Ron Paul is Breaking My Heart

[torchbearer]

No one is saying he has to do all that by himself. But regarding the petition, he just has to respond. That is all. It doesn't take a majority to respond. I find it rather interesting that he would refuse. We will see what he says if he doesn't, but I think he will. This is probably just mis-communication. He still has time to respond and fulfill his oath.

If we can't get Dr. Paul to respond to a legal 1st amendment petition for redress, then there is no hope that there ever will be a majority.

If you sent me a petition regarding something i'm already doing... would it make sense to repeat myself?
Have you seen the petitions? I have.
Have you signed the petitions? I have.
Have you delivered the petitions? I have.

And all those petitions are concerning things Ron has already been working on...
Makes it kind of redundant to respond to things he is already doing... It could almost be seen as an insult, like "don't these people know i'm already working on this stuff?"

 

[newbitech]

Does the constitution say you must respond to petitions?

I can see going after other congressmen to make a point - but why bother with Ron Paul who is not part of the crowd voting on unconstitutional bills?

no I don't believe the law says that they MUST respond. However, the supreme court has never ruled on this law. It is an untested concept in our liberty crusade.

If the government fails to respond now, then the government is effectively removing itself from the constitutional process. Any action the government takes to thwart the next steps in the process of the petition for redress would have to be considered and abridgement of first amendment protections.

If Dr. Paul doesn't respond, I feel like he is setting a poor example for other congressmen to follow. Dr. Paul set a high bar for himself. He is the leader of a movement. The movement wants a response to the petition. He should oblige as a public servant or at least tell us why he won't.

 

[MRoCkEd]

just don't lose sleep over this

 

[newbitech]

If you sent me a petition regarding something i'm already doing... would it make sense to repeat myself?
Have you seen the petitions? I have.
Have you signed the petitions? I have.
Have you delivered the petitions? I have.

And all those petitions are concerning things Ron has already been working on...
Makes it kind of redundant to respond to things he is already doing... It could almost be seen as an insult, like "don't these people know i'm already working on this stuff?"

yes yes no

its a formal process. its like saying, I already went to church, said my vows, kissed the bride, but why do I need to sign the marriage license?

How many times have you heard Dr. Paul give the same speech? He has been saying the same stuff for 30 years. Now he has people who are listening to him and want him to put his signature on an official 1st amendment document and he is going to be a no show? Something is wrong with that.

 

[sunshine05]

Wow, I'm surprised so many people think it's no big deal if he doesn't respond. I agree with the OP. I will be very disappointed if he ignores this.

 

[pepperpete1]

Couldn't have said it better.

no I don't believe the law says that they MUST respond. However, the supreme court has never ruled on this law. It is an untested concept in our liberty crusade.

If the government fails to respond now, then the government is effectively removing itself from the constitutional process. Any action the government takes to thwart the next steps in the process of the petition for redress would have to be considered and abridgement of first amendment protections.

If Dr. Paul doesn't respond, I feel like he is setting a poor example for other congressmen to follow. Dr. Paul set a high bar for himself. He is the leader of a movement. The movement wants a response to the petition. He should oblige as a public servant or at least tell us why he won't.

Thanks Newbitech, I couldn't have said it more succinctly.

I too thought it was just a miscommunication. That is why I called his DC congressional office for clarification. I was crushed when she (Anna) told me he was not going to respond and they did not give her a reason.

I am totally puzzled by this as I thought RP would have taken this baton and run with it.

People can still sign the petitions even though they have been served. They are looking for a million patriot's signatures. Go ahead and read the petitions and sign them if you agree with them.

I signed all seven at the April 15th gathering in DC.

 

[torchbearer]

yes yes no

its a formal process. its like saying, I already went to church, said my vows, kissed the bride, but why do I need to sign the marriage license?

How many times have you heard Dr. Paul give the same speech? He has been saying the same stuff for 30 years. Now he has people who are listening to him and want him to put his signature on an official 1st amendment document and he is going to be a no show? Something is wrong with that.

ok. Dr. Paul is really just another piece of shit. i forgot.

 

[Paulitical Correctness]

It's the grandest scheme ever!

He spent decades masking his true identity as an "honest politician" so he could one day capitalize off our distaste of government.

Go Ron, show them true colors!

 

[newbitech]

ok. Dr. Paul is really just another piece of shit. i forgot.

i don't know how you came to that conclusion from what I said. Does it make sense to you to fight for something for 30 years begging to be heard and then when that moment comes where the people are getting behind you, you go awol?

Something isn't right here. Maybe the petition is unconstitutional, or maybe Dr. Paul will respond by saying "please see campaignforliberty.com".

I can accept either and would expect the latter. But a non-response to a first amendment petition? That doesn't sound like the Dr. Paul that I voted and sent money to.

Why do you think he won't respond?

 

[RideTheDirt]

I have just one question. What are your grievances directed at Ron Paul specifically? I would really love to know.

 

[newbitech]

I have just one question. What are your grievances directed at Ron Paul specifically? I would really love to know.

this was sent to everyone in the house and senate both to local and DC offices. According to the OP, Dr. Paul's staff has stated that Dr. Paul will not respond.

We don't hold all of our government officials to the same high standard that we hold Dr. Paul. This is unfortunate, however many of us have sold out on the campaign for liberty and see a non response from Dr. Paul as a mistake by the congressman. Of course there may be valid reasons for the non-response. And then again he may yet respond.

Its just seems remarkable that he would not respond to this untested founding principle. I hope he responds despite his staff having allegedly confirmed he won't.

 

[pepperpete1]

I would like the petitions answered . Each petition is a point of Ron Paul's campaign and is the message that got RP 1.3 million votes and 34 million dollars. So an answer should be forth coming from the man with the message.

 

[RideTheDirt]

I would like the petitions answered . Each petition is a point of Ron Paul's campaign and is the message that got RP 1.3 million votes and 34 million dollars. So an answer should be forth coming from the man with the message.

So what the fuck is the problem?

 

[newbitech]

So what the fuck is the problem?

if Ron Paul doesn't respond, why should any of the other congressmen and senators?

does that answering your stupid fucking question?

 

[yongrel]

 

[RideTheDirt]

if Ron Paul doesn't respond, why should any of the other congressmen and senators?

Because he's been responding for THIRTY YEARS? Do you have some type of mental deficiency where you cannot comprehend this fact? What more do you want from the man?

Edit:does that answering your stupid fucking question?

 

[newbitech]

Because he's been responding for THIRTY YEARS? Do you have some type of mental deficiency where you cannot comprehend this fact? What more do you want from the man?

Edit:does that answering your stupid fucking question?

I have enough mental capacity to understand that this is the first petition for redress that specifically hits on the 7 major planks in Dr. Paul's 30 year platform.

This is an action by the people that Dr. Paul has been waiting for 30 years to see come to life. You say he has been responding for 30 years, yet the petition just happened THIS year. I think you lack insight and knowledge of constitution process.

When you have finished kneeling at the altar of Dr. Paul, why don't you stand up and ask him why he is seemingly leaving this constitutional process out in the cold. Better yet, why don't you grace us with your big brain and explain why the congressman would rather ignore a petition that he inspired and has his core beliefs written all over it?

And your choice of words stands out as an inferiority complex. You might want to check WebMD for some help with that.

 

[pepperpete1]

So what the fuck is the problem?

As has already been stated here, Ron Paul is only one congressman. He alone cannot bring about the corrections to the problems.

The PEOPLE are asking Congess to address the petitions to resolve the points addressed in the petitions. So why, when RP has been telling Congress on his own they have been enacting unconstitutional laws, won't he at least answer the petitions? Or get behind the people?

Have you read the petitions? Have you signed them? If all of us here and who support RP and his message were to sign them, we would have a larger voice.

I was hoping the Campaign For Liberty would be an organization that would coallesce all of the organizations who singing the same song.

Heck, at least Ron Paul could at least tell us we are doing it wrong, if that is the case.

 

[Rhys]

i still don't get it.

you had the right to petition the government and you did..

you're done, right? good work?

 

[Alawn]

You have a right to petition your government and you did. What is the big deal? You do not have a right to receive an answer from them. If every person in the country sent them one of these would you really expect them to respond to each one? File a lawsuit about an unconstitutional law or continue to write to congress. This whole idea is stupid.