Ron Paul on MSNBC (Tucker) tomorrow night, just attacked today

[Adamsa]

Who cares what his position was on a war a hundred years ago?

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Apparently he's going to be on Tucker tomorrow night, though. Hopefully Tucker Carlson will be on instead, though. The pundits they have on also claim that no historian supports him.

No historian supports him? Just did a lazy search of the LewRockwell.com archive. Tell Carlson to bring in Tom DiLorenzo:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/w-williams1.html

Or Thomas Woods:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods31.html

Or Jeffrey Hummel:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dieteman/dieteman66.html

Dozens of articles per each author on this subject. Love that Rockwell archive!

 

[The Lantern]

I support ron paul, but... The Civil War was a bad thing? I mean, come on...

They are just using the Civil War as an issue because they do not want to talk about the issues that are important such as monetary supply, devaluation of the dollar, the federal reserve, etc.

 

[braumstr]

for crying out loud can we STOP talking about this? It does not help OK?

 

[worldtruthfreedom]

No Polished Puppet for me please

If you guys keep nitpicking every comment Ron Paul makes, that may be controversial in the MSM, then you are missing the point of what the man is really about AND you are falling into the trap of the corporate media.

Ordinary people are sick and tired of the polished politician.

RP speaks the truth as he sees it and he doesn't care how it looks. He also allows others the same freedom. The guy will make mistakes and he will say things that may not fit in with everyones viewpoints but SO WHAT! Isn't that how the REAL world is?

Maybe he should b like 99% of the rest of them and only say things that HE believe you will agree with and/or you can handle. Is that what we want?

You should not try to turn RP into another puppet president.

The MSM wants to take these non-issues and make BIG stories out of them. That is how they operate.

Like it matters what direction Abe Lincoln took in the distant past - compared to the present moment. In my opinion anyone who is overly concerned about how RPs interviews will be viewed, is not fit to carry the torch for freedom.

The message is much larger louder than any single issue.

The TRUTH that Dr. Paul speaks is open and it is vulnerable to attack. That's what makes it so special and appealing. Do you get it?

Wake up people and DO NOT let the MSM sway you. NOW is where it is happening.

 

[Cigaboo]

What we should be talking about publicly is this:

I'm sure that the burning question in every Presidential candidates mind when they go on Meet the Press is one that is on the tip of every GOP primary voter's tounge ... THE CIVIL WAR???

The MSM has to throw a bone for the pundits because talking about the present is just too damn painful. Who will vote for Big Government and Endless War???

As I said last week, RP needs to spend that money on a professional PR person skilled at these kinds of venues. I would have coached my candidate to stay on message and absolutely avoid any oddball/setup questions to the point of cutting the interview short if need be. Period. The fact is they can't defend the indefensible so they have to resort to goofy/smear tactics.

Good point, that is absurd. "What is your stance on the Civil War?" "Uh, why don't you ask me about my stance on something from the last 100 years?!"

 

[Sandra]

Slavery was illegal in Louisiana until it was sold to the states in the Louisiana Purchase deal.

 

[Flash]

I support ron paul, but... The Civil War was a bad thing? I mean, come on...

The Confederacy was a soverign nation. You can't just invade a nation and tell them "slavery is bad" while killing thousands of their people. There were African, Arab, European, etc.. nations that also had slavery around the US's time, should we have invaded them aswell?

 

[KingTheoden]

Abe Lincoln pursued the Civil War to strengthen the central government, take a look at when the current central bank of the time was made and other facts.

Excellent point, Alex. Private and community banking was effectively banned under Lincoln's reign because of the National Banking Act of 1863. It began by favoring federal script (backed by nothing) and eventually grew into extinguishing the issuance of currency backed by gold and silver on a local level. This was an enormous power grab by the central government.

I'm originally from New Jersey and all of my family is of northern origin. And I can tell you with 100% of my spirit that the North was not the 'good guy.'

 

[mosquitobite]

If you guys keep nitpicking every comment Ron Paul makes, that may be controversial in the MSM, then you are missing the point of what the man is really about AND you are falling into the trap of the corporate media.

Ordinary people are sick and tired of the polished politician.

RP speaks the truth as he sees it and he doesn't care how it looks. He also allows others the same freedom. The guy will make mistakes and he will say things that may not fit in with everyones viewpoints but SO WHAT! Isn't that how the REAL world is?

Maybe he should b like 99% of the rest of them and only say things that HE believe you will agree with and/or you can handle. Is that what we want?

You should not try to turn RP into another puppet president.

The MSM wants to take these non-issues and make BIG stories out of them. That is how they operate.

Like it matters what direction Abe Lincoln took in the distant past - compared to the present moment. In my opinion anyone who is overly concerned about how RPs interviews will be viewed, is not fit to carry the torch for freedom.

The message is much larger louder than any single issue.

The TRUTH that Dr. Paul speaks is open and it is vulnerable to attack. That's what makes it so special and appealing. Do you get it?

Wake up people and DO NOT let the MSM sway you. NOW is where it is happening.

well said!

I feel the same way. I'd rather have a GENIUNE politician than one that is polished and I think many Americans feel the same

 

[Hangly Man]

Who cares what his position was on a war a hundred years ago?

Apparently just about everyone.

Look, while you all may have a point, and may even be absolutely right, you will never convince mainstream America of that. We celebrate Lincoln's birthday. He's on the $5 bill and the penny. You are never in a million years going to convince the country that he was anything less than a hero. I suggest we drop it before it damages us any more than it already has.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I support ron paul, but... The Civil War was a bad thing? I mean, come on...

use your brain. then speak.

 

[Paulitician]

Another non-issue. Even Ron Paul supporters show themselves to be hypnotized by the media.

 

[RobertJ]

Also, I wanted to note that I'm incredibly curious how this position affects the voters in South Carolina...

I`m from SC and we applauded Ron Pauls stance on the matter. Everyone down here KNOWS the war was not over slavery, it was to force the south into submission to the norths poilicies. Anyone who believes the war was over slavery is a sheep that only knows what their propganda books and tv tells them. Abe Lincoln didnt give 2 cents about slaves, in fact he was about to ship them all to liberia right before he was shot.

 

[acstichter]

Well, my BIL brought this up at Christmas and said he was impressed with what Ron said regarding the Civil War. I gave him a DVD and hope he'll vote for him.

 

[Richandler]

The same partisan style thinking today is exactly what caused the Civil War. Slaves were not excessively lynched until after they became free people. 600,000 men died only to create more hate crimes than in the entire history of America. Blacks would have eventaully won there freedom. There population was growing and they would be freed by owners all the time. That trend, after the war, became one of racism and killing.

The Civil War is the first example of America trying to play world police. Everytime we have tried to police the world it has ended in more bloodshed and hatred.

 

[worldtruthfreedom]

Apparently just about everyone.

Look, while you all may have a point, and may even be absolutely right, you will never convince mainstream America of that. We celebrate Lincoln's birthday. He's on the $5 bill and the penny. You are never in a million years going to convince the country that he was anything less than a hero. I suggest we drop it before it damages us any more than it already has.

Why drop it? Sheltering people from legitimate 'other' points of view has created the system you now have in the U.S.

The MSM and the Establishment believe that they know what you guys should hear and should not.

When you begin stifling your viewpoints because it may upset someone then you go down that road of withholding truth in the name of security.

I'm not schooled on the American Civil War, but as I see it, the whole idea of Paul's message is to make the 'truth' mainstream and not pander to the mainstream's inability to tackle the real issues.

Up until the present day, if you want to win elections then you sanitise the truth before speaking it - that is the common belief.

If you want to just tell the truth tell it like you see it. In the current climate I think Dr. Paul can win by just being honest with his views.

Doesn't mean he's right everytime but at least he opens up the debate.

Respectfully,

Mk

 

[Vaughn]

This is a non issue but the media is going to make it into a smear. We all know how ridiculous it is to smear the most tolerant and honest politician as a racist but they are doing it. Paul is trying to make an intellectual and reasoned historical argument on this subject but the fact of the matter is, in the age of 5 second sound bites all the opposition needs is the line, "The civil war was wrong", and thats it, they can do their damage. HQ needs to seriously be focusing on this because if left alone it will do damage to Paul's image.

 

[Greg in VA]

What we should be talking about publicly is this:

I'm sure that the burning question in every Presidential candidates mind when they go on Meet the Press is one that is on the tip of every GOP primary voter's tounge ... THE CIVIL WAR???

The MSM has to throw a bone for the pundits because talking about the present is just too damn painful. Who will vote for Big Government and Endless War???

As I said last week, RP needs to spend that money on a professional PR person skilled at these kinds of venues. I would have coached my candidate to stay on message and absolutely avoid any oddball/setup questions to the point of cutting the interview short if need be. Period. The fact is they can't defend the indefensible so they have to resort to goofy/smear tactics.

Amen! Everyone here on this forum topic needs to pause and carefully read HarryBrowneLives post.

There is a pattern here, accusations of racism, neo-Nazi support, crack pot views on the Civil War, insinuation of Confederate sympathies, add it all up and it is a potent smear.

We need to focus on the here and now, as stated in the quote above

"Who will vote for Big Government and Endless War??? "

This is non issue, save for the fact that it is being packaged as part of smear effort, the best we can do is drop this and focus on the present. If you want Big Government and Endless War vote for the above, if you want small government, liberty, and peace vote for Ron Paul. Simple message, and it will work

 

[Eponym_mi]

If Tucker isn't the host tonight, and Ron Paul is going to be interviewed by the same asshole (Joe Shuster) that tried to smear him this morning, the interview should be canceled. Not much point arguing about a bunch of crap from 150 years ago when there are plenty of problems to address in the present.