Ron Paul is Seriously Flawed as a Candidate.

[spiteface]

Um, I don't understand. Isn't this a list of reasons to vote FOR Ron Paul??

 

[LibertyEagle]

Um, I don't understand. Isn't this a list of reasons to vote FOR Ron Paul??

Yes. The guy sounds like a socialist to me. He can't see how anything could possibly happen without big government doing it.

 

[Lord Xar]

Well, apparently he has been around.. SO, lets find out who he supports - really, and get an article like that going....

I think we should start waging war back. Lets start creating bloggs, digging them while tearing a new ass for the opposition -- especially obama, hilllary, ghouliani, thompson etc...

This is a smart move on this guys part... and I think, or I am actually sure - we can do the same exact thing against him... serves him right..

SO, lets attack back.

 

[SpicyItalian739]

As a proud atheist, I'd VERY offended by this idiot's suppositions.

One of the reasons I respect Ron Paul so much is because he is very honest about the extent of his faith - he LIVES as a Christian unlike all of the hypochristians in government (and half of the clergy) - but he would NEVER impose his faith on others. He just derives the values of individual freedom from the creator, call him what you will.

Now as an atheist, I have NO PROBLEM with people peacefully celebrating their religious beliefs as long as they don't force me to if I chose not to. Let me elaborate - I have no issue with God on my (valueless paper) money, no issue with the 10 Commandments in courthouses, no issue with the nativity in local town squares. Why are people so scared of Christianity?

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Now for the important details of this idiot's argument against Ron Paul's statements: That this country was not created as a Christian nation.

NEWSFLASH: It certainly was! Again, even as an atheist... there is no denying this.

Apparently this guy's federally-funded public education did him NO GOOD, since he failed recognize the vast importance of Neoclassicism in the shaping of our Republic. Yes, Neoclassicism... the period where artists, sculptors, and philosophers borrowed aspects from ancient Greco-Roman arts and philosophies and filtered them through CHRISTIAN IDEALS!!!!!!

Does this guy know anything of the fore-bearers that inspired the Founding Fathers? Does he realize that Jefferson disliked the MEN that ran the churches, and not the ideology itself? It seems like he took all of these quotes directly from wikipedia, but he's never read anything else that Jefferson ever wrote!

 

[murrayrothbard]

how many?

So how large a chunk of RP's 'supporters' are really just public skool socialists that jumped on the bandwagon because it was cool?

 

[ForLibertyFight]

# He Would Abolish Federal Consumer Protection Groups Like The FDA
You think that food you’re eating is safe? Well, he doesn’t think that’s the role of the federal government to help you with that. Leave it up to someone else. He things some community groups will spring up and organize to help us fill the void. In the meantime, however, there will be no standard for determining whether something is safe to consume or not.

Who the hell is going to check consumer reports before buying food and drugs? Does he not see how easily this will be exploited with ill effects?. This is precisely the type of policy that will allow the powerful and immoral to stomp all over those who are less educated.
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Ron Paul is a Libertarian and I consider myself a Libertarian also but I do really believe that SOME agencies should not be abolished. FDA in my opinion is one of them.

 

[Shellshock1918]

The author's a moron and apparently can't think things through. Paul isn't flawed, this man just disagrees with his views.

 

[Severius]

It's obvious this guys isn't really a supporter of Paul. Everything he complained about is something we already know and support. We know he doesn't want federally funded education, neither do i. (I btw am a college student.) His quote on RP's view on the separation of church and state I completely agree with. The founding fathers were religious, In our Deceleration of Independence sites that our rights come from our Creator. RP does not however want a State mandated church, he simply wants the State to stop oppressing the freedom of religious expression. There's other logical and analytical flaws in this piece I'm just too tired to go through them all. I know you guys can spot them too.

 

[SpicyItalian739]

Nobody will need federally funded education when they don't have to pay an income tax anymore

 

[murrayrothbard]

# He Would Abolish Federal Consumer Protection Groups Like The FDA
You think that food you’re eating is safe? Well, he doesn’t think that’s the role of the federal government to help you with that. Leave it up to someone else. He things some community groups will spring up and organize to help us fill the void. In the meantime, however, there will be no standard for determining whether something is safe to consume or not.

Who the hell is going to check consumer reports before buying food and drugs? Does he not see how easily this will be exploited with ill effects?. This is precisely the type of policy that will allow the powerful and immoral to stomp all over those who are less educated.
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Ron Paul is a Libertarian and I consider myself a Libertarian also but I do really believe that SOME agencies should not be abolished. FDA in my opinion is one of them.

Umm how could killing off your customer base on purpose possibly be good for business?

The result of the FDA is exactly the opposite of its intended purpose. Many people are quick to assume a medicine is 'safe' because some bureaucrat but his stamp on it. Some people are prevented by force from taking medications that they want to because another bureaucrat refuses to put his stamp on it and are worse off. Some companies can crush competitors by lobbying the FDA not to approve competing treatments. The FDA serves to restrict choice in health thereby artificially decreasing the supply of said treatments, which must ultimately lead to higher prices for the consumers. Good for pill companies. Bad for consumers. End the FDA yesterday!


Man if i wanted someone telling what was ok, and what was not, and then FORCING me to do what they say, I would still live with my parents..

 

[nexalacer]

This guys arguments are the same shit you hear on DailyKOS. Dude is a statist, plain and simple.

 

[rodent]

First of all, I did not write this. This is a recent blog article, that has gone up on a popular social site like digg, reddit. I haven't seen it on digg yet, but I am assuming it is going to be there eventually. And I am betting that if this article gets out to many people unchecked, we are going to lose some supporters....

http://dmiessler.com/blogarchive/ro...-love-with-him-that-were-not-paying-attention

That is the article. Most of those things he is totally wrong on though, except maybe separation of church and state, that's about it though.

http://reddit.com/info/2oh4z/comments

That is the link to the comment section on reddit if you want to respond.

That guy is retarded.

I feel like all these people are just sorely lacking in understanding of economics and don't understand how liquidity issues in a non-free market caused the great depression. The New Deal did nothing for us but put us all on the wrong path.

I'm getting so disgusted with how people think in this country.

 

[jmarinara]

Pathetic. LEt's take the "serious flaws" one by one, shall we?

He Doesn’t Believe in the Separation of Church and State

Good. Neither did the founders. Show me anywhere in the Constitution where it says this or even implies it. Thomas Jefferson said it in a letter to some babtists in Virginia to show his support for a Virginia law allowing them to set up a church. He agreed with Virginia that church should influence government, but government shouldn't influence church.

He’s Not For Federally Supported Public Education

I'm so happy I want to cry. The founders didn't believe in Public Education at all, federally supported not withstanding. The constitution doesn't authorize public education. Period.

Yeah, That Means No Federal College Loans

Awwwwwwwww. College students don't get to suck up my tax money to get art history degrees in communist public universities. Seriously, God forbid someone actually work and put themselves through school . . . cry me a river. Does this guy even understand Ron Paul's basic ideas?

He’s Not For National Health Care

AND I THANK THE LORD JESUS FOR THAT!!!!!! Finally, someone who thinks that turning health care over to a government that can't even seem to run a meeting properly is a bad idea. Not to mention RP is a doctor and ought to speak with authority on this issue.

He Would Abolish Federal Consumer Protection Groups Like The FDA

Not sure if this one is actually true or not, but so what if he does? They aren't really doing a good job at what they do anyway. Lead paint on toys, bacteria in food approved by the FDA (no one ever brings up that angle). Please, I'm happy to see this giant waste of my money go away. And for the record, I hope Paul starts with the EPA. Speaking of which . . .

No More Federal Environmental Protection. If GiantFooCorp Does Something Wrong, Sue Them

Tell me folks. . .honestly, what has the EPA done to improve your life?

He’s Against Abortion and Would Like to See Roe vs. Wade Overturned

The chief reason I support the man. I would love to see this happen. I think abortionists should be jailed for their crimes. Overturning RvW and ending America's holocaust would be a wonderful thing, and the greatest day America has seen in 100 years.

He Doesn’t Believe The Evidence for Man-Made Global Warming Is Convincing

Maybe because it's, uhhh, not???

The bottomline, this guy is a Liberal Socialist who has nothing in common WHATSOEVER with Dr. Paul. Ignore him.

 

[jmarinara]

Any person who bashes Ron Paul is a crackhead leftist or a blathering neocon.

A sermon in a sentence . . . *smirk*

 

[jmarinara]

As a proud atheist, I'd VERY offended by this idiot's suppositions.

One of the reasons I respect Ron Paul so much is because he is very honest about the extent of his faith - he LIVES as a Christian unlike all of the hypochristians in government (and half of the clergy) - but he would NEVER impose his faith on others. He just derives the values of individual freedom from the creator, call him what you will.

Now as an atheist, I have NO PROBLEM with people peacefully celebrating their religious beliefs as long as they don't force me to if I chose not to. Let me elaborate - I have no issue with God on my (valueless paper) money, no issue with the 10 Commandments in courthouses, no issue with the nativity in local town squares. Why are people so scared of Christianity?

********************************************

Now for the important details of this idiot's argument against Ron Paul's statements: That this country was not created as a Christian nation.

NEWSFLASH: It certainly was! Again, even as an atheist... there is no denying this.

Apparently this guy's federally-funded public education did him NO GOOD, since he failed recognize the vast importance of Neoclassicism in the shaping of our Republic. Yes, Neoclassicism... the period where artists, sculptors, and philosophers borrowed aspects from ancient Greco-Roman arts and philosophies and filtered them through CHRISTIAN IDEALS!!!!!!

Does this guy know anything of the fore-bearers that inspired the Founding Fathers? Does he realize that Jefferson disliked the MEN that ran the churches, and not the ideology itself? It seems like he took all of these quotes directly from wikipedia, but he's never read anything else that Jefferson ever wrote!

Dude, from a Christian (me) to an athiest (you) that was one awesome post!!!!

I applaud your open mind and correct view of history. Way to go my friend, you are truly one of a kind.

 

[brandon]

Whoa you all need to chill out. You are all taking the same stance as the people you claim to be against. Why is everyone in the "you are with us, or against us" mindset. That is what got us into this mess we are in to begin with.

Criticisms of Paul are very much needed. We cant have 100% faith in someone without ever questioning things. Wake up people, dont mindlessely follow.

I agree with the guy who wrote this article on several of his points. I still support Ron Paul though. Pleaese try not to be so shortsighted. Look at things objectively.

 

[brandon]

In my opinion, Paul is far from the perfect candidate. But he is thes best option we have now. Getting Paul into office is one giant step in the right direction, then maybe we can do even better in the following elections...

 

[jmarinara]

I agree with the guy who wrote this article on several of his points. I still support Ron Paul though. Pleaese try not to be so shortsighted. Look at things objectively.

Are we talking about the same Ron Paul here?? We're all refering to the congressman from Texas who's whippin' butt in every single straw poll and is going to be president in 2009. Same guy?

Ok. . . then please tell me what point the guy made that any Ron Paul supporter would even consider a good point? We SHOULD have national health care? We SHOULD have a department of Education??

 

[brandon]

I cant believe you all would call him an idiot jsut because he is disagreeing with some of pauls stances. Wether he is right or not, he is obviously not an idiot. He can write well and is very coherent. Please try to have an open mind people. Dont stifle and degrade others opinions like this just because they differ from yours.

 

[brandon]

Are we talking about the same Ron Paul here?? We're all refering to the congressman from Texas who's whippin' butt in every single straw poll and is going to be president in 2009. Same guy?

Ok. . . then please tell me what point the guy made that any Ron Paul supporter would even consider a good point? We SHOULD have national health care? We SHOULD have a department of Education??

He denies global warming and is extremely pro-life (which is very hypocritical for a libertarian)

He also doesnt have the best understanding of seperating church and state. he voted that prayer should be aloud in public schools.

And although i dont support the dep. of education, you cant deny that right now it does play an important job in giving poor people the little bit of education they get. Without the department, will the free market even things out? not entirely.