Other: Ron Paul Newsletter Controversy

brenden.b · Apr 20, 2010

So, I know that this will be an issue brought up in 2012 if Ron Paul decides to run for President, and that is the issue of the newsletter controversy. I am new to the movement and I would like to hear all of the details that I can about this controversy. I know that RP has said that he didn't write any of the controversial articles in the newsletter, but who did? And how is the newsletter linked with RP?

I need details, please, so that I can set the record straight on what could be a devestating issue in 2012.

Thanks!

specsaregood · Apr 20, 2010

brenden.b said:
So, I know that this will be an issue brought up in 2012 if Ron Paul decides to run for President, and that is the issue of the newsletter controversy. I am new to the movement and I would like to hear all of the details that I can about this controversy. I know that RP has said that he didn't write any of the controversial articles in the newsletter, but who did? And how is the newsletter linked with RP?

I need details, please, so that I can set the record straight on what could be a devestating issue in 2012.

Thanks!

Some searching would do you well.
In short, calling RP a racist would be like calling Steve Forbes a liberal due to a liberal piece running in his magazine.

angelatc · Apr 20, 2010

Search the forums. But you'll never change anybody's mind about what he meant. Don't waste time trying.

brenden.b · Apr 20, 2010

I've done quite a bit of research on the issue, and I must say that it was not much help. Most of the article that I found were leaning towards calling RP a racist. Sure, I found some stuff, but I was wondering if there is more concrete evidence out there so that I can dissuade any attacks.

I truly believe that RP is not a racist and that he didn't write the newsletters. That is not the problem. I am looking for facts to back up why I should believe he is not a racist and had nothing to do with the newsletter.

Any suggestions?

angelatc · Apr 20, 2010

I apologize. The previous discussions on the topic aren't archived in "Search."

Answer to your first question - nobody has admitted responsibility for writing the newsletters, and Paul hasn't named names. However, it's pretty obvious from reading the syntax and grammar that it honestly wasn't Paul that wrote them.

You might like to start by reading this: http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...Ron+Paul+newsletters&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

"In another issue, he cited reports that 85 percent of all black men in Washington, D.C., are arrested at some point: "Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the 'criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

That statistic happens to be true, making the politically incorrect statement pretty much based in fact.

specsaregood · Apr 20, 2010

IMNSHO, this should be good enough for anybody:

January 13, 2008 — A 20 year friend of Ron Paul ,Austin Texas' NAACP Director Nelson Linder is interviewed by Scott Horton of Anti War radio concerning the accusations of racism against the congressman.The interview also explores the issue of civil rights and inequality in the American justice system

YouTube - NAACP Director Comes To Ron Paul's Defense

MelissaWV · Apr 20, 2010

angelatc said:
I apologize. The previous discussions on the topic aren't archived in "Search."

RonPaul_SantaMonica said:
[The letters] will pass away just like the Huckabee rape case. People are stupid, and they will forget about it. Hopefully something will happen this weekend. Maybe Britney will have another incident, or Tom will jump on another couch.

This shit will hopefully be over by the end of this weekend. We have way too much confidence in the public, and the idiots who watch fox/cnn/msnbc are not the people we want to target.

Ron_Paul_Knows · Apr 20, 2010

These are the best sources I have found, plus the video posted by specsaregood:
http://www.takimag.com/site/article/why_the_beltway_libertarians_are_trying_to_smear_ron_paul/
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/49862

YouTube - NAACP Austin branch pres talks about Ron Paul. info in about

brenden.b · Apr 20, 2010

I apologize for bringing up the topic again, as it is quite obvious this has been discussed several times over the last couple years.

I appreciate the willingness to help though, so thank you!

Working Poor · Jan 18, 2011

I sure do wish Ron Paul woulld make a video disputing this himself. I have looked and looked for something with him saying something about this....

I am in a discussion right now looking for some concrete proof from Ron Pual's own mouth saying he did not write nor does he agree with it. at least give the right key words to find something he said.

MelissaWV · Jan 18, 2011

Working Poor said:
I sure do wish Ron Paul woulld make a video disputing this himself. I have looked and looked for something with him saying something about this....

I am in a discussion right now looking for some concrete proof from Ron Pual's own mouth saying he did not write nor does he agree with it. at least give the right key words to find something he said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHmuU8A2vzc

Go in about a minute and you'll see a discussion about the newsletters, followed by Dr. Paul's denial.

* * *

Towards the end he flounders a little, but honestly this is stupid. We're on Ron Paul Forums. Should people believe that because this site bears his name, it's his views exclusively? No, but some people will do so.

Working Poor · Jan 18, 2011

MelissaWV said:
Go in about a minute and you'll see a discussion about the newsletters, followed by Dr. Paul's denial.

I just don't think this will convince the peole I am debating with....Thanks for giving me something though.

Live_Free_Or_Die · Jan 18, 2011

if any of Ron's critics could cite one piece of racist legislation Ron has ever introduced I might care. Since no one can do that I could care less what Ron Paul's personal views are. Ron Paul has credibility from 30+ years of deeds not worlds.

sailingaway · Jan 18, 2011

On youtube there is an interview with the NAACP District Chief from his district saying he knew Ron Paul for 20 years and he wasn't at all racist, and that they worked on stuff together. When this issue was first raised Ron was returning to Congress after some absence, and no one really knew who he was. Now he has one of the most extensive libraries, written and youtube, of anyone, and there is not one speech, post or policy they can point to that is racist, so they go back to language which compared to his language is so clearly different there is no way any reasonable person would think he wrote it. There was an independent paid editorial staff and cycling volunteers putting out newsletters. Ron was practicing medicine full time. If people WANT to believe it they can (but they'll have doubts) but anyone with the slightest bit of objectivity will look at 20+ years of public service and say 'Is this all they've got'? I know I said exactly that to myself when I looked into the issue, and it popped like a soap bubble. And it is the worst that exists, unless you disagree with him on policy, which is entirely separate. Tell people the facts then say if they are going to slander him they should feel obliged to look into it themselves. If they do that, and honestly don't just disagree with his policies because they want 'free stuff', you'll have another RP supporter on your hands. I really believe this.

I never met another politician who looks better and better the more you look into him. We have to get people looking into him.

Working Poor · Jan 19, 2011

Live_Free_Or_Die said:
if any of Ron's critics could cite one piece of racist legislation Ron has ever introduced I might care. Since no one can do that I could care less what Ron Paul's personal views are. Paul has credibility from 30+ years of deeds not worlds.

Of course we know this but, the media will fry him over the racist newsletter thing again. If he runs I hope he will sit down and make a video and talk squarely about it. We have to learn from the past.

jmdrake · Jan 19, 2011

angelatc said:
I apologize. The previous discussions on the topic aren't archived in "Search."

Answer to your first question - nobody has admitted responsibility for writing the newsletters, and Paul hasn't named names. However, it's pretty obvious from reading the syntax and grammar that it honestly wasn't Paul that wrote them.

You might like to start by reading this: http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...Ron+Paul+newsletters&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

That statistic happens to be true, making the politically incorrect statement pretty much based in fact.

The statistic that 85% of black men in D.C. having contact with the justice system may be true, but the claim that the "inefficiencies in the justice system" only go one way (missing the guilty as opposed to wrongly arresting the innocent) is not. Anyway, here's the best evidence to refute Ron being a racist. I used it in 2008 to good effect.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/special/forums/candidates/paul.html
A system designed to protect individual liberty will have no punishments for any group and no privileges. Today, I think inner-city folks and minorities are punished unfairly in the war on drugs.

For instance, Blacks make up 14 percent of those who use drugs, yet 36 percent of those arrested are Blacks and it ends up that 63 percent of those who finally end up in prison are Blacks. This has to change.

We don't have to have more courts and more prisons. We need to repeal the whole war on drugs. It isn't working.

We have already spent over $400 billion since the early 1970s, and it is wasted money. Prohibition didn't work. Prohibition on drugs doesn't work. So we need to come to our senses.

And, absolutely, it's a disease. We don't treat alcoholics like this. This is a disease, and we should orient ourselves to this. That is one way you could have equal justice under the law.

Working Poor · Jan 19, 2011

I need something with him saying something that does not look like he skirting the issue of the newsletters. This is the one thing that gets brought up time and again. I cannot seem to prove he had no knowledge of the newsletters in away that people can't dispute. I have used all of the above material at least once.

I think if he runs he has to dispute this squarely if he intends to win. The libs carry this very high and I think everyone here knows that.

sailingaway · Jan 19, 2011

Working Poor said:
I need something with him saying something that does not look like he skirting the issue of the newsletters. This is the one thing that gets brought up time and again. I cannot seem to prove he had no knowledge of the newsletters in away that people can't dispute. I have used all of the above material at least once.

I think if he runs he has to dispute this squarely if he intends to win. The libs carry this very high and I think everyone here knows that.

I honestly think WE need to just dismiss it as we have here. WE give it legs. It wasn't him, if they are going to say something someone else wrote in an investment newsletter under his name is determinative, they shouldn't vote for him. But clearly he didn't write it, doesn't think it, and his policies show that. That is what I'd say. We aren't collectivist. He did have to deny his belief in this because it was under his name. Sack cloth and ashes would be pandering, however. It was someone's opinion, only, and not his.

Elwar · Jan 19, 2011

Working Poor said:
I need something with him saying something that does not look like he skirting the issue of the newsletters. This is the one thing that gets brought up time and again. I cannot seem to prove he had no knowledge of the newsletters in away that people can't dispute. I have used all of the above material at least once.

I think if he runs he has to dispute this squarely if he intends to win. The libs carry this very high and I think everyone here knows that.

Once labeled a racist, there's no changing someone's mind who believes it. Coming out and saying anything will only fuel the fire.

It's like trying to convince someone who believes in global warming that it's not happening...even after siting tons and tons of evidence. They'll refute anything put out there.

AlexMerced · Jan 19, 2011

check out RonPaulIsNow.com

There is a video about ron paul controversies

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