it years down the road.

 

[fisharmor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Electrical_Code_(US)

Another example.... the National Fire Prevention Association is a private organization that doesn't cost anyone a dime to develop the electrical code.

A cadre of over 6000 volunteers representing the fire service, insurance, business, industry, government, and consumers develops these documents.

Emphasis mine. And this is the standard that KEEPS YOUR HOUSE FROM BURNING TO THE GROUND.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

You can't do that! Didn't you know our federal government owns all of nature? Besides, you're not competent enough to evaluate the safety and nutrition of the food you grow. That's why we have a Department of Agriculture, silly! So, please stop relying on yourself for what you place on the table. After all, that's what elections are for.

lol!!! Careful Theo-you're starting to sound like me! ~hugs~

 

[CuriousOnlooker]

Ron Paul's confidence is incredible!