Ron Paul: I wouldn't support Trump as GOP nominee

[AuH20]

Dubya and Obama both looked quite different when they were running than when they got elected. That's the part that you are missing. Go back to the pre campaign Donald Trump and read what he had to say about gun control.

Yes, donors tend to do that.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

Please name one actual policy position where Trump is closer to Ron or Rand than Cruz. Just one.

Being neutral on Israel.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Being neutral on Israel.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

Yes, we saw it was such a beneficial political stance that Rand decided to back off of it. I.e. why the hell would Trump profess these positions if he didn't believe them?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Yes, we saw it was such a beneficial political stance that Rand decided to back off of it. I.e. why the hell would Trump profess these positions if he didn't believe them?

I don't know.

If he wanted to be neutral and not alienate the Arabs, why did he make a campaign ad for the most violently Zionist Israeli PM in decades?

 

[kahless]

Please name one actual policy position where Trump is closer to Ron or Rand than Cruz. Just one.

Do you not do any research at all or are just blinded by all the Trump hate. This is just off the top of my head, I am not even trying. I am sure I could probably find more.

- Health insurance competition across state lines.
- National right to concealed carry.
- Defund sanctuary cities.

Other similarities in immigration polices.
- Rand/Trump both support deportation of criminal illegal aliens.
- Both support border security measures with some differences. Rand wants to use drones, satellite tracking and physical barriers. Trump promotes a wall.
- End birthright citizenship. (Supported by Ron, Trump, Rand sponsored a bill in 2011, backed off it a bit more recently)
- Rand Paul a moratorium on Middle East immigration while Trump taking it a step further with a moratorium on Muslim immigration.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

I don't know.

If he wanted to be neutral and not alienate the Arabs, why did he make a campaign ad for the most violently Zionist Israeli PM in decades?

Maybe he wants to be neutral so he can wipe his hands of a mass genocide of Palestinians? Either way neutral towards Israel is closer to Ron and Rand's position than Ted's.

 

[TheTexan]

whatever he deems is necessary. It's a leap of faith. We have been raped by politicians telling us falsehoods. Let Trump have his shot. Country is on it's death bed. It can't get worse. Think of Trump as an experimental drug not yet cleared by the FDA that will be used on a terminal patient.

He probably won't fulfill all his campaign promises, but as long as he gets rid of the Muslims and Mexicans I'm happy.

 

[William Tell]

Country is on it's death bed. It can't get worse.

Oh, it will.

 

[nikcers]

I don't know.

If he wanted to be neutral and not alienate the Arabs, why did he make a campaign ad for the most violently Zionist Israeli PM in decades?

chaotic neutral

 

[Anti Federalist]

I have no "destroy the government" candidate to vote for. Trump hates snowden, is pro universal healthcare, pro-forced back doors on cellphones, etc... Sanders is a nice option, I figure he'll run up taxes, and boost welfare. So, probably can get on disability (retirement). It shouldn't be hard under Sanders Rule. Under Hillary, well, I'll probably be executed, I'm not in good enough shape to be a slave, and she hates men. She's just with Bill the Serial Rapist because he's popular, and he only rapes "dumb" women that she detests as much as males.

Sanders 2016! Fuck work....

Vermin Supreme in 2016.

You get all that and a free pony!

 

[Krugminator2]

Do you not do any research at all or are just blinded by all the Trump hate. This is just off the top of my head, I am not even trying. I am sure I could probably find more.

- Health insurance competition across state lines.
- National right to concealed carry.
- Defund sanctuary cities.

Other similarities in immigration polices.
- Rand/Trump both support deportation of criminal illegal aliens.
- Both support border security measures with some differences. Rand wants to use drones, satellite tracking and physical barriers. Trump promotes a wall.
- End birthright citizenship. (Supported by Ron, Trump, Rand sponsored a bill in 2011, backed off it a bit more recently)
- Rand Paul a moratorium on Middle East immigration while Trump taking it a step further with a moratorium on Muslim immigration.

Trump is a socialist on health care. He is not closer than Cruz to Ron or Rand on health care. Trump is closer to Bernie Sanders than he is to Rand. You don't think Cruz is for shopping for health insurance across state lines? That is a layup issue that frankly I don't Trump cares about at all. Trump was for an assault weapons ban. He is certainly not better than Cruz on the Second Amendment. Cruz was endorsed by Gun Owners of America.

Literally, NONE of the things you listed are issues where Trump is better than Cruz. My preference of Presidential candidates, as a libertarian, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio, Hillary, Trump, then Sanders.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

Well Ron, who the hell should be the next President? One of those dudes will be. You didn't run, your son pussed out on us.

Couldnt agree more.

I keep asking this question and no one is bothering to answer it: Who should be the next President?

Everyone's answer, including Ron's, seems to be we should just sit this out and let the cards fall as they may but if the choice is Trump or Clinton how can anyone here not be voting for Trump? Clinton is pure evil and we all know it.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

Trump is a socialist on health care. He is not closer than Cruz to Ron or Rand on health care. Trump is closer to Bernie Sanders than he is to Rand. You don't think Cruz is for shopping for health insurance across state lines? That is a layup issue that frankly I don't Trump cares about at all. Trump was for an assault weapons ban. He is certainly not better than Cruz on the Second Amendment. Cruz was endorsed by Gun Owners of America.

Literally, NONE of the things you listed are issues where Trump is better than Cruz. My preference of Presidential candidates, as a libertarian, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio, Hillary, Trump, then Sanders.

Cruz is obviously a Goldman Sachs puppet. The fact all of his supporters ignore this simple fact is pretty remarkable.

 

[erowe1]

Couldnt agree more.

I keep asking this question and no one is bothering to answer it: Who should be the next President?

Everyone's answer, including Ron's, seems to be we should just sit this out and let the cards fall as they may but if the choice is Trump or Clinton how can anyone here not be voting for Trump? Clinton is pure evil and we all know it.

First of all, at this moment the choice isn't Trump or Clinton. Trump has to win the Republican nomination. And out of the people running for it, he's the worst.

Second of all, no, I would not support Trump over Clinton. All of the available evidence says that he would be as bad as her or worse.

 

[erowe1]

Well Ron, who the hell should be the next President? One of those dudes will be. You didn't run, your son pussed out on us.

Who did you vote for in the general election in 2008 and 2012?

 

[kahless]

Trump is a socialist on health care. He is not closer than Cruz to Ron or Rand on health care. Trump is closer to Bernie Sanders than he is to Rand. You don't think Cruz is for shopping for health insurance across state lines? That is a layup issue that frankly I don't Trump cares about at all. Trump was for an assault weapons ban. He is certainly not better than Cruz on the Second Amendment. Cruz was endorsed by Gun Owners of America.

Literally, NONE of the things you listed are issues where Trump is better than Cruz. My preference of Presidential candidates, as a libertarian, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio, Hillary, Trump, then Sanders.

Do you really want to go there by bringing up candidate flip-flops when discussing Ted Goldman Cruz, are you kidding me?

Trump is being openly mocked including in last nights debate for continually repeating he will allow health insurance companies to compete across state lines and creating a free market and competition in healthcare. Sanders is for single payer health care. Clearly you have not been paying attention on this issue and are just buying into the anti-Trump talking points without doing your own research. (most likely lies from the Cruz campaign since lying is what Cruz does best)

 

[CaptUSA]

Couldnt agree more.

I keep asking this question and no one is bothering to answer it: Who should be the next President?

Everyone's answer, including Ron's, seems to be we should just sit this out and let the cards fall as they may but if the choice is Trump or Clinton how can anyone here not be voting for Trump? Clinton is pure evil and we all know it.

You should really change your screen name. I think you're missing the point.

 

[Krugminator2]

Do you really want to go there by bringing up candidate flip-flops when discussing Ted Goldman Cruz, are you kidding me?

Trump is being openly mocked including in last nights debate for continually repeating he will allow health insurance companies to compete across state lines and creating a free market and competition in healthcare. Sanders is for single payer health care. Clearly you have not been paying attention on this issue and are just buying into the anti-Trump talking points without doing your own research. (most likely lies from the Cruz campaign since lying is what Cruz does best)

I have no idea what Cruz has said about Trump or what the anti-Trump talking points are. I have said the exact same things on this forum like a broken record since Trump announced he was running. I have held these views of Trump since I read his book "The America We Deserve" at least ten years ago. Trump is clear that he still supports Canadian style health care.

I don't have any problem with Ted Cruz having a brokerage account with Goldman Sachs or having a wife who works a broker for high net worth clients in a regional Goldman Sachs office. I don't understand why that is supposed to be thing.

 

[AuH20]

I don't have any problem with Ted Cruz having a brokerage account with Goldman Sachs or having a wife who works a broker for high net worth clients in a regional Goldman Sachs office. I don't understand why that is supposed to be thing.

You don't have a problem with Chad Sweet either? There are so many red flags with Cruz. And I'm speaking as someone who originally sent him money to defeat Dewhurst.