SevenEyedJeff
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and who was on the receiving end of it all?
Rich bankers...
they are screaming "All your monetary base are belong to us"
There was no inflation from this. It is bank reserves that increased and therefore the monetary base (as there was not a corresponding decrease in currency outstanding). The money supply will increase if these reserves are either lent or invested.75% inflation in 2 months. Isn't that rate like 1640% inflation per year?
You mean no lending and no investing. The banks can also purchase securities with these reserves, which will increase the money supply (Ex. buying treasuries).yeah duh...who else is going to get it?
Do you guys know what the monetary base is....different from the money supply...the base can increase by 1,000,000,000%, but if there is no lending then no inflation will occur.
The "and devalues every dollar in circulation" phrase is not correct. Increasing the monetary base has the potential to devalue every dollar in circulation.The updated total bailout commitments add up to over $8 trillion now. This translates into a monetary base increase of 75 percent over the last two months. This money does not come from some rainy day fund tucked away in the budget somewhere – it is created from thin air, and devalues every dollar in circulation.
yeah duh...who else is going to get it?
Do you guys know what the monetary base is....different from the money supply...the base can increase by 1,000,000,000%, but if there is no lending then no inflation will occur.
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
All of the $700 billion of the TARP was/is funded via treasury auction. The spending of this money does not increase the money supply. It is not the TARP that has caused the increase in bank reserves. It is the other lending that has been unsterilized since the beginning of September. This quantitative easing is evident in looking at total Fed lending being roughly constant in the last several weeks, with non-borrowed reserves decreasing dramatically.do you think they just increased it for fun? It's in the hands of bankers with no oversight. As long as it stays there, nothing happens except the decreases you see across the board. Oil, food, real estate, stocks, etc... The bailout money isn't going to be used for lending. A lot of recipients of the bailout money are planning on using it to buy other companies. When they do, it's inflationary.
You mean no lending and no investing. The banks can also purchase securities with these reserves, which will increase the money supply (Ex. buying treasuries).
Brian
do you think they just increased it for fun? It's in the hands of bankers with no oversight. As long as it stays there, nothing happens except the decreases you see across the board. Oil, food, real estate, stocks, etc... The bailout money isn't going to be used for lending. A lot of recipients of the bailout money are planning on using it to buy other companies. When they do, it's inflationary.
Whether the resultant deposits were created by lending or investing, it is the same increase to the money supply. If $500 billion in excess reserves is invested (say in buying treasury debt), that will make a real and very sizeable impact on the money supply, even if the resultant deposits are not lent for another cycle of money creation.Yeah but the in reality how much will the have to invest before they even start to make an impact and begin inflation. Most of the inflation comes from lending,
Whether the resultant deposits were created by lending or investing, it is the same increase to the money supply. If $500 billion in excess reserves is invested (say in buying treasury debt), that will make a real and very sizeable impact on the money supply, even if the resultant deposits are not lent for another cycle of money creation.
Brian
I knew the point you were trying to make, which is why I explicitly called this out. But the fractional reserve system does not achieve nearly this amount of leverage in practice. And again, a very sizeable impact can be made on the money supply simply by investing these excess reserves (with no lending of these resultant deposits). So, what we are talking about is the difference between serious inflation (via investment of excess reserves) vs. catastrophic inflation (if the money is invested and lent several times over). Even if it goes no further than investment of the excess reserves, serious inflation (in my opinion), will result. It will be interesting to see if the Fed pulls its finger from the hole in the dam by ceasing to pay interest on excess reserves.Yeah I understand that, but my point is geared more towards your last statement. Only one cycle occurs under investment...while a possibility of near 9 cycles (well theorectically if we assume a RR ratio of 10%) can occur with lending.
Banks will invest instead of lend when it is in their interest to do so ... such as in the case where the Fed sets up an easy carry trade with minimal risk. As opposed to the risk in lending in the current economic climate.That's a huge difference, I would never see why a bank would choose investing over lending...unless it was for diversification or lending just wasn't there.
I knew the point you were trying to make, which is why I explicitly called this out. But the fractional reserve system does not achieve nearly this amount of leverage in practice. And again, a very sizeable impact can be made on the money supply simply by investing these excess reserves (with no lending of these resultant deposits). So, what we are talking about is the difference between serious inflation (via investment of excess reserves) vs. catastrophic inflation (if the money is invested and lent several times over). Even if it goes no further than investment of the excess reserves, serious inflation (in my opinion), will result. It will be interesting to see if the Fed pulls its finger from the hole in the dam by ceasing to pay interest on excess reserves.
Banks will invest instead of lend when it is in their interest to do so ... such as in the case where the Fed sets up an easy carry trade with minimal risk. As opposed to the risk in lending in the current economic climate.
Brian
As I have written in a couple of my past missives, there is the real possibility of a carry trade being setup here. The banks can borrow cheap funds as well as use existing reserves and invest in risk free treasuries. The Fed would like to encourage this as it would help bring down intermediate and longer term interest rates. But it would also provide more fuel for funding upcoming treasury auctions (which will be required) and keeping the secondary market stable (meaning low interest rates). Any yield over 0.65% is profitable now. And if the Fed pulls the payment of interest on excess reserves, it will encourage such a carry trade even more.Although I do see your point when it comes to serious inflation with investing, I just don't think there is a huge chance of that happening. I guess it really depends on what they invest in. If it's treasury bills/bonds/notes or overseas we won't see it for a while.
they are screaming "All your monetary base are belong to us"
No, the gray line is M1. The Fed has really only been creating money since September and this is credited as bank reserves, which are not part of the money supply. These bank reserves show up in the monetary base. The money supply will expand only if the banks use these reserves for investment or use them as the basis to lend new money into existence. M1 has actually been up just marginally since the beginning of September (when the Fed began "printing money"). The M1 plotted is the year-over-year percentage change. It is up about 7% year-over-year (ending in October '08).Seriously, though, it's true. Check out this graph from shadowstats: http://www.shadowstats.com/charts_republish#m3
As far as I can tell, the gray line is the spike in cash that the Fed has been printing out (inflation), and the blue line is all the credit that the banks have been contracting (deflation). Hard to say, but it looks like inflation will be the big winner in the end.