Ron Paul in the Ghetto

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

Great post man, I totally agree. Liberty lovers would be shocked by how much headway they could make in the hood. I know from personal experience.

 

[parke]

I can promise you this.. I live in the south. I was a military brat. Had friends of all colors my entire life. The south is still so racially divided that it will take another 100 years to get past this shit. I dont hate many things, but I honestly hate how deeply divided people are in the south. The whites and blacks hate each other so much that it is the worst drag on our society. Seriously. While I applaud your thoughts, I live in the reality of what its like down here. It honestly sucks. Being a white guy, I never know if a black person is going to treat me like crap because of my skin color.. and what is even worse.. are the white people that expect me to be racist. After living in so many places I figured it wouldnt be so bad now. Its not.. because people arent hanging from trees anymore. Thats about where it stops. The south is still deeply segregated. This is the part that makes me the most upset. Paul offers peace, individualism.. a faith in yourself and those around you wrapped in the concept that people are good human beings. You cant fake that shit. Either you believe or you dont. The example he has set shows me that his message is worth everything we do. I live in a place that is 49% white and 49% black. My black friends that have visited me told me they have never seen so many black people in one place before. Its a pretty crappy feeling to be a good person and be judged by others. Ive been called cracker, honkey and whitey.. had to quit seeing a beautiful black woman because I worried about our safety. Im not kidding.

So while you write about how to reach 'urban' or whatever PC language, Id like to tell you from the front lines its not as easy as that. I do applaud your efforts. In order to be effective, I would focus on black churches and black leaders outside of politics. The democrat party has done nothing to champion their success. Only to create a sense of entitlement and division of family.

Take what I say like a grain of salt. I fucking hate racism. Its ignorance in the brightest suit. I have plenty of mixed race kids in my family. I love them all more than anything in the world. Overcoming the democrat party with blacks is nearly impossible. True story.

 

[basicopetsi]

It's not always safe for a white person (especially a woman) to walk through a ghetto at all, and especially when they are there to promote a Republican candidate that has been aligned as a racist in the mainstream media.

 

[carclinic]

I have known a lot of drug dealers, and never seen heroin, except once randomly in a small bag on the ground in the parking lot. It probably belonged to this dude that drove an escalade one apartment over; he never bothered any of us and his woman played with her kids out front often.

Well, that's good. I'm never in the market in drugs, so I know no dealers. My best friend lived next to a drug dealer before he moved to NYC and the guy was not a bad guy. But his girlfriend died from some sort of drug and her dead body was next door, and that was all hush hush. There was a lot of prostitution at the time too, which does bring a good element around the apartments with young girls. So, I cannot say for him that the neighborhood dealer was a nice thing to have around.

My sister is big into drugs, and though a highly functioning member of society, all the drug dealers she deals with are losers that smoke their own stuff and don't like working that much. Not the sort of dudes that will make good fathers and stuff.

do you define crime as "behavior prohibited by legislative bureaucracies?"

No, acts of theft and violence against other people. Big in the ghetto don't you know.

why do people always assign some kind of untouchable aura of indisputable appeal and value of the woman in these imagined relationships? Maybe the bitches are just intolerable!

Because they are left with the kids and a high proportion of those kids grow up messed up.

goodthinkers discuss poor kids as though some kind of consequence product of concepts and not people. Their parents too. We are talking about living people.

This comment is just hanging out there, I'm not sure what you're even getting at.

Are you telling me that the teachers' imagined superiority in this dynamic (haha bet they have a Masters degree!) is not evident to you? It is evident to the children, and thus, their reaction is an appropriate stroking of their dicks in that general direction.

Adults by virtue should command the respect of those younger than them.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

Clinik, you are the exact type of man I was talking about when I wrote on matchbooks at the mobil where I worked, "White people call 'fear of coerced inter-racial sodomy' respect for the law." I hear it in literally every argument you are making.

for example- people like weed. In a free market, demands are supplied. You seem unwilling to accept that maybe this demand is a perfectly legitimate one.

Also, "theft and violence against other people" is a crime for which the State actually bears the most guilt, and yet you seem to have invested a lot of emotion in condemning the peoples at the very bottom of the state's power structure, and their feeble property crimes.

and again- if society is going to make the argument that women have a right to abort their children, then society implicitly assigns to women a greater responsibility for the child, and thus, it is on her whether or not the fertilizer males are worthy fathers or not. You sound like one of those guys who insists that wanting to bust a nut is the same as wanting to shoulder a lifetime of diverted purposes in favor of heroic householder mustache status.


by this:

goodthinkers discuss poor kids as though some kind of consequence product of concepts and not people. Their parents too. We are talking about living people.

I mean that you do not sound like you are trying to address issues that affect living persons, but rather, are trying to justify a given moral system, or rationalize a given resource allocation strategy. Morality and education and the ideally ethical western industrial procreation strategies are great to talk about in a utopian, what-if kinda context, but we are not talking about hypothetical social arrangements- instead we actually have right now living across the nation millions of children and dysfunctional adults who are relatively incapable of contributing anything of value to any economic pursuits (like their privileged and obsolete middle-class counter-parts)- that is to say, you are using facts and figures and theoretical frameworks to talk about what is instead many stories of different people whose lives must adapt to a given system.

I tell poor folk that Ron Paul will not mess with their assistance until the market has rebounded enough to absorb and employ them- until then, the Federal Reserve bankers that he will hang for treason will fund their programs.

Also

Adults by virtue should command the respect of those younger than them.

lol

why? because they are older? This may have been true when being old meant that you had roughed it through some tough winters and survived tribal conflicts with war-painted neighbors, but today living entails no risk, no cost, and no expenditure of any energy whatsoever. So, adults can suck on my nuts if they think that balding or paunches denote worthiness of any kind of attention.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

and yo parke, that sounds very terrible where you live, and for the record I suspect that your are incorrect.

There aren't mixed kids in these neighborhoods? I thank god that the sex organs have more influence over moral positions than the spirit, since one can learn rather easily how to divide people into groups safe to hate on, but convincing the weiner- way different story.

It is very different here in NJ. I call the younger people "Aquarian children," because they seem to have no bias whatsoever until they start competing for scarce resources. Then all of a sudden mexicans are a problem, blacks are lazy and shifty, etc.

 

[carclinic]

Clinik, you are the exact type of man I was talking about when I wrote on matchbooks at the mobil where I worked, "White people call 'fear of coerced inter-racial sodomy' respect for the law." I hear it in literally every argument you are making.

I assume that I don't like violent crimes, which makes living in a black neighborhood hell, that I'm a stupid white person. Hey, if you like your own people worrying about going out at night and your kids not going to school on Halloween and other days because of overt spikes in crime, then be my guest. But, that sort of loser mentality is what holds people down in the ghetto.

for example- people like weed. In a free market, demands are supplied. You seem unwilling to accept that maybe this demand is a perfectly legitimate one.

There's demand for scat porn, but I am still justified in believing it's a degenerate activity.

Also, "theft and violence against other people" is a crime for which the State actually bears the most guilt, and yet you seem to have invested a lot of emotion in condemning the peoples at the very bottom of the state's power structure, and their feeble property crimes.

I tell my customers every day about the evils of the government. The problem is that the government robs and murders by consent, so its harder to stop. We have a mass illness among the electorate that loves big government, while the majority of non-whites are obviously not criminal like te government is. So, I pray for a revival in the inner cities. Historically, blacks in particular took care of their own. The problems that we see now are a modern thing and it does not have to be that way forever.

and again- if society is going to make the argument that women have a right to abort their children, then society implicitly assigns to women a greater responsibility for the child, and thus, it is on her whether or not the fertilizer males are worthy fathers or not. You sound like one of those guys who insists that wanting to bust a nut is the same as wanting to shoulder a lifetime of diverted purposes in favor of heroic householder mustache status.

Yes, if you don't want to get a woman pregnant then do not do somthing which by nature is for procreation.

goodthinkers discuss poor kids as though some kind of consequence product of concepts and not people. Their parents too. We are talking about living people. I mean that you do not sound like you are trying to address issues that affect living persons, but rather, are trying to justify a given moral system, or rationalize a given resource allocation strategy. Morality and education and the ideally ethical western industrial procreation strategies are great to talk about in a utopian, what-if kinda context, but we are not talking about hypothetical social arrangements- instead we actually have right now living across the nation millions of children and dysfunctional adults who are relatively incapable of contributing anything of value to any economic pursuits (like their privileged and obsolete middle-class counter-parts)- that is to say, you are using facts and figures and theoretical frameworks to talk about what is instead many stories of different people whose lives must adapt to a given system.

Well said and understood. Can't say that I agree, because my thoughts on this matter really come from my real life in the ghetto.

why? because they are older? This may have been true when being old meant that you had roughed it through some tough winters and survived tribal conflicts with war-painted neighbors, but today living entails no risk, no cost, and no expenditure of any energy whatsoever. So, adults can suck on my nuts if they think that balding or paunches denote worthiness of any kind of attention.

I consider it civility.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

degenerate activity. hahahaha

 

[Watch]

and yo parke, that sounds very terrible where you live, and for the record I suspect that your are incorrect.

There aren't mixed kids in these neighborhoods? I thank god that the sex organs have more influence over moral positions than the spirit, since one can learn rather easily how to divide people into groups safe to hate on, but convincing the weiner- way different story.

It is very different here in NJ. I call the younger people "Aquarian children," because they seem to have no bias whatsoever until they start competing for scarce resources. Then all of a sudden mexicans are a problem, blacks are lazy and shifty, etc.

+Rep This whole thread is +Rep Perfidy, you are great, great sir.

With respect to everyone in this thread, living in one, or two, or 10 'ghettos', does not let you extrapolate that to all 'ghettos'. At best you are making an 'educated assumption', but it is not as if you're going to be able to go to lengths of intellectual honesty, such as to falsify it by testing(no invariables), inducting knowledge is always problematic by nature(all swans are white et al.) and SERIOUSLY f*ck statistics.

Perfidy, I'm in Mid-central Los Angeles, I like your framework, I think I can apply it aptly here.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

I think a lot of people here do not get it because they do not smoke weed. True story- my wife and I comment all of the time on how people's relationship to the Law is just not normal or sane if they do not smoke weed. Because they go about their daily business without fear of assault and kidnapping (spare me this NDAA bullshit- none of us have ever known a guy who got disappeared) they are able to relate to the concept of Law as an extension of their own desire to be safe. In fact it is the opposite, but this is not something that their reptile brains get any training in whatsoever if they are not riding dirty.

also the social factors of marijuana culture- if you smoke, now everyone who gets high is your We. It totally destroys the 2 Party model, red/blue division and makes it about something REAL, as in, bio-chemical, not just a psychological fine-tuning in bodies of near identical states. Up round camden, the r3volution is in our blood son!

edit: sidenote- in 2007, you should have heard the room erupt in cheers when our friendly itinerant psychedelic merchant said he would pressure his friends to print sheets of acid with ron paul's face on them. The depth of joy in support for this idea was only comparable to the feelings I've gotten from the first riff of a motorhead live performance, earth-shaking kinda shit. Ron Paul will lose as long as his supporters do not understand this.

 

[craezie]

People in American ghettos don't vote in any signifigant quantity. That's just human nature. Trying to sign people up to vote in order to win an election is a losing strategy. You have to get people who are already voting to vote for your candidate. That's how elections are won.

I agree with this IF the election is about winner-take-all. These are people who must be won over eventually, and they are ripe for the message. However, they will not be won over in sufficient numbers to make a difference this time around.

EXCEPT

In places like where I live (California). Here, there are delegates awarded to each district, and the ghetto and Beverly Hills have the same say. I really hope that the groups can get it together in places like 34,35,37 &39 (all south central LA/ north Long Beach districts that are primarily industrial and "ghetto" housing) and the districts around Oakland. SOMEONE votes, even if they are few --even fewer for Republicans. The other mainstream Republicans will not be there, and this is such a huge opportunity to get delegates.

There are also mainly ethnic minority Democrat districts like CA 47, which is mostly Mexican, Vietnamese and middle Eastern that would be ripe too. The key is finding people who live in the communities and snowballing out from there.