Ron Paul Ideas: Utopia vs Reality.

[Teenforpaul08]

Uhh, why not?! There were government ops in google from the beginning, they are TRYING to make google big so they can take it over and control all the info on the net.

Look, even Zeitgeist/Addendum is very clear that governments are taken over by elitist bankers and regulated as such, and this is the cause of inequality, wars, etc.

Zeitgeist/Addendum doesn't want to regulate, they want to get rid of the state entirely. The Venus Project will need to be done in a free society, because that is what it is based on. How they will keep people from hoarding resources and protecting them with guns, I don't know.. but I do know that they are opposed to government regulation of the market as that is what is responsible for banking... Government should be there to regulate itself.

Google got big because government made sure companies like Microsoft didn't shut them up. So google got big in a regulated market, Not a free market. If it was a free market, microsoft would make sure google didn't benefit from their technology, and who would stop them?

 

[Mini-Me]

You guys are really dense. I'm trying to say that a monetary-based economy, which includes :

free market
regulated market
capitalism
socialism
communism

is inferior to a resourced based economy.

I'm dense? You completely ignored my entire comment, where I chastised you for relying so heavily on the misleading name of legislation, and now you're completely changing the subject to save face.

In any case, a monetary-based economy IS a resource-based economy. Money is merely a way of pricing resources to reflect their scarcity. There's no such thing as unlimited abundance...everything always has a price. Even if machines make all the food in the world, it is still not unlimited.

 

[powerofreason]

You guys are really dense. I'm trying to say that a monetary-based economy, which includes :

free market
regulated market
capitalism
socialism
communism

is inferior to a resourced based economy.

false.

 

[powerofreason]

Google got big because government made sure companies like Microsoft didn't shut them up. So google got big in a regulated market, Not a free market. If it was a free market, microsoft would make sure google didn't benefit from their technology, and who would stop them?

false.

 

[Teenforpaul08]

Wow, you need to read 1984. It's called doublespeak.

Do you really think the Patriot Act is patriotic?!

NAFTA is government managed trade.

Yeah but sending goods up and down is free.

Imports would be taxed in a free market, by ron paul, HE HAS SAID IT!

 

[Teenforpaul08]

false.

Where did you get this power all-knowing oracle?

 

[Mini-Me]

Google got big because government made sure companies like Microsoft didn't shut them up. So google got big in a regulated market, Not a free market. If it was a free market, microsoft would make sure google didn't benefit from their technology, and who would stop them?

Okay: What exactly did the government do that enabled Google's rise? I want specifics, please, since you seem so intent on talking right out of your ass. How would "Microsoft make sure Google didn't benefit from their technology" in a FREE MARKET? Nobody can use coercion in a free market.

I used to be a half-assed socialist, and I used to agree with much of what you're saying about big companies just getting bigger and bigger and destroying other companies until they have unassailable monopolies...but even then, I never would have said anything as asinine as what you're posting right now.

 

[ClockwiseSpark]

Yeah but sending goods up and down is free.

Imports would be taxed in a free market, by ron paul, HE HAS SAID IT!

You have stopped even pretending to respond to the statements and questions. Ban this fool.

 

[powerofreason]

Where did you get this power all-knowing oracle?

its called "thinking"

 

[me3]

You have stopped even pretending to respond to the statements and questions. Ban this fool.

It's obvious he's just trolling.

 

[dannno]

You guys are really dense. I'm trying to say that a monetary-based economy, which includes :

free market
regulated market
capitalism
socialism
communism

is inferior to a resourced based economy.

That's your opinion, and that is fine.. BUT.. you should not be arguing against the free market for many reasons. First of all, when a market is managed by the government, there is too much money interest that will use government resources to make the laws the way they want them so that they can become a monopoly. Think of the government simply as hired thugs for big corporations.

Also, a free market eocnomy is the only way the Venus Project will be able to come about.

It's also superior to all of the other tested economies that you listed.

 

[Teenforpaul08]

I'm dense? You completely ignored my entire comment, where I chastised you for relying so heavily on the misleading name of legislation, and now you're completely changing the subject to save face.

In any case, a monetary-based economy IS a resource-based economy. Money is merely a way of pricing resources to reflect their scarcity. There's no such thing as unlimited abundance...everything always has a price. Even if machines make all the food in the world, it is still not unlimited.

It doesn't need a price. Automation can make products so fast that everyone would have what they need. And more. Without fighting for it (in today's term: competition)

 

[me3]

Okay: What exactly did the government do that enabled Google's rise? I want specifics, please, since you seem so intent on talking right out of your ass. How would "Microsoft make sure Google didn't benefit from their technology" in a FREE MARKET? Nobody can use coercion in a free market.

Or better yet what government regs stopped Microsoft from blocking google?

He can't answer the question, because the government doesn't regulate search engines or the internet.

 

[powerofreason]

im out

 

[Teenforpaul08]

That's your opinion, and that is fine.. BUT.. you should not be arguing against the free market for many reasons. First of all, when a market is managed by the government, there is too much money interest that will use government resources to make the laws the way they want them so that they can become a monopoly. Think of the government simply as hired thugs for big corporations.

Also, a free market eocnomy is the only way the Venus Project will be able to come about.

It's also superior to all of the other tested economies that you listed.

It's not opinion, it's logic.

Government manage the market because if they don't, the big guys pounce the little guys. Both are bad, that's what I'm advocating.

 

[Teenforpaul08]

Or better yet what government regs stopped Microsoft from blocking google?

He can't answer the question, because the government doesn't regulate search engines or the internet.

It's just a stupid example guys. OMG. WOW.

In a regulated market, small companies can rise because the government says a the big guys can't have the whole cake. So it gives small companies a chance, like google.

In a free market, government says "play fair, have fun" The big guys will make sure little guys never stand up. Think about it. It happens all the time.

 

[Mini-Me]

It doesn't need a price. Automation can make products so fast that everyone would have what they need. And more. Without fighting for it (in today's term: competition)

Bullshit. Automation can't make food grow infinitely fast. Automation cannot create an infinite amount of arable land for a more limitless amount of food to grow. No resource and no physical product is unlimited in supply. Every physical product will always be limited in supply, no matter how abundant, and the price reflects where demand meets that supply.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Ok then, if the governments don't interfere, Microsoft would be the only software company. GE would be our only energy company. And exxon would be our only oil company.

Au contraire. I suggest you read about laissez faire capitalism.

 

[Teenforpaul08]

Bullshit. Automation can't make food grow infinitely fast. Automation cannot create an infinite amount of arable land for a more limitless amount of food to grow. No resource and no physical product is unlimited in supply. Every physical product will always be limited in supply, no matter how abundant, and the price reflects where demand meets that supply.

Automation is TECHNOLOGY. THE VENUS PROJECT avocates using techology LIKE automation to make life easier for PEOPLE. THAT IS THE SOLE PURPOSE OF TECHNOLOGY: TO MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR PEOPLE. WHICH WILL EVENTAULLY MEAN: NO WORKING! THink about this logic please.

 

[me3]

It's just a stupid example guys. OMG. WOW.

It is a stupid example, because it is false.

In a regulated market, small companies can rise because the government says a the big guys can't have the whole cake. So it gives small companies a chance, like google.

How is the internet regulated? By what laws?

You prior argument, was that under the current system, the guy who gets ahead always stays ahead. Now you are arguing that the government keeps people from getting and staying ahead. Which is it?

In a free market, government says "play fair, have fun" The big guys will make sure little guys never stand up. Think about it. It happens all the time.

In a free market, big companies can't limit competition unless they provide the best service, with the best product at the best price. Anything less than the best in all 3 categories, invites competition from a new firm, or an existing large firm looking to play in a new market.

Your argument against the free market is totally false, because (1) there has never been a properly free market, and (2) your own examples don't even happen under what you call a free market.

You're not just wrong, you're irrationally inconsistent.