Civil Liberties: Ron Paul on Loving V. Virginia (1967)?

So, your answer is it's okay for the state to violate civil rights because they have the right to? Your answers aren't very specific on HOW reform would work, and just saying "STATE RIGHTS! STATE RIGHTS!" doesn't mean anything when the state is suppose to uphold civil liberties granted by the Constitution.

How does "forcing gay marriage" prove to be tyrannical? That sound so asinine, I'd say if they were forcing us to have gay sex with each other, but the federal government just wants gays to get married because the state has failed to grant those "reforms" you're talking about.

It's just common sense.

Like any law that is passed by a state the people have regress through the courts. Any law can be brought to court as unconstitutional. It is happening now in Arizona regarding their immigration enforcement law. It happened in California recently with a law that was overwhelmingly passed by the people to deny benefits to illegal immigrants. It went to the USSC and was ruled unconstitutional.
 
All good points. I will add this. There is no evidence of hospitals with policies that bar gays from visiting their sick loved ones. People say that all the time, but without proof. If a couple as a durable power of attorney for healthcare a hospital cannot bar visitation. That's the law in all 50 states to my knowledge. The "We can't visit our sick loved ones" argument is a red herring. As for insurance, get rid of the federal tax law that binds health insurance to employment and that problem goes away. You don't have to be married to have someone on your car insurance do you?

Here are a few additional aspects for consideration:

The principle in law of the age of majority, contracts are not valid to those who have yet to reach the age of majority, e.g., 18-years or older.

A marriage license is not a contract any more than an attorney’s license, driver’s license, practitioner’s license, etc.; it is merely evidence of lawful compliance and qualification. In most respects licenses are merely hidden taxes, while ensuring that uniformity is maintained in professional standards and culpability.

An Arizonian that is intent on residing in California, for example, will have to apply for a California driver’s license and have their vehicles reregistered and equipped to meet their smog and whatever other vehicle requirements, they cannot point to the U.S. Constitution for protections that their vehicles have already been registered and smogged in another Union state, with themselves being in possession of a valid out of state driver’s license.

Corporations, etc., are considered foreign entities in all states except where incorporated; a business does not get to go into another state and setup shop without first meeting that state’s own structured business requirements. Even still, structured businesses have to comply with local county or city requirements within the states they are operating in.

Certain states offer guaranteed recycling fees for glass or plastic, one cannot go into a state that does not and expect that fee to be honored.

Certain types of insurance (life, auto, accidental, travel, etc.) or health care coverage, benefits, etc., are not covered or are covered differently than in other states.

Could not “same sex marriages” otherwise be treated similarly to common law marriages, at the discretion of individual states (e.g., in California common law marriages are not recognized, save for those that can provide evidence that they had met the requirements of being common law partners within a common law marriage state)?

The real issue that should be present on the table is that marriage is a private contract of oneness and intimacy, a togetherness of unrelated families, and nothing more; be it between the parties themselves, or also include their religious commitments. Marriage should neither carry the weight of, nor be left tainted by politic-gaming.

Instead of arguing for governments to get further involved in the sanctimony of marriage, shouldn’t the argument be for hospitals to change their visitor’s policies, for the insurance and health care industries to change their coverage and beneficiary policies, including as well both public (at every governmental level) and private employers, etc., etc., etc.?


Otherwise, where do you draw the line, because before you realize it, we will have “Americanized” Muslims -and even Hindus- arguing for polygyny and then even polyandry “rights” within America? And then America’s robber-baron elitists will be clamoring (once more) for legalized marriage and inbreeding so as to ensure the future security of their hundreds of billions in inherited wealth. Finally, then cometh the last of the straws, Sodom and Gomorrah arrive to meet ancient Greece: publicly open bestiality, pedophilia and pederasty, and eventually even virtual-reality and robot marriages.
 
Questions for jmdrake, I'm just curious, are you in favor of Ron Paul's position that the government should not issue licenses, regulate marriage, and grant any tax benefits or other privileges based on marriage at all, and any consenting adults should be free to form voluntary associations and call it whatever they want? And, regardless of your answer to that question, are you, for religious or other personal reasons, against the idea of gay people being allowed to get married and call it marriage? (And when I say "allowed" I mean either by having current law allow gay marriages, or by doing what Ron Paul suggests and getting government completely out of the equation, or by any other means for that matter--In other words I'm asking if you oppose gays being able to marry).
 
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January 10, 1963 Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963. Some of the 45 communist goals of 1963: Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”: http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
 
Questions for jmdrake, I'm just curious, are you in favor of Ron Paul's position that the government should not issue licenses, regulate marriage, and grant any tax benefits or other privileges based on marriage at all, and any consenting adults should be free to form voluntary associations and call it whatever they want? And, regardless of your answer to that question, are you, for religious or other personal reasons, against the idea of gay people being allowed to get married and call it marriage? (And when I say "allowed" I mean either by having current law allow gay marriages, or by doing what Ron Paul suggests and getting government completely out of the equation, or by any other means for that matter--In other words I'm asking if you oppose gays being able to marry).

I apologize for missing this and not responding for...well over two years. :0 I agree with Ron Paul's position that the government should be completely out of regulating marriage. Tax benefits? There should be no income tax in the first place. I think we could get rid of federal taxes altogether if we really put our minds to it. If someone could get $50K in donations to make potato salad couldn't an online pledge drive raise money for roads? Now as to your question regarding religious reasons, I don't believe in forcing my religion on anyone else. That said, I think it's insane that we live in a country where people can get arrested for doing what Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon and others did, while something that was barred in the old and new testament is held up as the "new freedom." For religious reasons I don't eat pork. But I have nothing against people that eat pork. I'll go to a dinner where pork is served even though I won't eat it myself. And I could see myself attending a wedding of a close gay friend. My personal feelings on the matter would be my personal feelings. I hope that answers your question.
 
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