Ron Paul in the Ghetto

If you're trying to get votes, you have to go where the voters are... that typicaly means the suburbs.

in any population, the suburbs take up a huge amount of space and have maybe 2 voters in each house. In the proletarian apartment villages, in a very small area, there are hundreds and hundreds of potential voters- that they dont vote now is BETTER FOR US, because we are not wasting our time and energy on small numbers of contested fence-sitters, we are fielding fresh troops from every corner. It can't be defeated if all of a sudden there are a thousand new voters in a district with the same agenda.

I wrote and distributed/spit this in Philly at the occupation, and it was generally well received. It is an appeal to the socialist leaning kids toward free market education, and something similar will I believe work as a ghetto campaign strategy.

The great depression,
my bong is empty.
Roaches broke up,
even my resin's left me.
But Ima get a Twenty.
my man Andy
got fat dubs.
Competitors
be sellin no drugs
cuz his prices
affordin' mad love.
My man Andy
got that quality.
The market tests it
regularly.
Enthusiastically.
Unelected,
self-appointed,
consumer body.
I got 20 bills
for a ballot.
Pinch my bag
or gimme shit
and trip
and you can't
have it.
I am regulation
and inspection,
weights-
and-measures.
because I am inherently
invested
in my own protection.
I got the empty hand,
so supply my demand-
I thought you kids of all people
would by now understand-
if you gettin' high,
it's because a capitalist planned.
my man andy
got the hook-up,
he has ill shit.
But he don't work
for free kid,
he a capitalist!
*for real people- no shortage of people on the block competin to meet our demand; we negotiate exchange rates and opportunity cost, assume risk, and traffic in commodities. We don't need regulations where we have reputations- if you're gettin high, you're a capitalist too*
 
Mr. Perfidy, I see you are from NJ. Would you be referring to certain areas of Union, Essex, Hudson, and Camden County?
 
i am in camden county, and went to Rowan for like 8 years, so I know a lot of Gloucester county people also. I was raised however in monmouth county, so I am also familiar with some circles up there, and into NY through friends that radiated northward rather than down here after graduation.
 
. It can't be defeated if all of a sudden there are a thousand new voters in a district with the same agenda.
People in American ghettos don't vote in any signifigant quantity. That's just human nature. Trying to sign people up to vote in order to win an election is a losing strategy. You have to get people who are already voting to vote for your candidate. That's how elections are won.
 
I think all the problems you mention branch off of Education. I grew up in a black neighborhood (im white), and went to a almost all black middle/high school. I was far from the richest boy in school but i wasn't the poorest. I learned nothing in school, not a damn thing! I went, but i never listened because i didn't have to, the test where pretty much common since. I know have a college education and can understand when obama, santorum, gingrich, and mittens are full of shit. I can understand why the welfare state only hurts myself, and others. I may have never made it out of the trap that the government set up, this i have the military to thanks. Our government, and the lack of educated people in this country, is who we need to thank for the economic/liberty disaster we are currently in.

http://news.yahoo.com/people-arent-smart-enough-democracy-flourish-scientists-185601411.html -A interesting read
 
People in American ghettos don't vote in any signifigant quantity. That's just human nature. Trying to sign people up to vote in order to win an election is a losing strategy. You have to get people who are already voting to vote for your candidate. That's how elections are won.

I dont know man- we have a pretty dedicated and hardcore group of old-school libertarians and constitutionalists around here that make a go in every local election cycle, and none of them have won since I have been involved (2007 or so). It is because they spend all of their time chasing down the 60 voters from the last election, and spend no time on the thousands of people who share a fear of the abuse of the state and have yet to be approached by anyone claiming to represent them.
 
I dont know man- we have a pretty dedicated and hardcore group of old-school libertarians and constitutionalists around here that make a go in every local election cycle, and none of them have won since I have been involved (2007 or so). It is because they spend all of their time chasing down the 60 voters from the last election, and spend no time on the thousands of people who share a fear of the abuse of the state and have yet to be approached by anyone claiming to represent them.
Do any Republican primary campaigns actively campaign in the ghetto?
 
that is what I am saying- no, despite the fact that in our state, any registered voter without a Party affiliation (a lot of them), can just go declare a party on the day of the primary, for the purpose of putting up their own candidate. Its a built in mechanism by which we can hijack bullshit establishment hacks.
 
Im originally form Newark Nj, I lived there 18 years in the "ghetto" which is a collectivist term, it is either the city or not. Ghetto is a horrible word.

I was just thinking today how racist my current town is and if I could ever escape the stigma of being a 4.0 college black kid in the "ghetto". Listen its not bad or dangerous.

When I lived in Newark Mormons went door to door everywhere asnd approached us when we were in very shady places, trying to convert us, and they had me in their church, a roughneck black kid.

And they were mostly racist themselves.

Stop resisting black people and turn your white guilt into passion for the RP campaign

Grow a sack.

That is all.
 
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nah man there are ghetto areas of the suburbs- maybe where you are now does not fit this pattern like in south nj, but maybe 10 years ago they started moving people out of the public housing and apartments in the cities (with Eminent Domain abuse) and relocating the populations to little villages in regular suburbs. Now, every town or so has the mortgage-holding fenced-in-yard populations, and then somewhere on a main road, a series of apartment complexes reserved for people on various forms of public assistance.

also note the emergent "Drug Zone" laws and the mad racist law enforcement policy surrounding them. There are cops in Camden who are LITERALLY PAID TO KEEP WHITE PEOPLE OUT OF TOWN! That is a ghetto in the most literal and horrible term, as in, Warsaw Ghetto, a neighborhood designated by the State as populated with criminals and forbidden to right and lawful citizens. Police Departments in south jersey now get EMails from the Camden City cops whose surveillance notice suburbanites in parts of the city- the local police are alerted that someone in their area is visiting "drug zones." Maybe I am reaching here, but I would wager that in a few years, this idea will expand, and "drug zones" will just become code for, "black people areas." Certainly the people in my area lead me to believe that they would accept this as totally logical and not at all problematic. After all, the incidents of kids under the influence demands of citizens an increasing vigilance.
 
I should add a personal anecdote- maybe a year ago, at a liberty-minded, but not ron paul centered area presentation (regarding Agenda 21), I spoke to 2 John Birch Society members about how they are ignoring the poor neighborhoods in their canvassing, ignoring all renters really, as if they do not matter or cannot understand what might be happening. I added that this would bring in the blacks that they themselves claim to wish were more present at meetings.

Both of these men physically retreated as I spoke to them (I knew both personally, so I wasnt just a weird stranger). One of them backed up until he bumped into desks and had to cease retreating. The other excused himself, went to the bathroom, and shit! For real- I went in there to see if my idea did in fact scare the shit out of him, and sure enough- literally did.
 
People in American ghettos don't vote in any signifigant quantity. That's just human nature. Trying to sign people up to vote in order to win an election is a losing strategy. You have to get people who are already voting to vote for your candidate. That's how elections are won.

That's American nature not human nature.

In New Zealand our turn out is 76-90% of the population. The 'States only have 30-50%.

The Salvation Army has a slogan, "Go for souls and go for the worst". Prisoners can't vote, but ghettoes are close enough. These populations have been systematically criminalised, exploited, defrauded and persecuted. It is the natural place for us.
 
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We are going to lose this war because we have a ticking demographic time bomb, that barring a revival among the lower SES deographic an atypically large proportion:

-Not hardworking
No one is going to starve by not taking food stamps, at least for now in America. I run into homeless people all the time that are not in-want for food. They want drugs and alcohol maybe, but not food.

So, if you have this mentality that everything is owed to you because you are "oppressed," how are you going to be a functioning member of society that will work a job and help people other than yourself in your community?

-Are lax morally (drugs, sex, crime, not respecting their elders, no parents at home)
I'm not going to waste time quoting statistics, you know its true. It isn't normal that if you're a male your whole life should be about smoking weed and getting laid. That's an extremely selfish and worthless life. Yet, that IS the average black male in the United States. My brother is marrying into a black family and that is the case. My best friend is hispanic, and they are not as much as a weed culture, but they love partying and getting laid, pretty much all of them. That's why they don't have stable families nor the careers necessary for self-directed social uplift.

So what's the alternative? The immoral decision to be a government parasite, just like the plutocratic thieves that make up our mostly white/jewish/asian upper class.

-Enjoy being uneducated
Chris Rock probably said it best that, "A ****** loves not to know." I was teaching tenth graders that did not know where America was on a map. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM. I mean, come on, you are not the least bit curious about where we live, where the pyramids in Egypt are, etcetera? These kids grow up watchng movies (because let's get real, movies and TV ARE HUGE in the ghetto) about teachers that magically make all the kids smart all of the suddent, unleashing their "hidden talent."

As for me, I have no hidden talent. I bump along, working hard to learn everything I know. However, if I had this mentality that someone else can magically turn a switch in me and I didn't have to apply myself, I'd be just like the vast majority of my former students.

So, these kids blame everyone but themselves for the fact that they are uneducated, and because it hurts ones feelings to have a defecit in something, it is easier just to as a subculture discount education as a whole.

Now, I never saw kids pick on the kids that liked to learn. In fact, they were quite supportive of such students, who they viewed as a curiosity...


AND THAT'S MY POINT. It's not that blacks, hispanics, or anyone who is "poor" is necessarily bad for not emulating the behaviors and ethics of a civilized society which is crumbling among all social classes. It's that civilized behavior is a curiosity to them because they do not know it AT ALL. The members of their own community that are honest and hard working people, like my best friend, are like aliens to them. They're like, "How did you get here???"

To me, libertarianism and true conservatism is the bedrock of a moral and functioning civilization. If we have a society full of a bunch of lazy and selfish bastards that don't care about immorality, crime, education, and the sort, they are fresh meat for subjugation from a plutocratic class via the government. And that's exactly what we see happening today.


Probably the chief cause of all of this is the lack of fatherhood among the msotly black and hispanic demographic. But any lower SES background, rural or urban, is hard to tell apart aside from the fact I would say that blacks are probably the most violently racist of all the different ethnicity, thus hardest to reason with because they hate you so much they won't respect you.

I worked in several inner cities schools, and the truth might hurt some people, but I know first hand how badly we need a revival in this country. Its not a race thing. The same is happening to whites for a generation now and it will destroy our country.
 
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Wow.... just, wow.

-Not hardworking
No one is going to starve by not taking food stamps, at least for now in America. I run into homeless people all the time that are not in-want for food. They want drugs and alcohol maybe, but not food.

So, if you have this mentality that everything is owed to you because you are "oppressed," how are you going to be a functioning member of society that will work a job and help people other than yourself in your community?
The clue train you missed was Mr. Perfidy's explanations that capitalism is alive and well and in its rawest, purest form in the ghetto.
If anything, they understand BETTER how to make a buck than your average business owner. They know that taxes and regulation only serve to get in the way of their ventures. The message we offer - "We want to stop throwing you in prison for running businesses" - would be received well.
Drugs exist out side the legal framework of running a business because they're illegal.
If you remove that legal framework, and make it so that running ANY business follows the same model that they're using for drugs, then you're going to see other businesses crop up in the ghetto, guaranteed.
Put simply, they're not "hardworking" because hardworking as you define it is "enjoying having the state's dick firmly lodged in their mouths".

-Are lax morally (drugs, sex, crime, not respecting their elders, no parents at home)
I'm not going to waste time quoting statistics, you know its true. It isn't normal that if you're a male your whole life should be about smoking weed and getting laid. That's an extremely selfish and worthless life. Yet, that IS the average black male in the United States. My brother is marrying into a black family and that is the case. My best friend is hispanic, and they are not as much as a weed culture, but they love partying and getting laid, pretty much all of them. That's why they don't have stable families nor the careers necessary for self-directed social uplift.

So what's the alternative? The immoral decision to be a government parasite, just like the plutocratic thieves that make up our mostly white/jewish/asian upper class.
Utter horseshit.
First of all, don't pretend like drugs and sex are immoral in and of themselves. If that's the case then the fact that I fucked my wife and had a beer with her afterward last night mean I'm no better than the people you decry. And I'm Irish and she's German and Slavic.

Second, I work in an IT company, there are nine people in my department, four are white, three are black (another black guy left for a BETTER position recently), one is Nepali, one is Peruvian, and one is Korean.
The entire company is filled with the underclasses which aren't part of the plutocrats. There is a simple reason: they can't get security clearances. We are a free market company providing services fairly completely outside the state's influence. Our employees get paid a market wage.
If you want to talk about plutocrats, how about addressing the cold, hard fact that state agencies and contractors (who offer no value to society) only hire the anointed for their overpaid positions?
I believe in markets to handle issues of race inequality because I am living it. If you think some kid who grew up in the ghetto with an alcoholic mother and friends who all smoked weed is suddenly going to become a plutocrat because he has a piece of sheepskin, you need to rethink that position. He has zero chance of breaking into that caste - but if we changed things to allow for market forces to clean up society, he'd have a damned good chance of becoming a captain of industry - or at least an assistant to one.

-Enjoy being uneducated
Chris Rock probably said it best that, "A ****** loves not to know." I was teaching tenth graders that did not know where America was on a map. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM. I mean, come on, you are not the least bit curious about where we live, where the pyramids in Egypt are, etcetera? These kids grow up watchng movies (because let's get real, movies and TV ARE HUGE in the ghetto) about teachers that magically make all the kids smart all of the suddent, unleashing their "hidden talent."
And those teachers are the sum of the problem. Hey look, this system is failing miserably - it can't possibly be the system to blame, so it has to be the teachers! All we need is to find someone who cares enough!
Bullshit. All we need to do is tear down those programming centers and leave them to themselves.
If someone in the ghetto can make a buck knowing where the pyramids are, he's going to learn it. The only reason for him to know it before that is either out of intellectual curiosity, or because some mean old bat expected a pavlovian response to "where are the pyramids" during year four of their obedience conditioning. Which conditioning I'm pretty sure they can see right through... that, I believe, is the problem.

So, these kids blame everyone but themselves for the fact that they are uneducated, and because it hurts ones feelings to have a defecit in something, it is easier just to as a subculture discount education as a whole.
I can completely understand why they do it. Education isn't even pretending to be education. It's a bunch of unrelated facts and figures that get dumped into your head. If you memorize them, you get a gold star. If you don't, you get a frowny face.
There's no effort to get them to think for themselves or otherwise relate to anything meaningful in their lives. How come nobody in the ghetto thinks to teach electronics by repairing someone's fucked up XBox laser (and saving that kid $300), or teach chemistry by learning how to reload 40sw cartridges? Because education isn't the point, is why.

AND THAT'S MY POINT. It's not that blacks, hispanics, or anyone who is "poor" is necessarily bad for not emulating the behaviors and ethics of a civilized society which is crumbling among all social classes. It's that civilized behavior is a curiosity to them because they do not know it AT ALL. The members of their own community that are honest and hard working people, like my best friend, are like aliens to them. They're like, "How did you get here???"
What is "civilized"? Seems to me like you're defining it as "having successfully completed the state's bald-faced youth conditioning, refraining from basic pleasures in life, and working hard (although not necessarily smart)".

To me, libertarianism and true conservatism is the bedrock of a moral and functioning civilization. If we have a society full of a bunch of lazy and selfish bastards that don't care about immorality, crime, education, and the sort, they are fresh meat for subjugation from a plutocratic class via the government. And that's exactly what we see happening today.
The brilliant thing about what Mr. Perfidy is doing is that he's working within the context of what you claim is the source of their ills.
If we ignore what we consider to be immorality (it is not, necessarily), ignore what we consider to be crime (it probably isn't), ignore what we consider education (ditto), and focus on the fact that the state is actively fucking them and they know it, that can translate into votes.

Probably the chief cause of all of this is the lack of fatherhood among the msotly black and hispanic demographic. But any lower SES background, rural or urban, is hard to tell apart aside from the fact I would say that blacks are probably the most violently racist of all the different ethnicity, thus hardest to reason with because they hate you so much they won't respect you.
Yeah, I grew up thinking this.... and every single black person I've interacted with in my adult life has surprised me. Hm... I wonder how I learned as a kid to fear people who spurned the path I was on, that path the state anointed as correct?
 
Man, 4 pages in right away? Weakness.

So I meant to discuss the political atmosphere in the ghetto, and to define and clarify some terms; when I say ghetto, I mean the public housing and/or private complexes paid for with public money by rental assistance and similar programs, where people who receive all kinds of benefits and handouts are concentrated (I suspect in NJ they move this around to manipulate property values). When typical GOP types say "ghetto" though, they often mean ANY apartment complexes and concentrations of young / unmarried people or really anyone without a mortgage and a moustache. I would make a distinction and say that these places are indeed Proletarian (in the Orwell, 1984 sense of the word), but are not the ghetto.

But for the sake of our mission, I am calling all proletarian housing "the ghetto." So comeon people- how do we turn the proles into a political weapon? There are so many of them, and typically, they are not politically developed. Every other doorstep will have a story about how the state has failed them, abused them, some kind of grievance. It is universal.

So I am talking now with some people in my area about how to go around my neighborhood and gather support- pull people into the orbit of the R3volution. There are some legal implications to the details, as many neighborhoods now that the weather warms will be spotted with the smoke signals of would-be revolutionaries, but we will stick to the lawful methods and strategies. (I would bet though that my wife vs whoever from the corner in a blunt rolling contest would be quite a pleasant spectacle)

to reiterate our own strategy of our own meetup group for you: Locate, penetrate, and replicate in centers of human networks.


- depending on the demographic pursued, the targets will always be different; I am talking to another RP guy who lives next to a 55+ community, and we are now trying to identify their GOP club leadership that we might approach them to invite us to host a presentation in their meeting room. In the case of winning over the Proles though, we are probably not going to find a previously organized politically motivated clique. Not with a name and charter and shit anyway- proletarian smokers though will note that every circle has their politically minded alex jones grown type of stoners, and they are my targets. Find people in your movement who already know these individuals, and go into the villages with them, to meet these people and set up shop. In villages without established personal connections, it is still not hard to locate these kinds of circles; I do not think that I have ever smoked a cigarette on the sidewalk near a dot shop without running into a whiff of them. Buy a bag of tobacco and a lil thumb roller and be generous with your handouts and there is never a shortage of an audience.

To successfully campaign there, we must impress upon the village populations that we are for real; you can't send people who will invite negative psychological reflexes. I am talking image here, and presence. Focus on compatibility and relatability. I know all about eviction notices and being robbed and unfair victimization at the hands of the police, and so I myself am leading this effort in my area. We need similar individuals in all districts. That is to say, identify and exclude the closet-racist little neo-con people. That should be an easy selection process, since they tend to hate on the very idea of going into the villages and exclude themselves. Good. Fuck 'em- after the 2012 election, they will be brushed aside and left out of the greater r3volution.

Actions/Programs:

Here we (myself and the individuals on this project) have only some vague brain-storming and suggestions, as it is a new idea that we are only now developing. But, we have already talked about the role of media- we have to be armed with all kinds of goodies for everyone, so that people can go from our talks on the sidewalk to their living rooms and get reinforcement in the form of DVDs or audio CDs. To this end, we need good movies. Entertaining, informative, simple, and brief. Tailor the messages to the audience, find messengers to whom the villages will relate (The Obama Deception, for example, features KRS-1 at the very beginning, which was smart). So we need a list today, and links, to videos that fit the bill, to be burned and distributed.

I intend to address the haters / gain legitimacy with some rap. Ima spit for the Dr! If anyone else is aware of this approach being tried elsewhere, please feed the community links so we can draw on that. Once we are up and running, my own group will have videos to contribute so we can demonstrate what I mean.

what we need

Leaflets & Videos focusing on issues that resonate in the ghetto and among the proles. That is to say, nothing whatsoever having to do with the national debt, with property taxes and market intrusions. Maybe something like, "How the Government Messes With:" and then whatever- education, medicine, the family, business. Obviously focus on THE WAR ON DRUGS. We will find a lot of allies when we make it clear that only ONE candidate is trying to make pot legal. ONE candidate opposes laws that are only on the books so that black guys can be reliably pulled over and arrested. These messages resonate if we frame the discussion around them. Locally, our family courts are a joke, and I want to explore this more, because all of my friends with kids hate the way that is handled. Your own districts must have their own issues that are generally regarded as irksome and illogical and abusive.

voter registration forms If you are in a state not yet past its deadline, register as many as possible- in NJ, unaffiliated voters can declare themselves Republicans on primary day and vote, so, I am avoiding the always momentum-killing, "Register republican," which does tend to turn off proletarians. Once a base is built up we can make that more clear to won-over supporters, who will carry that message for us.

civic-minded volunteers: That is, the guys or gals in your group who know the ins and outs of polling places, district lines, deadlines, etc. We have a whole wing in our movement that fits this bill, and I view our prole outreach largely as a way of extending their audience and influence into communities that are unschooled in these finer details.

Ron went to the ghetto here in Detroit (well actually Highland Park) and very few blacks even showed up, it was the only empty Ron Paul event I ever saw.
 
The Salvation Army has a slogan, "Go for souls and go for the worst". Prisoners can't vote, but ghettoes are close enough. These populations have been systematically criminalised, exploited, defrauded and persecuted. It is the natural place for us.
No, in the US, people who live in poverty tend not to vote. Therefore it is a waste of time if you are trying to win an election by campaigning in impoverished areas.
 
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