Ron Paul in the Ghetto

[Mr. Perfidy]

But no one campaigns there, therefore, they do not vote...who steps up among them and says, "Hey I wanna represent you?"

I just walked up to my job to pick up my paycheck- I head down the block a bit to grab some cigarette filters, and notice a car parked out front that I saw miles back, in front of my apartment complex. A girl was getting in, so I said, "Yo didnt I just see your car back at (apartment complex name)?"

She was happy to be noticed and said yes- so I was faced with either turning and walking the mile or so back home, or, asking her for a ride.

"Can I ride back with you? Lemme just grab a blunt?"

She accepted happily, and I got a ride home AND a new connect out of it. I put her on my list, now that I have her number. I am home to make coffee and then I will be sampling her market offerings and discussing with her the virtues of the free market and free association, as she has so kindly demonstrated today. This will lead into a discussion of the good Dr. I am confident also that, as she is a market actor in my apartments, her own apartment is a little hub of activity that will grant me access to many more minds, each with their own hubs in many directions all over the county.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

and yo everything carclinic said is exactly why it is hard to break the ice in these demographics. Why do you imagine stupid shit about newsletters gains traction so easily? Because everyone who knows a libertarian knows one like that, who is vocal and ridiculous.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

yo he killed my thread : (

 

[Captain Shays]

I think I would be more interested in showing them videos outlining the direction of this country and forming alliances with people in "the ghetto" to fight the government WITH on my side when things fall apart. After all, many of them already have guns and a deep distrust of the "authorities" and many of them are pretty tough.
I think this country is totally screwed and it's getting to a point where just one major "terrorist attack" or one major outbreak of a pandemic or chemical attack or even a solar storm that takes out our electrical grid and it's Marshall Law time. A lot of people won't want to go along with the program and I don't want to have to fight the government and minorities. I want minorities on my side against the govenrment fighting for freedom.
So even though I would support canvassing for the liberty message my other motive would be to form coalitions.
Maybe I shouldn't be talking like this around here because I might make you guys look bad but I am very cynical these days about the direction of this country and the state of my government.
Sorry, but I am losing hope in the campaign and fixing any problems. I just want to arm up at this point, store up some food and water and get my bug out rig ready to split for my secret plce in the New Jersey Pine Barrens. I sure wouldn't mind some of the "brothers" coming along with me.

 

[Captain Shays]

For the record. In the last campaign me and a friend went into Camden with a ladder placing Ron Paul signs. The ladder was so that the anti Ron Paulites couldn't easily take down my signs.

Have you guys ever had your signs taken down withing minutes of you putting them up? That is easily counter-acted by forcing the scumbags to bring their own frigging ladder to reach your signs which they never do. lol

This is a great thread with a great idea. Too bad we're so late in acting on this becuase a little known demographic fact about New Jersey is that we have more registered independent voters than Democrat and Republican COMBINED and we could have registered a lot of people in time to make the NJ primary. I was only able to get a few in my circles.......well, I lost my job campaigning during working hours when a lady called my boss complaining about me. Oh well. I guess I can count my future losses in revenue as campaign contributions? Ron Paul would understand

 

[Voluntary Man]

As the snow flies
On a cold and gray Chicago mornin'
Another new paulite poor is born
In the ghetto

And his mama smiles
Cause if there's one thing that she don't need
It's another generation of welfare slavery
In the ghetto

People, don't you understand
New paulites needs a helping hand
Or they'll become angry disillusioned voters some day
Take a look at you and me,
Are we too blind to see,
Do we simply turn our heads
And look the other way
Well the world turns
And a new paulite's enthusiasm grows
As he canvasses the streets as the cold wind blows
In the ghetto

And his knowledge burns
So he starts to canvass the clubs at night
And he learns how to debate
And he learns how to fight
In the ghetto

Come election day in desperation
A the new paulite world all day
He back and forth he drives far,
Hauling friends to vote all day in his car
And his mama smiles

 

[Cowlesy]

No, in the US, people who live in poverty tend not to vote. Therefore it is a waste of time if you are trying to win an election by campaigning in impoverished areas.

Zanzibar, while I believe you are correct in the statistical sense about the implied cost/benefit of a sustained, money-backed outreach to low/no income urban communities, if the OP is active in the process, it behooves us to try and help out. It behooves us because a great deal people on the forum are doing absolutely zip, in fact, some even try to discourage who are doing what they can.

Since the OP is taking the step beyond phone-from-home and considering knocking on doors, what I think we should be asking is, how can we help the OP, and those who seeing his post, may be inclined to contact him to provide additional help. In one post, the OP mentions he's looking for activist tools (flyers, etc) that may be useful.

I do not assume to know what items may be most effective in outreach to these communities, but I'll at least give it a stab. I'd guess from a purely vote-getting sense, ending drug-war items would be good, from the approach of let's stop killing each other over what people decide to do with their own bodies. At the same time, I imagine the leading community activists whose approach is from a religious perspective, would appreciate Ron's personal religious views.

Maybe this is too hippie with the peace sign?

Maybe for those with their arms crossed who've heard the baloney Ron is a racist (albeit I think this would be a tiny percentage, if the target population is indeed uninterested in politics), sometimes absurdist irony is an ice breaker?

3 words, quiet simple.

For the music community within these areas, you could take screenshots of Snoop Dogg posting Ron Paul's picture with the "SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY" on his Facebook page.

While we all have different perspectives on that being a good politicking material, I contend if the OP is willing to make the push, we should at least provide suggestions for encouragement as opposed discouraging even giving it a try. In respect to the lack of a lot of people do anything period, or at worse, just sitting around discouraging people, I think giving it a shot is the best path to take.

 

[ZanZibar]

Since the OP is taking the step beyond phone-from-home and considering knocking on doors, what I think we should be asking is, how can we help the OP, and those who seeing his post, may be inclined to contact him to provide additional help. In one post, the OP mentions he's looking for activist tools (flyers, etc) that may be useful.

True, but we should encourage people to be as effective as possible, specifically working in Republican-rich areas.

I do not assume to know what items may be most effective in outreach to these communities, but I'll at least give it a stab. I'd guess from a purely vote-getting sense, ending drug-war items would be good, from the approach of let's stop killing each other over what people decide to do with their own bodies. At the same time, I imagine the leading community activists whose approach is from a religious perspective, would appreciate Ron's personal religious views.

Again, if we are trying to win a REPUBLICAN primary then we have to go where the Republicans are and market to Republicans in Republican language.

Maybe this is too hippie with the peace sign?

Maybe for those with their arms crossed who've heard the baloney Ron is a racist (albeit I think this would be a tiny percentage, if the target population is indeed uninterested in politics), sometimes absurdist irony is an ice breaker?

3 words, quiet simple.

For the music community within these areas, you could take screenshots of Snoop Dogg posting Ron Paul's picture with the "SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY" on his Facebook page.

All of the above images above hurt Ron Paul in a Republican primary.

While we all have different perspectives on that being a good politicking material, I contend if the OP is willing to make the push, we should at least provide suggestions for encouragement as opposed discouraging even giving it a try. In respect to the lack of a lot of people do anything period, or at worse, just sitting around discouraging people, I think giving it a shot is the best path to take.

Again, we want people to be effective, not just spinning their wheels. If they want to put out the effort that's great, I just want that effort to bear fruit.

 

[lysol5555]

These people are brainwashed. They have lost human dignity and instead try to rely on other people. It is actually really sad. The results of dependency on government programs that claimed to help them.
We need to teach them the dignity of honest work. Any honest work is sacred as long as you work hard. You are respectable if you do the best with what God has given you.

 

[PaleoForPaul]

No, in the US, people who live in poverty tend not to vote. Therefore it is a waste of time if you are trying to win an election by campaigning in impoverished areas.

^^This.

Take a look at what is required in bad NJ neighborhoods to get turnout during a general election, nevermind a Republican primary (lol). In 2004 I remember seeing the moveon.org van in Irvington physically going from street to street and ringing doorbells to try to get people to vote.

Also, for the most part nobody bothers worrying about primaries in NJ because usually primaries are over by the time NJ rolls around. What happened in 2008 with the democrats and is happening now with the Republicans is atypical.

Still, the OP has a good point. Certain libertarian philosophies mesh well with black culture.

 

[PaleoForPaul]

Im originally form Newark Nj, I lived there 18 years in the "ghetto" which is a collectivist term, it is either the city or not. Ghetto is a horrible word.

rofl.

Stop resisting black people and turn your white guilt into passion for the RP campaign

This makes no sense.

 

[carclinic]

The clue train you missed was Mr. Perfidy's explanations that capitalism is alive and well and in its rawest, purest form in the ghetto.
If anything, they understand BETTER how to make a buck than your average business owner. They know that taxes and regulation only serve to get in the way of their ventures. The message we offer - "We want to stop throwing you in prison for running businesses" - would be received well.
Drugs exist out side the legal framework of running a business because they're illegal.
If you remove that legal framework, and make it so that running ANY business follows the same model that they're using for drugs, then you're going to see other businesses crop up in the ghetto, guaranteed.
Put simply, they're not "hardworking" because hardworking as you define it is "enjoying having the state's dick firmly lodged in their mouths".

Dealing drugs and "protection" are not honest livings. They are seen as ways of making easy money taking advantage of people's problems. It does not mean it should be illegal, but no dope dealer knows more about making "an honest buck" than a regular small business owner who deals with real government regulations that impede us (while the illicit drug trade is unregulated.)

Drug dealers are not hardworking nor enterprising.

First of all, don't pretend like drugs and sex are immoral in and of themselves. If that's the case then the fact that I fucked my wife and had a beer with her afterward last night mean I'm no better than the people you decry. And I'm Irish and she's German and Slavic.

You're all tough now white boy because you have relations with your wife?

Serial womanizing is immoral, and that is typical of the 70%+ illegitimacy rate of the ghetto. The lack of fatherhood is probably the greatest problem we face.

And those teachers are the sum of the problem. Hey look, this system is failing miserably - it can't possibly be the system to blame, so it has to be the teachers! All we need is to find someone who cares enough!
Bullshit. All we need to do is tear down those programming centers and leave them to themselves.
If someone in the ghetto can make a buck knowing where the pyramids are, he's going to learn it. The only reason for him to know it before that is either out of intellectual curiosity, or because some mean old bat expected a pavlovian response to "where are the pyramids" during year four of their obedience conditioning. Which conditioning I'm pretty sure they can see right through... that, I believe, is the problem.

No, if you have no intellectual curiosity beyond getting your balls off and getting your drink on, then you're a caveman.

I can completely understand why they do it. Education isn't even pretending to be education. It's a bunch of unrelated facts and figures that get dumped into your head. If you memorize them, you get a gold star. If you don't, you get a frowny face.
There's no effort to get them to think for themselves or otherwise relate to anything meaningful in their lives. How come nobody in the ghetto thinks to teach electronics by repairing someone's fucked up XBox laser (and saving that kid $300), or teach chemistry by learning how to reload 40sw cartridges? Because education isn't the point, is why.

1. Please try to use correct English, stop pretending you're not white.
2. Education is not supposed to be fun all the time. That's just unrealistic nor is it good pedagogy. It just goes along with our shallow shopping mall instant gratification culture.

What is "civilized"? Seems to me like you're defining it as "having successfully completed the state's bald-faced youth conditioning, refraining from basic pleasures in life, and working hard (although not necessarily smart)".

Civility is making an honest living, taking care of one's family, helping out one's community, and showing common decency towards people. It does not mean being perfect, but in the ghetto when someone jacks your car its not even a surprise. People just say "wrong place, wrong time." That's BS. People should not be stealing your car, it should not be an expected part of life. We need to have some expectations for ourselves as human beings.

The brilliant thing about what Mr. Perfidy is doing is that he's working within the context of what you claim is the source of their ills.
If we ignore what we consider to be immorality (it is not, necessarily), ignore what we consider to be crime (it probably isn't), ignore what we consider education (ditto), and focus on the fact that the state is actively fucking them and they know it, that can translate into votes.

I'm all about winning votes, but blacks don't hate the state. They are like evangelical Christians. They want an all powerful government to do everything they want, but are all pissed that the state granted such powers F***s them. So, they are no more anti-state then a gay marriage hating Santorum-lover.

We need people to wake up and see that the state is incapable of being fair or just. Segregation, slavery, anti-drug laws, bad education---these are all state institutions. The state can only be "good" to you by robbing someone else. If we should have a golden rule for foreign policy, we should have a golden rule for domestic policy. Don't rob from me to pay for you because you wouldn't want me doing that to you. Plain and simple.

However, blacks haven't intellectually reached that point, and the same is true for the majority of the gay-hating, SS & medicare loving society. Bone Thugs & Harmony's First of da Month can only become a hit back in the day due to the mass ignorance that exists. Just because blacks hate the police, it does not mean don't love a powerful government "getting back at the white man" when it reality it only robs the middle class of all races and not the plutocrats.

Yeah, I grew up thinking this.... and every single black person I've interacted with in my adult life has surprised me. Hm... I wonder how I learned as a kid to fear people who spurned the path I was on, that path the state anointed as correct?

You obviously grew up in an all white town. So did I. The difference was I didn't believe any of these things until I was an adult and spent 2 years in Manhattan and the Bronx. Even though my best friend, heck he's my brother, is hispanic that does not mean that I don't see much of what I'm talking about amongst a lot of other people.

My advice to you is move into a black neighborhood and see why a lot of black people want to MOVE OUT!

 

[carclinic]

and yo everything carclinic said is exactly why it is hard to break the ice in these demographics. Why do you imagine stupid shit about newsletters gains traction so easily? Because everyone who knows a libertarian knows one like that, who is vocal and ridiculous.

Yet you cannot name a single thing that I said which is untrue. Funny how that is.

I love all people. I don't like ghetto culture. Not that I like American culture either. I'm just critiquing what I see.

 

[carclinic]

These people are brainwashed. They have lost human dignity and instead try to rely on other people. It is actually really sad. The results of dependency on government programs that claimed to help them.
We need to teach them the dignity of honest work. Any honest work is sacred as long as you work hard. You are respectable if you do the best with what God has given you.

True. We need to reach out on an individual level to the kids and help the families. We need to be friends to people that need help.

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

carclinic, I think you are a troll, and suspect that you truly love rick santorum, because if you are a ron paul person, then I would make efforts to denounce you and separate myself from your particular brand of self-righteous, eurocentric vitriol. But nonetheless, I will humor you for another moment or two and argue some of the total crap you are dribbling...

Dealing drugs and "protection" are not honest livings. They are seen as ways of making easy money taking advantage of people's problems.

Why is it problematic that one should want to get high? There are cannabis receptors in your brain son- god or evolution installed those to one end- G.E.T. H.I.G.H. That is why they are there. So why would it be some kind of moral riddle to stimulate them? I argue that drug dealers are MORE ETHICAL than regular business people, as they risk their freedom and ignore conventions in order to supply demands that the law deems illegitimate, yet nevertheless persist as human desire. I know I count my dealers among the best people that I know, and they help me more than any other service provider.

It does not mean it should be illegal, but no dope dealer knows more about making "an honest buck" than a regular small business owner who deals with real government regulations that impede us (while the illicit drug trade is unregulated.)

?? Huh? I do not see how you could say that drug dealing is not an honest living, in the sense that it requires individual labor and risk without necessarily violating anyone else's property. On main street, if I want to sell say, bubble gum, I pay rent to a store owner knowing that if anything happens on the property, he is liable- I buy bubble gum from a vendor knowing that if his product is defective, the courts will hear my arguments and award me compensation. I sell bubble gum to customers knowing that I can call the police to protect me from being robbed.

If I sold dubs on main street, I cannot participate in any property ownership relationships, and therefore everything is riskier; my vendor suppliers might sell me poison or nothing, and so I must take care to develop commercial relationships based on personal reputations and endorsements and incentives to fairly honor contracts. If I am cheated, I must rely on my own personal force to make things right and bank on the fact that the other parties can rationally assess the damages I am capable of afflicting, and weighing this against the cost of compensation. My customers can just rob me with impunity, as I am afforded no police protection.

So- what is dishonest about that? How is selling Lottery Tickets inherently more legitimate?

Serial womanizing is immoral, and that is typical of the 70%+ illegitimacy rate of the ghetto. The lack of fatherhood is probably the greatest problem we face.

haha yo man you're gonna hafta have this conversation with your mama, because I bet that you are actually the bastard son of some hypocrite slick-talking bible-salesman. Gtf outta here with that bro- tight-asses have been making this argument since there was monogamy. Obviously not having male role models is not good for a developing child, but to go from that to, "serial womanizing is immoral" is quite a jump- I wager that many of the men you admire are serial womanizers.

'm all about winning votes, but blacks don't hate the state. They are like evangelical Christians. They want an all powerful government to do everything they want, but are all pissed that the state granted such powers F***s them. So, they are no more anti-state then a gay marriage hating Santorum-lover.

if I were to make a list of people that the folks in my neighborhood tend to hate on and avoid/hide from, it would read:

Child Services
Probation Officer
The Judge
The Public Defender
The Police
Teachers and School Faculty
Workers at the DMV

see a pattern?

We need people to wake up and see that the state is incapable of being fair or just. Segregation, slavery, anti-drug laws, bad education---these are all state institutions. The state can only be "good" to you by robbing someone else. If we should have a golden rule for foreign policy, we should have a golden rule for domestic policy. Don't rob from me to pay for you because you wouldn't want me doing that to you. Plain and simple.

exactly dingus...why should this argument not be made to the people that you allege clamor for other people's resources?

However, blacks haven't intellectually reached that point,

haha dont people get banned talking like this? What institution or entity goes around to all black people and assessing the points they can score with intellect?

1. Please try to use correct English, stop pretending you're not white.

hahah wow dude.

you ever hear of Huck Finn?

2. Education is not supposed to be fun all the time. That's just unrealistic nor is it good pedagogy. It just goes along with our shallow shopping mall instant gratification culture.

I dont think anyone has made the argument that tests in black school districts are bad because "school is not fun." The argument is that the tests are made by racist assholes for the purpose of passive-aggressively demonstrating white supremacy. The kids in the school know that and rightly conclude, "fuck state testing and fuck this." They also may observe something like, "Yo everyone I know is unemployed, college, HS diploma- aint no work no matter. Fuck school."

Civility is making an honest living,

a lot of GOP folk put soldiers and cops in the category of honest living makers. The same kinda people who typically dismiss the free market as it survives in unregulated poor neighborhoods. When I need amoxicilin, I buy it in Philly from a girl that also sells weed.

taking care of one's family, helping out one's community, and showing common decency towards people. It does not mean being perfect, but in the ghetto when someone jacks your car its not even a surprise. People just say "wrong place, wrong time." That's BS. People should not be stealing your car, it should not be an expected part of life. We need to have some expectations for ourselves as human beings.

dumb. No one says, "Shit my car is gone- oh well- it was parked in the ghetto. Guess ill find that bus schedule." You are assigning your own steteotypes as real human reactions, when in fact they do not happen that way. My house has been robbed, and nobody in the neighborhood told me, "well you shouldnt live here, duh." We formed patrols and shit, impromptu courts and evidence searches and interrogations.

No, if you have no intellectual curiosity beyond getting your balls off and getting your drink on, then you're a caveman.

My favorite kind of elitism is when people assume personal responsibility for all of the advances that they arbitrarily enjoy despite no contributions to these discoveries in any way at all.



thanks to the people trying to help though- I am still looking for compilations of RP quotes/videos of him talking about the racist rate of incarceration for drug crimes, his reversal of his stance on the death penalty bc of its racist applications, etc. I have seen some good stuff and thought maybe someone has already compiled it for such a target audience.

 

[WilliamC]

Off topic, couldn't resist, sorry to anyone who actually drives a Yugo...

 

[carclinic]

Dude, I've been following Ron Paul since 06, which isn't forever but no, I am not a Santorum supporter. I just am not a fan of anti-social behavior that is growing in this country.

 

[carclinic]

Why is it problematic that one should want to get high? There are cannabis receptors in your brain son- god or evolution installed those to one end- G.E.T. H.I.G.H. That is why they are there. So why would it be some kind of moral riddle to stimulate them? I argue that drug dealers are MORE ETHICAL than regular business people, as they risk their freedom and ignore conventions in order to supply demands that the law deems illegitimate, yet nevertheless persist as human desire. I know I count my dealers among the best people that I know, and they help me more than any other service provider.

Selling heroin is not a moral act, as it ruins people's lives. Just like those people who waste your time trying to get you to switch long distance providers. Getting high kills braincells and is a selfish act. Higher drug use is often correlated with higher rates of depression and suicides. So I don't think it is a good thing, but you're probably so biased that you cannot at least admit that it is not a positive behavior.

?? Huh? I do not see how you could say that drug dealing is not an honest living, in the sense that it requires individual labor and risk without necessarily violating anyone else's property. On main street, if I want to sell say, bubble gum, I pay rent to a store owner knowing that if anything happens on the property, he is liable- I buy bubble gum from a vendor knowing that if his product is defective, the courts will hear my arguments and award me compensation. I sell bubble gum to customers knowing that I can call the police to protect me from being robbed.

Being that most violent crimes surropund the illicit drug trade, I maintain that it is not an honest living.

So- what is dishonest about that? How is selling Lottery Tickets inherently more legitimate?

It's not, it's just less deadly.

haha yo man you're gonna hafta have this conversation with your mama, because I bet that you are actually the bastard son of some hypocrite slick-talking bible-salesman. Gtf outta here with that bro- tight-asses have been making this argument since there was monogamy. Obviously not having male role models is not good for a developing child, but to go from that to, "serial womanizing is immoral" is quite a jump- I wager that many of the men you admire are serial womanizers.

Hey, I don't know whether my fathe ris my real dad or not, but I would have liked to have 2 parents growing up. Hence, I know first hand that douches that cheat on their spouse and don't commit have no business having children. Sadly, that is just a part of reality and we cannot do anythign about it. But, we should not be pretending it is a positive good.

if I were to make a list of people that the folks in my neighborhood tend to hate on and avoid/hide from, it would read:

Child Services
Probation Officer
The Judge
The Public Defender
The Police
Teachers and School Faculty
Workers at the DMV

see a pattern?

Try hiding from the EBT people then.

exactly dingus...why should this argument not be made to the people that you allege clamor for other people's resources?

Not exactly sure why you must resort to personal name calling, but yeah, go ahead make my argument to people. I just think that intellectually people cannot separate the fact that they like getting freebies, but the gov't that gives freebies can take things away form you.

This is because state coercion is a matter of morality, and if it is not understood in moral terms, then it's just a matter of selfishness (Wanting the gov't to be exactly the way it would suit yourself best and not society as a whole.)

[quote[haha dont people get banned talking like this? What institution or entity goes around to all black people and assessing the points they can score with intellect?[/quote]
-1 for quoting out of context. Obviously I was speaking of cultural values, which when taken as a whole, seem to be quite obvious if you know the political leanings of any black people. To be honest, most black people will vote for the black guy no matter how bad a candidate he is if the other candidate is white. That is not some genetic defecit in intelligence, but it is a major cultural intellectual deficit, bet your ass on that.

hahah wow dude.

you ever hear of Huck Finn?

You mean from 150 years ago? That white dude's family immigrated here after then.

I dont think anyone has made the argument that tests in black school districts are bad because "school is not fun."

No, that is the argument being made. Not everything you learn is immediately relevant to your life. You can't always doll it up.

The argument is that the tests are made by racist assholes for the purpose of passive-aggressively demonstrating white supremacy.

Now that's just retarded.

The kids in the school know that and rightly conclude, "fuck state testing and fuck this." They also may observe something like, "Yo everyone I know is unemployed, college, HS diploma- aint no work no matter. Fuck school."

No, the kids are lazy bastards. I've seen teachers try to give kids money to do stuff and they won't. Why bother? They get everything for free anyway.

a lot of GOP folk put soldiers and cops in the category of honest living makers. The same kinda people who typically dismiss the free market as it survives in unregulated poor neighborhoods. When I need amoxicilin, I buy it in Philly from a girl that also sells weed.

Being a mercenary is not an honest living.

dumb. No one says, "Shit my car is gone- oh well- it was parked in the ghetto. Guess ill find that bus schedule." You are assigning your own steteotypes as real human reactions, when in fact they do not happen that way. My house has been robbed, and nobody in the neighborhood told me, "well you shouldnt live here, duh." We formed patrols and shit, impromptu courts and evidence searches and interrogations.

Dude, happened to my sister-in-law. And the same thing when one of her friends were killed. Happens all the time. Such low friggin' expectations.

My favorite kind of elitism is when people assume personal responsibility for all of the advances that they arbitrarily enjoy despite no contributions to these discoveries in any way at all.

That does not make sense. Having an intellectual curiosity about the world beyond physical stimuli is what separates man from beast. But, many men are beastin', don't you know?

 

[Mr. Perfidy]

Selling heroin is not a moral act, as it ruins people's lives.

I have known a lot of drug dealers, and never seen heroin, except once randomly in a small bag on the ground in the parking lot. It probably belonged to this dude that drove an escalade one apartment over; he never bothered any of us and his woman played with her kids out front often. They probably got food stamps, but then all of the cops that hung out where I worked overnight also bragged about their wives' welfare and unemployment fraud also. Anyway why do you immediately equate "drug dealer" with HEROIN? I saw motorhead last march- only the diligent work of a caring drug-dealer was able to put that into proper context, bumpity bumpin all night.

Getting high kills braincells and is a selfish act.

haha this trip. "People who get high dont care about stuff and people like ME- I take my life SERIOUSLY! I respect things of value!" hahahaha

yo living kills brain cells dude. Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

Higher drug use is often correlated with higher rates of depression and suicides. So I don't think it is a good thing, but you're probably so biased that you cannot at least admit that it is not a positive behavior.

nope. I actually define human culture as "social drug use." And Im mad cultured son!

Being that most violent crimes surropund the illicit drug trade, I maintain that it is not an honest living.

hahaha

do you define crime as "behavior prohibited by legislative bureaucracies?"

I will add that like heroin, despite knowing many drug dealers and moving comfortably among various contraband markets, I have seen almost no violence in this time.

Hey, I don't know whether my fathe ris my real dad or not, but I would have liked to have 2 parents growing up. Hence, I know first hand that douches that cheat on their spouse

you left my mother!

why do people always assign some kind of untouchable aura of indisputable appeal and value of the woman in these imagined relationships? Maybe the bitches are just intolerable!

and don't commit have no business having children. Sadly, that is just a part of reality and we cannot do anythign about it. But, we should not be pretending it is a positive good.

goodthinkers discuss poor kids as though some kind of consequence product of concepts and not people. Their parents too. We are talking about living people.

No, the kids are lazy bastards. I've seen teachers try to give kids money to do stuff and they won't. Why bother? They get everything for free anyway.

are you telling me that the teachers' imagined superiority in this dynamic (haha bet they have a Masters degree!) is not evident to you? It is evident to the children, and thus, their reaction is an appropriate stroking of their dicks in that general direction.

 

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But how can we be expected to compete with the likes of a Mitt Romney...