Ron Paul: I’m worried the government might kill Edward Snowden with a drone (VIDEO)

[Sola_Fide]

Ron might have just saved Snowden's life.

Thats what I was thinking too. I bet Ron feels a deep camaraderie with Ed.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Man, they are really going to rip on Ron for being a nut job now. You watch!

Been there. Seen that.

 

[PSYOP]

I wonder if he'll come out and thank Dr. Paul for his support. One side of me says don't do it because it may compromise his location (if he does it via the internet).

 

[Working Poor]

Yea it could be bad if they take him out in China and kill several of their citizens along with him using a drone....

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Yea it could be bad if they take him out in China and kill several of their citizens along with him using a drone....

They won't use a drone.

They will kidnap him off the street, place him in the hands of foreign agency, have him shipped to a secret prison in Yemen or likewise, extract the information he leaked or possibly had access to, eventually ship him back here, close the trial down for the public and deny all press passes, convict him on the charges, throw him in a solitary cell in Leavenworth, and continue the meme of public safety with regards to terrorists.

Now note, I don't know how long he will be detained in solitary confinement until his secret trial or tribunal. Most likely until he is a broken man with alternating screams of his family and loud music. Probably bright lights, cold water showers, and slop ate without utensils. Probably on 'suicide watch,' naked, in a room that is exceptionally cold, deprived of a bed or blanket. After he is ready to agree to the terms of his secret trial, waive some rights, and more or less admit guilt, the trial will proceed.

That is not to say that they couldn't assassinate him with one of their various methods. It just wouldn't be a drone strike. Plausible deniability is what they'd aim for. Cancer may develop while he is being held, for example. Maybe he is given radioactive clothing? Falling from a very high height is written in their manuals, as well. Hard to say.

When they asked him what he thinks will happen to him, he correctly and seriously answered, "Nothing good." The man understands what they are capable of. Polonium poisoning or thallium salts, or a wrote off 'suicide.' Ron Paul knows this but uses the drone analogy because Americans have been assassinated without judicial overview. What happens to the man, if they decide to kill him, will be done out of public eye and with a reasonable amount of plausible deniability.

 

[Anti Federalist]

My biggest fear would be that Snowden is droned and the masses cheer it on "because he's a traitor." Then we're REALLY in trouble: The government has had their foot in the door for years, and they've been widening it inches at a time, but that would be them suddenly blowing it off its hinges with their jackboots overnight.

That is going to happen regardless of what happens to Snowden or even the larger ramifications of this issue.

If us Mundanes start getting too rambunctious, all that needs to happen is a real or manufactured "terrorist" event, that kills 30,000 people this time.

Government could tell people that, in order to remain safe from the terror threat, they are required to skewer and BBQ their first born child, and this sorry lot that surrounds us, would do it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

They won't use a drone.

They will kidnap him off the street, place him in the hands of foreign agency, have him shipped to a secret prison in Yemen or likewise, extract the information he leaked or possibly had access to, eventually ship him back here, close the trial down for the public and deny all press passes, convict him on the charges, throw him in a solitary cell in Leavenworth, and continue the meme of public safety with regards to terrorists.

Now note, I don't know how long he will be detained in solitary confinement until his secret trial or tribunal. Most likely until he is a broken man with alternating screams of his family and loud music. Probably bright lights, cold water showers, and slop ate without utensils. Probably on 'suicide watch,' naked, in a room that is exceptionally cold, deprived of a bed or blanket. After he is ready to agree to the terms of his secret trial, waive some rights, and more or less admit guilt, the trial will proceed.

That is not to say that they couldn't assassinate him with one of their various methods. It just wouldn't be a drone strike. Plausible deniability is what they'd aim for. Cancer may develop while he is being held, for example. Maybe he is given radioactive clothing? Falling from a very high height is written in their manuals, as well. Hard to say.

When they asked him what he thinks will happen to him, he correctly and seriously answered, "Nothing good." The man understands what they are capable of. Polonium poisoning or thallium salts, or a wrote off 'suicide.' Ron Paul knows this but uses the drone analogy because Americans have been assassinated without judicial overview. What happens to the man, if they decide to kill him, will be done out of public eye and with a reasonable amount of plausible deniability.

Take that to the bank.

The only hope is that we can skew that narrative just a few degrees and possibly save this man's life.

That task is not made easier when one of the highest profile people "we" have in government makes squishy and crawfishing comments about the case right of the box.

 

[Mini-Me]

They did it to al-Awakai and it was fine because he's brown

Yes, but he was indeed brown and Muslim and "other," which made it easier for white "Christian" Americans to dehumanize him and for the government to court tunnel-visioned apologists. He was also painted specifically as a violent terrorist (which he made easy for them; oppression is after all first aimed at scoundrels), and his son was smeared through guilt by association and being in the wrong place at the wrong time (picking the wrong parents). It was horrible, but it was the logical next step in the gradual march of tyranny. It wasn't a huge leap that skipped thirty steps, and it wasn't by itself something that would prevent us from organizing to end these abuses.

Snowden on the other hand is a white 29-year-old who looks like the guy next door, and he's being labeled a "traitor" (rather than "terrorist") for whistleblowing a limited amount of information about specific illegal activities the government is engaged in. If the government can convince people to cheer for the execution of a guy who looks like sweet little Eddie who grew up down the street, for telling Americans the truth about the government's illegal abuses against Americans specifically, it will have little further trouble convincing people to cheer for the routine summary execution of practically anyone, for any reason. In short, if Snowden is executed without a trial and people cheer, the police state will accelerate far more rapidly than it has thus far.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

the smear has already taken hold....

A fellow coworker astounded me with his logic today when he insinuated that Snowden was an "idiot and a loser" because his Mom was fat and he dropped out of high school. I told him that I barely graduated high school and my dad is an alcoholic yet he comes in my office several times a day asking me questions that he ought to know the answer to.

My point being that this is the type of brainpower/logic that we're up against.

 

[Anti Federalist]

A fellow coworker astounded me with his logic today when he insinuated that Snowden was an "idiot and a loser" because his Mom was fat and he dropped out of high school. I told him that I barely graduated high school and my dad is an alcoholic yet he comes in my office several times a day asking me questions that he ought to know the answer to.

My point being that this is the type of brainpower/logic that we're up against.

'Murika!

Land of the free and doan you forget it boy.

*belch*

 

[Christian Liberty]

Even if Snowden were guilty of treason he would still deserve a trial. I'm at the point where I'm almost tempted to say that anyone who doesn't agree with that needs to be kicked out of the country and we need to start over. These are the kinds of people we're at war against. But then I realize, how the CRAP can you win this thing and still remain in line with libertarian values, when our enemies just don't care? Its downright depressing. I don't even know what to say anymore. Maybe we really will have to nuremberg trial a few of our own in order to "Win" this thing. Oh what do we do... I'm so cynical...

 

[Carson]

Everyone seems to keep focusing on what people think about this here in the U.S..

People should realize the is a whole big world out there that may not take well to their most inner secrets being bandied about. What is it they tell you? "Whatever you say can and will be used against you in", just about every direction the planet may decide to turn.

I don't think the seriousness has yet to sink in.



And don't forget. We've given them the ability to fire up the fake money presses and print up what ever it takes to get their way.

 

[Christian Liberty]

The thought that Ron Paul could actually be correct here depresses me to no end. I'm sure he hopes he's wrong just as much as I do. Actually, I almost hope that he's right AND that it sparks a reaction, but I don't think that people would react in a reasonable manner (Revolt, or at least mass civil disobedience) if it did.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Ron Paul may well have just saved this man's life as well. I don't know what Rand Paul's concerns are way up in the senate, but I believe Rand could well save this man if he vocally agreed with his father here. Unfortunate as it may be, Rand has the microphone that everyone sees. Do the right thing, please...

 

[libertyplz]

btw, this snippet is on Drudge.

And it's highlighted! Saw it as soon as I went to the site

 

[Mini-Me]

Ron Paul may well have just saved this man's life as well. I don't know what Rand Paul's concerns are way up in the senate, but I believe Rand could well save this man if he vocally agreed with his father here. Unfortunate as it may be, Rand has the microphone that everyone sees. Do the right thing, please...

Even the wisest cannot see all ends. Ron may very well save his life with his comments, or the MSM may save his life by criticizing Ron's "paranoia" too loudly and forcing the government to take "options" off the table, or Rand may save his life by placing the emphasis back where Snowden wanted it to be: On the government's illegal surveillance of Americans. Never forget that it is not Snowden but the government and the MSM who want the national conversation to be about Snowden's character and what should happen to him, because it deflects attention away from them. We cannot allow them to frame the debate this way. Snowden knew what he was risking, and I think we owe it to him to take advantage of his sacrifice, go on the offensive, and raise hell. If we're loud enough about the actual issue at hand, more people will come to realize its seriousness, and by extension their views on Snowden will hopefully soften as well.

 

[sailingaway]

I wonder how the media and government will react to these comments. On the one hand, they might remain silent to keep the government's options open...but on the other hand, they might use the opportunity to paint Ron Paul as a kooky black helicopter chicken little for daring to suggest they're so despotic. Paul's sticking his neck out by addressing the possibility early (first?), but he's also framing the issue in a way that could conceivably help protect Snowden.

He does that. He did with Assange when Senators wanted to try an Australian for treason if you recall... He was the first one to stick his neck out, immediately into the storm, and the public stopped and listened.

 

[KEEF]

I was watching fox this morning and those three turds were discussing Dr. Paul's comments about the US Govt. droning one of my newest heroes. Steve Doocy was snickering at Ron Paul about it. God it is kinda funny to watch FOX ride the fence of we need big government to look out for us so they can blow every brown terrorist up while at the same time say we need limited govt. But at the same time, I know this has been asked for a long time, how can people just keep eating it up... GO MERICA... GIT ME SOME FREEDON FRIES!

This kid (Snowden) is a real hero and the MSM is trying to herd the sheep into thinking he is a traitor and government is good... I really am afraid that people will never wake up.

 

[sailingaway]

This is getting some coverage, which is great:

Huff Po:

Ron Paul: Edward Snowden May Be Target Of U.S. Drone Strike http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/ron-paul-edward-snowden_n_3424408.html

and The Hill: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...l-warns-us-government-may-assassinate-snowden

 

[sailingaway]

And the Judge agrees Ron is right to be worried for him:

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/06/1...uls-worries-about-drone-strike-edward-snowden

In a Hong Kong newspaper, Edward Snowden has been quoted today as saying he's not a hero or a traitor for exposing the NSA's massive program to monitor Americans' phone calls and internet activities. It's still not known where Snowden is after he checked out of the Hong Kong hotel where he met with Guardian reporter Glenn Greenwald.

There is no doubt in Judge Andrew Napolitano's mind that the U.S. government will go after Snowden and ask Hong Kong authorities to arrest him and send him back to the United States. Napolitano says that in the view of the Obama administration, Snowden "violated his oath to keep secrets secret," while working for NSA contractor Booz Allen.

"He also took an oath to uphold the Constitution and that is a higher obligation. ... He chose which oath to comply with," said Napolitano.

Bill Hemmer asked for the judge's reaction to Ron Paul's comments on FBN, expressing concern that Snowden could be killed with a drone strike if the U.S. chooses to do so. Hemmer asked whether this statement was hyperbole on the part of Paul.

Napolitano explained that President Obama's policy on drone strikes is "unconditionally unlawful" but it's being carried out anyway. He said Paul fears that the president could go ahead and establish a new set of rules to allow him to target Snowden, therefore avoiding a trial that would "expose even more national security secrets."

Napolitano agreed with the New York Times' opinion piece on the dangers of the government abusing these powers.

"President Obama's abuse of this power proves that when unlimited power is put in the hands of the executive, it will be abused. What makes it unlimited? Lack of fidelity to the Constitution," he argued.



Read more: http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/06/1...out-drone-strike-edward-snowden#ixzz2W4M3b0Cq