Ron Paul needs to take off the white gloves

[Gurv720]

After watching the Florida debate tonight I'm appalled at how the MSM continuously blackout Dr. Paul. When they actually do ask him questions its usually about insignificant junk such as will you support New? Will you run as a third party?

What I don't understand is why Ron Paul does not take off the white gloves and go after the MSM during these debates. If I were him and I had to wait 20 minutes before they acknowledged my existence with a ridiculous question about supporting Newt, I would throw it right back at them.

Ron Paul is a great messenger with a growing base of supporters but if he doesn't go on the offensive against the MSM, Obama and the three stooges, he's really going to have a hard time winning the nomination.

Thoughts? Do you think Dr. Paul would do something like this?

Jason

 

[Gurv720]

When Newt dominated John King after that question in regards to his ex-wife, he put the MSM in place and it got a lot of coverage. A lot of people watch these debates and Ron should be using it to exploit the MSM for treating him like he doesn't exist.

 

[Lord Xar]

Next time Wead does a chat with supporters, someone needs to ask this. Someone needs to really lay it out there. Ron Needs to call out the media for the CONSTANT BLACKOUT ..

infact, I am gonna email wead now.

 

[Xhin]

Media blackouts have more effect when there are fewer politicians in play. I've convinced a couple friends to research Paul purely by showing them the blatant media blackout.

If I was Paul and I was going to expose the MSM, I'd wait until the absolute breaking point so that more people would wake up in the meantime. That breaking point is a ways off, since the Paul campaign hasn't planned much for SC or FL but wants to hit the caucus states hard.

Also, as Paul starts to surge in caucus states and candidates like Newt start adopting more of his "dangerous" viewpoints, media blackout and negative commentary will seem absolutely ridiculous and ordinary people will wonder what's going on.

 

[pastore1215]

Ron is too old and too timid for this dirty business. MSM is eating his lunch and he just stands there and takes the abuse.

As for Mr. Wead, and whoever else is advising Ron, they have done a poor job.

Here is where they lost the campaign..

1. Failure to brand Ron as "the true conservative", thus allowing the toxic (in a GOP primary) "libertarian" label to stick to him.

2. Failure to close the deal with a million dollar anti-Romney attack in Iowa when we were up in every poll at one point.

3. Failure to publicise the numerous polls that showed Ron as the most electable when matched up against Obama.

4. Failure to target senior voters - choosing instead to harp on and on about "the young people"...and the "college campuses"

5. Failure to confront the MSM head on as Newt did. Tough talking Newt is winning cuz GOP primary voters hate MSM!

6. Pandering to liberals too much (thus alienating conservatives) by:

A. Erroneously claiming that blacks are given the death penalty disproportionately.
B. Claiming that illegal mmigrants are being scapegoated & opposing a border fence.
C. Appearing to support men marrying men and women marrying women. ("gay marriage')
D. Saying that the Bin Laden killing (which is a fairy tale anyway) was done improperly.
E. Failing to bash Obama as a socialist.

These are the critical mistakes and oversights that are killing us. Rand Paul would never have made these fatal errors.

I am so upset over how this campaign has been mismanaged!

 

[kuckfeynes]

A. Would love to see what piece of propaganda you drew this conclusion from...
B. Being right is tough sometimes.
C. About as conservative as you can frame it without being anti-liberty.
D. Being right is tough sometimes.
E. In recent debates I agree, but in general both sides get called out, that's why he's there.

 

[MisterTickle]

Ron is too old and too timid for this dirty business. MSM is eating his lunch and he just stands there and takes the abuse.

As for Mr. Wead, and whoever else is advising Ron, they have done a poor job.

Here is where they lost the campaign..

1. Failure to brand Ron as "the true conservative", thus allowing the toxic (in a GOP primary) "libertarian" label to stick to him.

2. Failure to close the deal with a million dollar anti-Romney attack in Iowa when we were up in every poll at one point.

3. Failure to publicise the numerous polls that showed Ron as the most electable when matched up against Obama.

4. Failure to target senior voters - choosing instead to harp on and on about "the young people"...and the "college campuses"

5. Failure to confront the MSM head on as Newt did. Tough talking Newt is winning cuz GOP primary voters hate MSM!

6. Pandering to liberals too much (thus alienating conservatives) by:

A. Erroneously claiming that blacks are given the death penalty disproportionately.
B. Claiming that illegal mmigrants are being scapegoated & opposing a border fence.
C. Appearing to support men marrying men and women marrying women. ("gay marriage')
D. Saying that the Bin Laden killing (which is a fairy tale anyway) was done improperly.
E. Failing to bash Obama as a socialist.

These are the critical mistakes and oversights that are killing us. Rand Paul would never have made these fatal errors.

I am so upset over how this campaign has been mismanaged!

Yay someone who doesn't live in the fairly tale land that we are doing well and realizes the campaign is better then 2007 but not enough to take on the Romney machine.

If Rand ran he would be president. He'd attract the RP vote.. He attracts more people then his dad does. Ron Paul is one of my heros but it was a mistake to try again in my opinion. We would have been in a much better place with Rand.

 

[pastore1215]

A. Would love to see what piece of propaganda you drew this conclusion from...
B. Being right is tough sometimes.
C. About as conservative as you can frame it without being anti-liberty.
D. Being right is tough sometimes.
E. In recent debates I agree, but in general both sides get called out, that's why he's there.

A. The "disproportionate" application of the death penalty correlates to a disproportionate commission of violent crimes. People in SC GOP don't want to hear the race card nonsense, nor do they have any sympathy for murderes - be they black or white.

B. Illegals are not being "scapegoated"....They are IN FACT putting a severe strain on state and local budgets..and they are IN FACT criminals.

C. Opposition to "gay marriage" is not "anti-liberty"...It is about a TINY minority forcing the state to force the rest of us to recognize their "marriage"...Not sayin that Ron needs to gay bash....but he should say clearly that marriage is between a man and a woman and be done with it.

D. Bin Laden died many years ago and everyone knows this "raid" was BS. It would have been advisable for Ron to just play along and have just said..."If I had been President we'd have killed him 10 years ago!"

E. We agree on that at least.

 

[Constitutional Paulicy]

Ron Paul is one of my heros but it was a mistake to try again in my opinion.

Good god.

 

[Svenskar_för_Ron_Paul]

Ron Paul is one of my heros but it was a mistake to try again in my opinion.

Right .....

 

[idiom]

A. The "disproportionate" application of the death penalty correlates to a disproportionate commission of violent crimes. People in SC GOP don't want to hear the race card nonsense, nor do they have any sympathy for murderes - be they black or white.

And you know the commission rate from what?

Oh, from the disproportionate conviction rate? I see. Makes sense now.

 

[SurfsUp]

I think he needs to take off the gloves at the debates as well. I DO think Ron can win but I'd still like to see,

TOM WOODS, PETER SCHIFF AND RAND PAUL ALL RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN 2016. WOODS AND SCHIFF WOULD VERBALLY AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY BRUTALIZE any competition.

 

[idiom]

I think he needs to take off the gloves at the debates as well. I DO think Ron can win but I'd still like to see,

TOM WOODS, PETER SCHIFF AND RAND PAUL ALL RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN 2016. WOODS AND SCHIFF WOULD VERBALLY AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY BRUTALIZE any competition.

One campaigns in IA, one campaigns in NH, one campaigns in SC, then coalesce and endorse one of them.

 

[moonshine5757]

He really shouldn't be wearing white gloves after Labor day. Geesh.

 

[european]

We would have been in a much better place with Rand.

Right .....

Hey Svenskar, the kid is still young and thinks this revolution is a sprint instead of a marathon. Don't be to harsh on him

Mr Tickle changing a meme is hard, it takes time and dedication and any growth this movement makes due to this electoral process is a win. That's why dr Paul always wins. And I really hope dr Paul wins because the meme suddenly goes exponential, this might just happen. We have reached the tipping point of 16% so all is possible. And time will tell if we make it this election or next election. The more effort is made, the bigger the odds it will happen this election cycle.

If one says that the 2007 election started with the innovators (technologists), in the last 4 years we got the early adopters (visionaries) in. And now we need to get the pragmatics in to get the early majority. And that it is all we need to get to win this republican election. Then the conservatives will join in, as will the sceptics. And from the independent and democratic side we will get the innovators as well as a big portion of the early adopters and you see them voting RP already.

This is also why I do think dr Paul will gain a lot if he makes slight adjustments to his style right now. As do we the grassroots. We got the innovaters and early adopters, now we have to focus on the early majority.

 

[moonshine5757]

I think he needs to take off the gloves at the debates as well. I DO think Ron can win but I'd still like to see,

TOM WOODS, PETER SCHIFF AND RAND PAUL ALL RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN 2016. WOODS AND SCHIFF WOULD VERBALLY AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY BRUTALIZE any competition.

That is one of the best things I've heard on the forum. Biggest complaint is that Ron Paul doesn't get enough time, but what if we stacked the decks? Oh yeah! Send up two or more candidates that preach Ron Paul's theories, and then we'll have twice as much time in the debates talking about the issues. We would be legitimizing each candidates philosophy by having two talking heads. One drops out and endorses the other. Love it! Rand and Schiff!

 

[SurfsUp]

One campaigns in IA, one campaigns in NH, one campaigns in SC, then coalesce and endorse one of them.

PERFECT idea! I think we all have to admit that those two(Woods and Schiff) are quite possibly the brainiest, most glib, witty, and best speakers ever to be on tv.

I get positive feelings just thinking that they could both be at a national tv debate on stage.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Ron is too old and too timid for this dirty business. MSM is eating his lunch and he just stands there and takes the abuse.

As for Mr. Wead, and whoever else is advising Ron, they have done a poor job.

Here is where they lost the campaign..

1. Failure to brand Ron as "the true conservative", thus allowing the toxic (in a GOP primary) "libertarian" label to stick to him.

2. Failure to close the deal with a million dollar anti-Romney attack in Iowa when we were up in every poll at one point.

3. Failure to publicise the numerous polls that showed Ron as the most electable when matched up against Obama.

4. Failure to target senior voters - choosing instead to harp on and on about "the young people"...and the "college campuses"

5. Failure to confront the MSM head on as Newt did. Tough talking Newt is winning cuz GOP primary voters hate MSM!

6. Pandering to liberals too much (thus alienating conservatives) by:

A. Erroneously claiming that blacks are given the death penalty disproportionately.
B. Claiming that illegal mmigrants are being scapegoated & opposing a border fence.
C. Appearing to support men marrying men and women marrying women. ("gay marriage')
D. Saying that the Bin Laden killing (which is a fairy tale anyway) was done improperly.
E. Failing to bash Obama as a socialist.

These are the critical mistakes and oversights that are killing us. Rand Paul would never have made these fatal errors.

I am so upset over how this campaign has been mismanaged!

Rand Paul would also advocate racial profiling, keeping a nuclear first strike on Iran on the table, keeping "under 10,000 troops" in Afghanistan and other places around the world (the "we don't need to be everywhere all the time or nowhere all the time" crap), and other outright abominations. In short, he'd sound more or less like every other stooge on stage, with the extra boost of being super boring. Did you watch any of his debates versus Conway? No substance, all partisan crap, and zero passion.

Oh, and let's not forget that Rand gets outright bullied out of controversial opinions. Remember CRA? Not only did he back down on his private property stance, he outright went all over TV the next day saying he'd have voted for it.

The mythology of Rand Paul is seriously undeserved. People have forgotten that he rode into the Senate on the coattails of Ron Paul donors and activists, while running as far as he could from Ron during his Kentucky race.

 

[fj45lvr]

channel some tom woods....

 

[SurfsUp]

Rand Paul would also advocate racial profiling, keeping a nuclear first strike on Iran on the table, keeping "under 10,000 troops" in Afghanistan and other places around the world (the "we don't need to be everywhere all the time or nowhere all the time" crap), and other outright abominations. In short, he'd sound more or less like every other stooge on stage, with the extra boost of being super boring. Did you watch any of his debates versus Conway? No substance, all partisan crap, and zero passion.

Oh, and let's not forget that Rand gets outright bullied out of controversial opinions. Remember CRA? Not only did he back down on his private property stance, he outright went all over TV the next day saying he'd have voted for it.

The mythology of Rand Paul is seriously undeserved. People have forgotten that he rode into the Senate on the coattails of Ron Paul donors and activists.

What??