Ron Paul Needs Speech Coaching...?

[mudburn]

So was the quote where Ron Paul called Reagan a "traitor" bogus?

That was a quote of a quote. Someone else was paraphrasing. That was clear based upon the words displayed on Russert's screen and how it was worded. Here's the actual quote from a transcript, Russert speaking:

You said this: “Although he was once an ardent supporter of President Reagan, Paul now speaks of him as a traitor leading the country into debt and conflicts around the world.​

So, I'd bet that RP was right; he didn't use the word traitor. Someone else did.

dp

 

[takadi]

Yea, that quote was totally unfair for Tim to use. Ron handled it well

 

[Chaos Unlimited]

I agree that he needs more numbers and specifics in his answers.

 

[homah]

I know I was shouting :o BUT IT WASN'T ALL CAPS
Sorry. But the thread was becoming a "WMD vs.No WMD" blah blah MSM-face-saving discussion.
The hell with the media and speech coaching. We've seen where they got us..Ron Paul is refreshingly human and I don't want anyone to coach him out of that.

I am seeing now where some of the confusion came from. I don't think OP meant Paul needs speech coaching in the sense he needs to sound "more presidential," he just needs to be more informed on certain issues and perhaps correct a few small things, such as saying "al qaeda" without the word "the" in front of it and perhaps having a few more numbers/figures at his disposal.

 

[homah]

Here is an interesting link from that Facebook discussion:

http://www.thebudgetgraph.com/site/...s_id=1&zenid=17341571fd89d9309b831f3c36adba22

It breaks down the budget completely. It would probably be a good starting point for getting some numbers together and determining whether eliminating the income tax is feasible. It would also be great to get the numbers from a decade ago for comparison. I'm sure some have already started on such research...I suppose this is a topic for another thread.

 

[takadi]

Here is an interesting link from that Facebook discussion:

http://www.thebudgetgraph.com/site/...s_id=1&zenid=17341571fd89d9309b831f3c36adba22

It breaks down the budget completely. It would probably be a good starting point for getting some numbers together and determining whether eliminating the income tax is feasible. It would also be great to get the numbers from a decade ago for comparison. I'm sure some have already started on such research...I suppose this is a topic for another thread.

I love that graphic.

There we go. Numbers.

 

[Alex Libman]

Speech coaching is in one's best interest even if you're not running for president. Really helps you move up in the world...

 

[pacelli]

I don't think any member of the Grassroots is being fair to Dr. Paul by saying he needs to get a speech coach. Dr. Paul is who he is-- before we discovered him, and he will be the same Dr. Paul after we discovered him. He is who he is.

Why try to change people and things that are outside of our control? It is an academic exercise at best.

I canvassed my entire neighborhood today distributing slimjims that finally came in from HQ and I feel great about it. It gave me an opportunity to meet my neighbors, most of whom I didn't even know their name. Being involved in the Grassroots movement for Dr. Paul has changed my life for the better. If we truly want to see President Paul on the MSM during every state of the union address (how proud will we be?), we must do our part. Our plan should involve honest, law-abiding Grassroots operations that WE feel good about doing. Not because we are angry, but because we feel it is the right thing to do in order to help the campaign and ultimately Dr. Paul.

I know that this thread has gone on for 9 pages and only a few have even read this far in the post, so I feel comfortable trying to offer some opinion about it.

Just think about the larger picture, because no matter how this election turns out, we are all in this struggle for freedom together. And if for one reason or another Dr. Paul does not secure the nomination, you can bet that I'll be writing him in.

 

[takadi]

pacelli, in a way, I hold the same views as you. What's the point of complaining on an online message board, it won't really change much.

It'll bother me though if this doesn't get out in the open. I think it's legitimate concern, and the majority agrees.

There's is a wealth of knowledge and data that could back up Ron's positions, he just needs to take advantage of it.

 

[Mithridates]

He needs to stop calling al Qaeda "The al Qaeda."

Al Qaeda means "The Base" in Arabic, so Ron is calling them "The The Base." Foreign policy people and terrorism experts would cringe at such a mistake. He did it again, twice, on Meet the Press today.

Well, there are a ton of loanwords from Arabic that have the article in them like alcove (al-qubba, the vault), so technically 'the alcove' means 'the the vault'. I wouldn't worry too much about that. "The Al-Qaeda" would be an acceptable short form for "the Al-Qaeda terrorists/group".

 

[Ruby Justice]

I am seeing now where some of the confusion came from. I don't think OP meant Paul needs speech coaching in the sense he needs to sound "more presidential," he just needs to be more informed on certain issues and perhaps correct a few small things, such as saying "al qaeda" without the word "the" in front of it and perhaps having a few more numbers/figures at his disposal.

Sorry. You need grammar coaching. I was gonna let it slide the first time you said it. Now you're repeating it. Pat on your head for knowing the definition of al-qaeda, if that's what you're looking for. But it is you who is incorrect.

When referring to foreign words, it's perfectly acceptable to use "the-the" when it's a proper noun. Think of a French proper noun that begins with "Le"..such as the newspaper Le Figaro. It's perfectly correct grammar to say "The Le Figaro newspaper printed blah blah blah," or "The LeCar auto is no longer made by Renault."

 

[pacelli]

pacelli, in a way, I hold the same views as you. What's the point of complaining on an online message board, it won't really change much.

It'll bother me though if this doesn't get out in the open. I think it's legitimate concern, and the majority agrees.

There's is a wealth of knowledge and data that could back up Ron's positions, he just needs to take advantage of it.

Thank you. I think it is definitely a great grassroots idea to compile a list of recent statistics and data to send off to the campaign. It might make their job a little easier considering that WE are the internet experts of the campaign (as Dr. Paul has said).

I must say I was quite surprised when he referenced a documentary in his interview with Russert. I wonder if that came from a supporter too?

I was also stunned when he didn't know about Huckabee's ad until the Fox & Friends interview. I think a little mention to the campaign as necessary to view before the interview would have been effective.

I think we just need to feel comfortable interacting with the campaign, to help them in other ways that don't involve money. Internet volunteers.

 

[takadi]

You know, I was thinking about this. I love Ron and all, but considering how much effort and money the supporters put into this campaign, his inability to bring up figures or have a complete answer yesterday was inexcusable. It makes me think that the campaign is slacking off because it feels that the grassroots will do everything for them. It just makes no sense when you learn more from the supporters or their blogs/forums/facebook groups than the official website or the man himself. And it makes me pretty angry about the whole situation

They have the money, they have the support, what the hell are they waiting for? We've complained for ages about laying out plans, fixing the website to make the issues more concise...we keep on complaining, yet the campaign just sits back sitting with their thumbs in their ass while we work our ass off to get publicity.

We've gotten Ron more media attention than the campaign has ever had. They irresponsibly spend our money on shitty or boring commercials. And then FINALLY it all caught up to them: Ron got caught naked on MTP and didn't know fundamental knowledge about one of his main issues.

The campaign better wake the fuck up. If they can't handle a simple presidential campaign, it makes me wonder how a Paul administration will fare. I'm sick of apologizing for the campaign and even for Ron when these things can easily be avoided. It makes me feel like the campaign is completely ungrateful and kicking our efforts to the ground. It's a big slap in the face

They should be kissing our feet for where we have taken this campaign, the LEAST they could have done is keep up with the bare minimum and actually LISTEN to us

 

[Craig_R]

yeah, cause Ron Paul will never gain any support talking like he has been

 

[alienpyro]

there is always room for improvement... nobody is perfect

 

[LibertyEagle]

Takadi,

I understand your perspective and quite frankly, I agree with a lot of it. However, instead of thinking that the campaign should be "kissing our feet", perhaps we should be thanking our lucky stars that we have a courageous man like Ron Paul to stand up for individual liberty and our country, in its greatest hour of need. I know you realize that people like him, in this day and age, are very rare indeed.

 

[werdd]

I like his imperfections, im not a perfect speaker, and most civilians arent perfect speakers. It's the authenticity and the message that is getting him support, america is sick of polished politicians like romney, and the huckster.

 

[emk]

Relax, people. First principles, then the action will follow.

 

[Rob]

Sorry. You need grammar coaching. I was gonna let it slide the first time you said it. Now you're repeating it. Pat on your head for knowing the definition of al-qaeda, if that's what you're looking for. But it is you who is incorrect.

When referring to foreign words, it's perfectly acceptable to use "the-the" when it's a proper noun. Think of a French proper noun that begins with "Le"..such as the newspaper Le Figaro. It's perfectly correct grammar to say "The Le Figaro newspaper printed blah blah blah," or "The LeCar auto is no longer made by Renault."

This is debateable. Many hold that preceding "the" in a foreign language with "the" in English is wrong.

 

[Revolution9]

Are any of you guys even reading anything? Stop pulling the wool over your eyes because you can't admit that Ron isn't perfect.

I love Ron Paul, but I don't treat him like a messiah or god.\

Yer a garden gnome with a yard full of lip and no ass to back it. Ron rocks. You suck..

HTH
Randy