Ron Paul Love Bomb

[SteveMartin]

I think it's a great idea though I fear the MSM will just ignore it and continue to call us Anti-Semites and racists. Still, that has never stopped us before. Let's do it.

CS,

Yea...we kill three birds with one stone here:

1. First and foremost, we genuinely help people in need.
2. We give our foreign friends that support RP, and those who have already maxed out their $2300 limit (but have more to give) a place to do it!
3. We give ourselves some defensive "ammunition" against these bogus charges of anti-Semitism and racism.

I see it as a win, win, win, all around.

P.S. No group with enough public name recognition is "perfect" ideologically for what we are trying to accomplish. I did the best I could...and maybe some will say it wasn't good enough. But, I think it is good enough to work...I could be wrong...

 

[SteveMartin]

I like this idea, but the hypocrisy of Original Intent should be shown for what it is...

trashing every other fundraising effort that would send money to Ron Paul, while supporting this idea that wouldn't send a single penny to Ron Paul. Just an observation... I won't add my own opinion as to the intentions of... Original Intent--just post that for you to make your own judgements.

This is why we emphasize on the www.RonPaulLoveBomb.com website that donating to the official campaign IF YOU ARE DOMESTIC AND NOT MAXED OUT should be everyone's #1 priority.

 

[Original_Intent]

Not hypocrisy, I support this because the target date is after December 16th. Also see Steve's response above.

Also, it is because a realtively small amount ($20,000?) could reap huge dividends in PR and also a good answer to many of the attacks that have been levied against Ron Paul.

It's not about the campaign's banka ccount it is about bang for the buck, a concept that you either have not been able to get your head around or which you are willfully ignoring.

 

[ClockwiseSpark]

CS,

Yea...we kill three birds with one stone here:

1. First and foremost, we genuinely help people in need.
2. We give our foreign friends that support RP, and those who have already maxed out their $2300 limit (but have more to give) a place to do it!
3. We give ourselves some defensive "ammunition" against these bogus charges of anti-Semitism and racism.

I see it as a win, win, win, all around.

P.S. No group with enough public name recognition is "perfect" ideologically for what we are trying to accomplish. I did the best I could...and maybe some will say it wasn't good enough. But, I think it is good enough to work...I could be wrong...

Like I said, I think it's a great idea. It's one of the few ideas to come out of here that has no spin value for the MSM ( that I can see). That's why I think they will, for the most part, ignore it.
In the end though,the reactions of the MSM have had little effect on our actions, other than responding to thier attacks. So to them I say, smear us if you can, if won't stick and ignore us at your peril.

 

[SteveMartin]

OK...I've got to log off for a few hours. My daughter is coming from southern Maine with her fiancee and we are having Thanksgiving a day late.

Could someone give me a call if they see the first donation pop up at www.RonPaulLoveBomb.com... (207-532-3635)

That will make my whole day...got to start somewhere!

 

[Knightskye]

If we raise a lot, I may try to get RP to go give the checks to the groups in person.

I don't think Ron Paul can give them the check if the grassroots raised the money. You can hand a check to Ron Paul for his campaign; you can hand a check to the charity place, but I don't think you can hand it to Ron to donate to the charity.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Paul nation wrote:

A "love bomb" might make us sound like hippies to the media/GOP voters.

Yeah, well, to the uniformed we are all a bunch of hippies/commies/nazis/conspiracy kooks/gold buggers and whatever else they can throw at us anyways.

A trite phrase, but maybe a "bomb" day devoted to "Random Acts of Kindness" at the grassroots level might work.

The organizations mentioned are top down, command and control donation machines with an agenda that is (probably) hostile to our message.

 

[Julian Morrison]

It smells too much like a scam

When I first saw this, I thought "obvious scam!"

1. Who are you and why on earth should anyone trust you?
2. Why are you diverting money from RP to something completely unrelated?
3. What are these two charities (which I have never heard of), and why pick those over every other?
4. Most importantly: why ditch the traditional money bomb structure of coordinating private donations, and require all money be funneled via you?

As of right now, there's no absolutely solid indication you won't just run off with the money. RP supporters have shown they have deep pockets - I would not be at all surprised if this attracted crooks and con-artists.

After reading around, I'm less certain now it's a scam, but still if you are honest you urgently need to:

• Replace the chipin with a pledge counter.
• Refund existing payments. Ask people to make them again, directly, on the big day.
• Explain everything!

Otherwise I'm sure people will have the same sinking feeling I had.

 

[hasan]

A "love bomb" might make us sound like hippies to the media/GOP voters.

Just a thought.

exactly what i was thinking.

if you do want to give a good impression to other demographics as well though you could try and reach ppl who have imminent need such as the flood victims in bangladesh. over 3000 are dead and thousands homeless. i suggest you add a section on your website for the flood victims if you really want to show love.

 

[hasan]

there outta be some protocol for organizing ron paul chipins so that scams can be averted. if you have suggestions please post a new thread on this matter. i think AlexMerced has already done something along these lines but what we really need is protocol

 

[Original_Intent]

I think these two charities were chosen specifically to address the accusations that Ron Paul is an anti-semite and a racist.

 

[Julian Morrison]

...and they are likely to do nothing more than draw a lot of press attention to the accusations, in exactly the same way Nov 5th drew a lot of attention to Guy Fawkes.

 

[Midnight77]

But how do we determine that all the funds are going to those charities?

This is why I am so leery to trust anything outside of the official campaign. Just too many scam artists out there.

 

[liam]

I clicked on the site and got an error. When will be able to donate?

 

[liam]

could the campaign not open up another official campaign account for this charitable lovebomb so every one is happy

 

[SteveMartin]

I tried to get the official campaign's advice. But, they haven't called me back (I left a detailed message for Kent Snyder) nor have they responded to my email.

Again, I understand people's concerns about being a "scam artist," and I will take any suggestions that will help alleviate that concern....

 

[SteveMartin]

I clicked on the site and got an error. When will be able to donate?

Others have said the same thing. I sent their messages (and yours) to the web guy (Tom) and we'll see what he finds out...

Oh and...not that it helps too much, perhaps, but you do have two of the earliest meetup group organizers (group #17 and group #23) involved with this, and I am sure we can get others (maybe even the official campaign--eventually--if they ever respond) to at least vouch for our integrity.

I know this is a problem...just not sure how to solve it yet...

 

[Nefertiti]

This is simply a bad idea. You are asking non-Jews to donate to a fund that engages in religious activities, e.g.:

http://lubavitch.com/subsection.html?task=686

http://lubavitch.com/subsection.html?task=608

Now, how on earth do you expect any self-respecting and pious Christian, Muslim, atheist or any non-Jew to contribute to such activities??? This is not something that demonstrates tolerance or respect for Jews, it represents promoting their religion, plain and simple.

Jews are free to practice their own religion and I have no problem with that, but it is downright ridiculous to suggest that we must prove our lack of anti-Semitism by violating our own religious beliefs and supporting Jewish proselytizing.

 

[SteveMartin]

This is simply a bad idea. You are asking non-Jews to donate to a fund that engages in religious activities, e.g.:

http://lubavitch.com/subsection.html?task=686

http://lubavitch.com/subsection.html?task=608

Now, how on earth do you expect any self-respecting and pious Christian, Muslim, atheist or any non-Jew to contribute to such activities??? This is not something that demonstrates tolerance or respect for Jews, it represents promoting their religion, plain and simple.

Jews are free to practice their own religion and I have no problem with that, but it is downright ridiculous to suggest that we must prove our lack of anti-Semitism by violating our own religious beliefs and supporting Jewish proselytizing.

We are not contributing to that. We are contributing to their relief efforts. The Social & Humanitarian Fund does a ton of good work.

Listen, everyone is free not to contribute. If you can't see the value of this--the massive potential "bang for the buck" in terms of positive publicity--then you can't see it, that's fine.

No one is coercing anybody to do something charitable in the name of Ron Paul.

 

[Hook]

This is why voluntary charity is so much better than Federally coerced charity. People don't have to donate to causes they are against personally.