Ron Paul Libertarian 2016?
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TomtheTinker
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Run Ron Run
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Can his wife? Can his daughter? A lot more to it than just Ron Paul's health. Let him spend the remaing time he has with his family in peace. He retired for a reason.
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The best part about Ron Paul running as a Libertarian would be watching all of the #NeverTrump, "we need a third party candidate" neocons say, "hold on, no way, #NeverRonPaul either!"
Wow really? You would be so selfish to try to drag an old man, who has done more for this country in the last 100 years than anyone to promote Liberty, through the living hell of running again and dealing with all the shenanigans of a POTUS election cycle? And for what? The hopes of breaking 5%?! That is one of the most God awful and most selfish things I have seen posted in some time. Leave the man alone! Let him enjoy his retirement and family time, he has earned it and deserves it.
BTW? 5% is not enough to get elected, and it is so sad to think that the goal of the LP is to finally break 5%. It would just get another Clinton elected, just like Ross Perot.
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Do you understand enough about the political process to understand why 5% would be very important?
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http://ivn.us/2012/11/01/why-5-matters-to-gary-johnson/Nov 1, 2012 By Lucas Eaves
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Credit: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/ Gary Johnson’s latest ad is asking voters to “cast a protest vote that counts” by helping reach him 5 percent of the popular vote.
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS7vCRlDC6A?rel=0]
The Johnson’s campaign says, “5 percent of the votes ends the two-party abuse and allows Libertarian candidates equal ballot access and federal funding. ”
This not exactly accurate.
Winning 5 percent of the popular vote will not give the Libertarian candidate direct ballot access in all 50 states in the next election, as the ad insinuates. States control the election processes, and each of them have different rules regarding the requirements to have a third party candidate’s name on the ballot.
These state requirements will have to be met again in the next election, regardless of Gary Johnson’s results this year. However, as Johnson is already on the ballot in 48 states and a write-in on another (Oklahoma is the only state excluding him from the ballot), the financial rewards reaped from reaching 5 percent will most likely allow him to access the ballot in all fifty states in the next election cycle.
For many third party candidates, resources, in both time and money, prevent them from appearing on a majority of ballots. Third party candidate Ross Perot, one of the most well known third party candidates, was on the ballot in 50 states in 1992 and 1996 because he was a billionaire who had enough resources to meet all the requirements.
In terms of financing, 5 percent will radically change the Libertarian candidate’s hand in the next election. Indeed 5 percent is the milestone set by the Federal Election Commission to be eligible for the Presidential Election Campaign Fund’s grant. The amount of public funding available to the minor party candidate is based on the the ratio of the party’s popular vote in the preceding presidential election to the average popular vote of the two major party candidates in that election.
If the libertarian candidate in the 2008 election had received 5 percent of the vote, Gary Johnson would have received approximately $9.5 million from the Presidential Election Campaign Fund. As of today, Governor Johnson has raised $2.3 million for his campaign, more than three times less than what he would have started with. If he had the additional grant money, he could have been on the ballot in every state, and would have been able to pursue a larger scale campaign.
By reaching 5 percent of the popular vote, Gary Johnson will secure approximately $10 million for the Libertarian candidate in the 2016 election. For a third party candidate, this is significant and justifies Gary Johnson’s recent quest to give him five.
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So, attacking a newbie for forcing someone to do something he is unwilling to do, when the newbie has not once suggested forcing anyone to do anything of the sort, and the person in question is as highly experienced in the task as anyone in this nation, is your idea of a 'Feelgood' post?
And what proof do you have that an LP candidate will steal more lockstepping Republicans than disaffected peacenik Sanders Democrats? Any at all? Can you either back up your assertion that our Blue Republican efforts would not gain the LP more disaffected liberal votes than Republican Non-Team Player votes? Especially since Trump is just as big a neocon warmonger as McCain, Romney or Clinton, and most of the disaffected vote is anti-war?
Can you even back up your assertion that there would be enough difference between a Clinton presidency and a Trump presidency to notice?
Can you, in fact, point to credible polling that indicates that our scanty numbers are enough to overcome the massive deficit that Trump built up to date by alienating the multiple demographics that are needed in order to win the general election? And if not, is there any reason you're trying to set us up to take the blame for another Clinton Administration, when we are the people who supported the candidate who polled best in the theoretical matchup against the bitch? And the only reason Republicans are about to get their asses handed to them is they refused to listen to the only people who were telling them how to win this one, and the last one, and the one before that, namely us?
Well? Can you? Or are you just accusing the newbie of criminal selfishness over a lot of "facts" which are very much not in evidence?
Got news, Mr. Touchy-Feely. We are not the reason the Republican Party has degenerated into something that cannot and will not nominate someone unless and until they destroy any chance they ever had to win the general election. Therefore, I would thank you to stop abusing the newbies over things that are not in any way their fault.
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My original post:
The definition of force:
Ron would be in no way "forced" to accept an LP nomination, lol.
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Here's your bigger issue:
Article 15 of the LP Bylaws
I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere he switched his party to the LP, but getting him to at least express a willingness to accept the nomination would be very hard, if not impossible.
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Finally found it. It was in a Washington Times post they mentioned he's now a registered Libertarian: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/16/ron-paul-calls-donald-trump-a-dangerous-authoritar/
But yeah, being a lifetime member doesn't hurt either
It would still be impossible to get him to say he'd be willing if they chose him.
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