Ron Paul on Sarah Palin

[0zzy]

I wish everybody could make posts that are as constructive as yours. Posts like yours are far more effective than calling everybody who says anything nice about Palin a troll or worse.

It would be more constructive if they backed it up with facts.

 

[0zzy]

So you won't be trying to back up what you say?

Typical teenage run-around.

You have yet to have facts to back up what you are saying. Stop with your ageism and debate properly. You want reasons why I find her appealing to me? I will list them.

Why I like Palin:

Mayor:
-Reduced property taxes by 40%-60%
-Cut her own salary

Governor
-Stopped the Bridge to Nowhere
-Wanted Alaska to rely less on federal dollars
-Wants to drill for oil
-Investigates climate change, but not man-made or socialize problem
-Allowed for a natural gas pipeline to be built
-Because of the surplus she gave Alaskans $1,200 back
-Sued to get the polar bears of the endangered species list
-Uses veto power to make cuts in construction budget by $237 million. (#2 in AK history)
-Sold a state owned diary for $1.5 million
-Prohibited the implementation of the REAL ID Act
-Allowed for homosexuals to have the same benefits as heterosexuals via Supreme Court (Alaskan) ruling

Frankly, I like that she supported Buchanan in 1996 and (some say) 2000.

I like that she resigned from the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (where she was a Ethics Supervisor) because of the corruption she saw. She made two corrupt officials resign for their office and one pay a $12,000 fine.

I like that, even though she's a creationist, she doesn't want to force schools to teach it. She would like both evolution and creationism to be taught, but she wasn't going to enforce it.

I like that she is very pro-life and pro-2nd amendment. I think these are two very important issues.

She has admitted to smoking marijuana, now hopefully she's not a drug warrior, but at least she admitted that she has done it before. (Unusual for Republicans) Though it wasn't illegal when she did it.

I like that, even though she supported Bush for the war in Iraq, she was one of the few to be concerned about an exit strategy. She's been one to question the long-term strategy in Iraq.

Now, I don't like that she's with McCain. Hopefully they don't mold her, hopefully they don't change her. If she is in office and McCain dies or leaves, I hope she becomes president and changes things. Maybe it's too much to ask, but I can believe a woman could of bypassed the Neocons. And I'm relieved she's not Lieberman. Is that so bad?

But this doesn't mean I'm voting for McCain. It just means that I like her. You continue to criticize me over and over and over again. Now, I want facts why you think she is a neocon. I want you to concede that Menthol Patch is either a parody or delusional when s/he keeps posting the same fake magazine cover over and over again as a negative, when it's clearly fake in the first place.

Can you do that? Or do you want to call me a kid again? Debate me, don't condescend me.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

You have yet to have facts to back up what you are saying. Stop with your ageism and debate properly. You want reasons why I find her appealing to me? I will list them.

Why I like Palin:

Mayor:
-Reduced property taxes by 40%-60%
-Cut her own salary

Governor
-Stopped the Bridge to Nowhere
-Wanted Alaska to rely less on federal dollars
-Wants to drill for oil
-Investigates climate change, but not man-made or socialize problem
-Allowed for a natural gas pipeline to be built
-Because of the surplus she gave Alaskans $1,200 back
-Sued to get the polar bears of the endangered species list
-Uses veto power to make cuts in construction budget by $237 million. (#2 in AK history)
-Sold a state owned diary for $1.5 million
-Prohibited the implementation of the REAL ID Act
-Allowed for homosexuals to have the same benefits as heterosexuals via Supreme Court (Alaskan) ruling

Frankly, I like that she supported Buchanan in 1996 and (some say) 2000.

I like that she resigned from the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (where she was a Ethics Supervisor) because of the corruption she saw. She made two corrupt officials resign for their office and one pay a $12,000 fine.

I like that, even though she's a creationist, she doesn't want to force schools to teach it. She would like both evolution and creationism to be taught, but she wasn't going to enforce it.

I like that she is very pro-life and pro-2nd amendment. I think these are two very important issues.

She has admitted to smoking marijuana, now hopefully she's not a drug warrior, but at least she admitted that she has done it before. (Unusual for Republicans) Though it wasn't illegal when she did it.

I like that, even though she supported Bush for the war in Iraq, she was one of the few to be concerned about an exit strategy. She's been one to question the long-term strategy in Iraq.

Now, I don't like that she's with McCain. Hopefully they don't mold her, hopefully they don't change her. If she is in office and McCain dies or leaves, I hope she becomes president and changes things. Maybe it's too much to ask, but I can believe a woman could of bypassed the Neocons. And I'm relieved she's not Lieberman. Is that so bad?

But this doesn't mean I'm voting for McCain. It just means that I like her. You continue to criticize me over and over and over again. Now, I want facts why you think she is a neocon. I want you to concede that Menthol Patch is either a parody or delusional when s/he keeps posting the same fake magazine cover over and over again as a negative, when it's clearly fake in the first place.

Can you do that? Or do you want to call me a kid again? Debate me, don't condescend me.

- Helped pass a tax increase on oil company profits.
- Created a new sub-cabinet group of advisers to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska.
- Proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers' rates.
- Proposed government handouts in the form of "Energy Cards."
- Signed into law largest operating budget in Alaskan history
- Left her town with large long term debt. ( That works about as well as Freddie Mac's instant gratification with risky mortgages )
- Initially supported "Bridge to Nowhere."
- Kept federal funding from above.
- Interfered with Matanuska Maid Dairy. Similar to a small scale attempted bail-out.
- Supports government regulation in health care to "lower costs."
- Opposes Same Sex Marriage
- Supported a non-binding referendum for a constitutional amendment to deny benefits to same-sex couples.
- Supported the 1998 constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.
- Does not support Marijuana legalization.
- Supported a controversial (government sponsored) predator-control program involving aerial hunting of wolves.
- Supports unconstitutional Iraq war and foreign policy.
- Supports death penalty legislation.
- Moderate on education issues
- Supports providing stability in regulations for developers.
- Supports funding the Seniors Longevity Bonus Program.


She didn't exactly set any big goals with her absurd budget, could have cut spending more, infringes on civil rights, extends government's arm, meddles in the market, etc. etc.

This indicates more of a moderate populist than anything else. Can you refute any of the above?

 

[Peace&Freedom]

She didn't exactly set any big goals with her absurd budget, could have cut spending more, infringes on civil rights, extends government's arm, meddles in the market, etc. etc.

This indicates more of a moderate populist than anything else. Can you refute any of the above?

Palin is not libertarian, yet to be fair a lot of that list includes things that are not black and white "compatible with Paul" or "not compatible with Paul" positions, but simply different shades of view. Paul opposes the death penalty at the federal level, but would permit different states to support their own. Paul supported the Defense of Marraige Act and is morally opposed to same-sex marriage. Paul and Palin apparently don't believe in the federal government imposing uniform embrace of the death penalty or homosexuality on a nation that is clearly half opposed to it. Palin supports the Iraq war but has called for a time-table for withdrawal. Like other executives she was often stuck with signing bills that were concocted by spendthrift legislators who would override the Governor's veto in any event. Are you saying a President Paul would never sign any trillion dollar budget Congress submitted to him?

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Palin is not libertarian, yet to be fair a lot of that list includes things that are not black and white "compatible with Paul" or "not compatible with Paul" positions, but simply different shades of view. Paul opposes the death penalty at the federal level, but would permit different states to support their own. Paul supported the Defense of Marraige Act and is morally opposed to same-sex marriage. Paul and Palin apparently don't believe in the federal government imposing uniform embrace of the death penalty or homosexuality on a nation that is clearly half opposed to it. Palin supports the Iraq war but has called for a time-table for withdrawal. Like other executives she was often stuck with signing bills that were concocted byspendthrift legislators who would override the Governor's veto in any event. Are you saying a President Paul would never sign any two trillion dollar budget Congress submitted to him?

I don't think he would sign the largest in the history of the country.

You might want to refresh yourself on Ron's positions.

Anyway, your post hardly addresses the many faults of Palin. And, though she may not be a Libertarian, my laundry list shows she isn't even a Conservative. She's a populist leaning moderate....I think you, as well as the many touting her name, are forgetting what constitutes a real conservative.

 

[tajitj]

I'm voting for Barr, and hoping Palin runs in 2012, and get Ron or Rand Paul as VP

I think this is a realistic scenario

Exactly. If Barr gets a few million votes to show how serious small govt anti war conservatives are and Palin can show her true colors when she escapes from McCain, she might be a worthy candidate in 2012.

 

[american.swan]

Yes, Palin will defintely have some sway over McCain.

McCain really likes former beauty contestant winners and would do just about anything for them.

AH so if she sleeps with a grumpy old man she gets to run the country. ummmm

 

[revolutionman]

Palin is a false Idol.

Golden Calf.

You know what happens when you worship the Golden Calf. So don't do it. Just don't its really quite simple. There is no compromise. Compromising, sacrificing our values little by little here and there is how things have gotten so far out of control. Stop fking doing that. Save your willingness to compromise for your friends and family and maybe your coworkers, but not your politicians. If you flake on your values, you deserve what you get.

Her quick rise through the ranks in politics illustrates one simple fact. Shes a "team palyer". She does whatever her superiors want her to do. You really think shes gonna stop now? Hell no!

i know we've all been waiting for a VP we can rub one out to, but resist the temptation to support this Neo Con slag propped up as a true conservative.

please don't be so fking naive.

 

[werdd]

The only problem i have with palin is that she is drinking the climate change kool-aid.

Other than that, seems like libertarianism is gaining influence in the Republican party, directly or indirectly. Because the arguement can be made that she is just a ploy to get the women voting block, and that seems plausable.

I would think that any Supporter of Ron Paul, rather they will vote for this ticket or not(I wont be.), should be pleased.

 

[grizzums]

Sorry, but many of us will not compromise by rallying behind a pseudo-conservative. We are not fooled by the guise of Sarah Palin, nor is Ron. If you've read the other threads regarding this and what Ron has said, he has advised against the ticket. He does, however, push his support in favor of Baldwin and Barr, both of which are not 100 percent in line with Ron's views. Though this is so, you don't hear many people talking them down like Palin. Why? Because they are more conservative than Palin will ever be.

You're right. We shouldn't penalize a rather good candidate if they aren't 100% in line with Ron's views, but Palin is far from it. She infringes on civil rights, extends government arm, supports an unconstitutional war, and proposes policy that interferes with the free market. She's more like 50% in line with the views of this movement, and I'm not willing to compromise my country or values for a candidate that is half assed, and even worse, a panderer to the top of the ticket that is more like 5% in line with our views.

The people here should know better than to vote for a ticket like this and if they do they either aren't researching or don't know what we stand for.

Forget the obvious Barr/Baldwin/Write in divide here....it's now us versus the phony conservatives.

With an attitude like this, good luck with your movement....and no, I am not pulling the lever for the Rethugs nor the Dimwits.

Good Day.

 

[revolutionman]

i don't see whats wrong with that mentality.

seems on point to me.

No one should ever compromise their ideals.

Hold fast to your ideals, and the democratic process with do all the necessary compromising.

 

[grizzums]

i don't see whats wrong with that mentality.

seems on point to me.

No one should ever compromise their ideals.

Hold fast to your ideals, and the democratic process with do all the necessary compromising.

Does "not comprimising on ideals" mean that folks shouldn't reach out to try and educate Ms. Palin about the message of freedom and liberty? If that is so, then I'd say "not compromising" may hurt this movement grow to where it needs to be in order to become successful in transforming this party and this country. If "not compromising on ideals" means not pulling the lever for the Rethugs based on Palin as a VP pick, well then, I agree with that.

 

[BenMuldowney]

I wonder how the Christian ministers are going to get by with encouraging their congregations to vote for McCain when the VP has posed half naked for a magazine.

let it be known that menthol is a NEOCON... who else could be this stupid? dude.. go to littlegreenfootballs where you belong.

 

[DAFTEK]

let it be known that menthol is a neocon... Who else could be this stupid? Dude.. Go to littlegreenfootballs where you belong.

+1776

 

[Grandson of Liberty]

You have yet to have facts to back up what you are saying. Stop with your ageism and debate properly. You want reasons why I find her appealing to me? I will list them.

Why I like Palin:

Mayor:
-Reduced property taxes by 40%-60%
-Cut her own salary

Governor
-Stopped the Bridge to Nowhere
-Wanted Alaska to rely less on federal dollars
-Wants to drill for oil
-Investigates climate change, but not man-made or socialize problem
-Allowed for a natural gas pipeline to be built
-Because of the surplus she gave Alaskans $1,200 back
-Sued to get the polar bears of the endangered species list
-Uses veto power to make cuts in construction budget by $237 million. (#2 in AK history)
-Sold a state owned diary for $1.5 million
-Prohibited the implementation of the REAL ID Act
-Allowed for homosexuals to have the same benefits as heterosexuals via Supreme Court (Alaskan) ruling

Frankly, I like that she supported Buchanan in 1996 and (some say) 2000.

I like that she resigned from the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (where she was a Ethics Supervisor) because of the corruption she saw. She made two corrupt officials resign for their office and one pay a $12,000 fine.

I like that, even though she's a creationist, she doesn't want to force schools to teach it. She would like both evolution and creationism to be taught, but she wasn't going to enforce it.

I like that she is very pro-life and pro-2nd amendment. I think these are two very important issues.

She has admitted to smoking marijuana, now hopefully she's not a drug warrior, but at least she admitted that she has done it before. (Unusual for Republicans) Though it wasn't illegal when she did it.

I like that, even though she supported Bush for the war in Iraq, she was one of the few to be concerned about an exit strategy. She's been one to question the long-term strategy in Iraq.

Now, I don't like that she's with McCain. Hopefully they don't mold her, hopefully they don't change her. If she is in office and McCain dies or leaves, I hope she becomes president and changes things. Maybe it's too much to ask, but I can believe a woman could of bypassed the Neocons. And I'm relieved she's not Lieberman. Is that so bad?

But this doesn't mean I'm voting for McCain. It just means that I like her. You continue to criticize me over and over and over again. Now, I want facts why you think she is a neocon. I want you to concede that Menthol Patch is either a parody or delusional when s/he keeps posting the same fake magazine cover over and over again as a negative, when it's clearly fake in the first place.

Can you do that? Or do you want to call me a kid again? Debate me, don't condescend me.

Well said, Ozzy. And thanks for the good run-down.

 

[nbhadja]

Forgot the part where she never spoke out against the Federal Reserve or the trillion dollar foreign policy.

 

[georgiaboy]

This says it all

For those who have been waiting for an answer, he was just on AM 1280 in Minnesota and was asked about her. He said it was:

1. a "shrewd" pick on McCain's part, and that

2. she seemed like a good person who he hoped would help steer McCain in the right direction on limiting government and making it less invasive in people's lives. But he also said that

3. you shouldn't "hold your breath" because McCain probably isn't going to be influenced like Bush was with Cheney. He then went on to say he thinks

4. people should vote for someone like Barr or Baldwin, rather then try and vote for the lesser of two evils, though he doesn't seem to have plans to endorse either (still.)

Modified the OP.

QFT.

Thanks, Ron, for putting the McCain/Palin question to rest.

 

[DAFTEK]

Modified the OP.

QFT.

Thanks, Ron, for putting the McCain/Palin question to rest.

QFT! All that is, is a claim with no source, i doubt he said: MY DEAR PAULITES PALIN IS A NEOCON TRADER, VOTE BARR!

 

[georgiaboy]

QFT! All that is, is a claim with no source, i doubt he said: MY DEAR PAULITES PALIN IS A NEOCON TRADER, VOTE BARR!

No, unlike some, he actually uses grace and tact, and the wording of the OP sounds incredibly like exactly the way Ron would word something, and falls in line with his words, actions, and philosophies perfectly.

It also happens to perfectly agree with the quoted statement from his Raise the Rafters email sent out recently, and included in my signature.

If you question the OP's validity, that's your prerogative, as well as it's your prerogative to vote against our constitution as you see fit, which a vote for either Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin will do.

It's also your prerogative to continue baiting me, and admittedly I'll take it now and again, though less and less so going forward.

 

[Rangeley]

I stand by what I wrote. He neither called her a traitor neocon, nor said you should vote for McCain because of her.