Ron Paul has some serious ideas which deserve serious consideration. Wrong for media to ignore

it is hard to explain. I guess you guys can't grasp it.

Trump is doing most of the things he does for Media Attention and Projection.

Is he going to praise Rand for losing?

I disagree with Trump on drugs, but I am not expecting a 69 old geezer who never drinks to understand the nuanced issues.

I disagree with purism because nothing is black and white. Even Liberty. There are always gray areas.
 
it is hard to explain. I guess you guys can't grasp it.

Trump is doing most of the things he does for Media Attention and Projection.

Is he going to praise Rand for losing?

I disagree with Trump on drugs, but I am not expecting a 69 old geezer who never drinks to understand the nuanced issues.

I disagree with purism because nothing is black and white. Even Liberty. There are always gray areas.

It's funny you bring up grey areas when you don't seem to notice the grey area between Trump boot licking and purism.
 
I disagree with Trump on drugs, but I am not expecting a 69 old geezer who never drinks to understand the nuanced issues.

I disagree with purism because nothing is black and white. Even Liberty. There are always gray areas.
But the drug war was one issue that Trump was actually good on before he ran for president. He got it as a 50-65 year old man. Now he suddenly decided prohibition works. It's not a gray area, and he he as no excuse since he used to understand it. This is why I don't expect anything good to happen. If he does stand for liberty I will be all for it, I just don't see it happening.
 
I won't, I didn't even vote for Trump. I just think he is a hundred thousand miles ahead of and better than Hillary. Nowhere close to perfect, doesn't understand the principle of liberty very well - but he is waaaayy better on foreign policy and economic policy. This isn't Bush vs. Kerry or Obama vs. McCain where we have two establishment stooges - we actually have a guy who might wanna fight for us for once, even if he doesn't have a perfect grasp of how to fix things it is a better vision than where we were headed with Hillary.

Maybe you'll be better able to accept this position since the election is done now, it was my stance, and the prevalent stance among libertarians who wagered that Clinton would be better than Trump, that it was so because deporting potentially millions of people requires a grossly greater amount of force than does importing 10,000 refugees. And that progessivist protectionism is worse than progressivitst managed trade, which I'll admit are the same thing, expect in rhetoric which on one hand speaks unfavorably of foreign trade (protectionism) and the other positively of foreign trade. There was general consensus that Trump would be better on taxes and regulation. But that is small beans when compared to the prospects of a great number of individuals being uprooted and deported by the state. If you had actually engaged us during the election you would not be patting yourself on the back about things like school choice. And, if you will listen to the rhetoric coming out of Israel and from the militarists, you will see a picture being painted that Trump is very much a reconciliation of the Israel first and pro-US imperialist. It is rumored the Muslim Brotherhood will be labeled by the Trump administration as terrorist.... a group that had an elected president of Egypt not long ago! I wonder if the CIA will covertly keep them down?.... Just think, we just had a president that removed Hezbollah and Iran from the terrorist list, I find little doubt they will be added back based the rhetoric from Trump and those around him, plus more, and I am not supposed to make some connection between Trump and past militarism/neo-con establishment? What entangling alliance is it that gets us in most of our trouble in the middle east?


I saw the clip of the video the media took out of context, but if you actually pull your head out of the mainstream media's ass and do the research on Trump yourself you would see I am right... he was against all of the wars in the last 15 years.

Most people don't like Trump largely because of crap they have been lied about to by the mainstream media. It seems you are in that group.


Specifically I was mentioning the video of Trump favorably speaking of bombing Libya. It is irrelevant at this point though. What is important is the more current. Only once he gets in will the story reveal itself, but I do think you are ignoring a lot of current warning signs in favor of cheering on school choice and the like.


JBS was right about the communists, and back then the communists ruled Russia. Russia is no longer under control of the communists. The communists now control our country and the NWO. So it makes sense that the communists in this country who control the media now attack Russia.

I can't say they are wrong, but JBS this year accused Russia as being behind the Texas shooting where the officers were gunned down. You guys would go ape shit if they did that today.

That is one issue I am pretty skeptical about Trump on - I think he might expand the war on drugs (besides cannabis). I think cannabis is a good substance that helps people - heroin, cocaine and meth are not. All drugs should be legal, and Trump is wrong for wanting to continue the war on drugs.. but he would be doing a great service if he stopped the war on cannabis.

Time shall tell.
 
Trump is going to be great on foreign and domestic policy - believe me.

He is also going to be terrific on economics and individual liberty. Believe me!

But he wants to annihilate ISIS that NATO created, imprison whistle blowers, obstruct free trade, spend taxpayer resources on a useless war machine, and imprison certain types of free speech.
 
Maybe you'll be better able to accept this position since the election is done now, it was my stance, and the prevalent stance among libertarians who wagered that Clinton would be better than Trump, that it was so because deporting potentially millions of people requires a grossly greater amount of force than does importing 10,000 refugees.

Lol... dude.. Europe is about to have a civil war over immigration, maybe you should go visit there before trying to create the same problems here.

Maybe you could have listened to the other side.. the side that shows how immigration in the last few decades has been nothing more than a huge government subsidized program.. Government programs require force.... and illegal immigrants use substantially more in government services than natives. They also vote for the left in much higher numbers. I'm actually an open borders guy (if we had a free market) and I was initially very much against Trump due to his immigration stance. But then I looked at the facts and the evidence and realized that if we want to destroy this country and turn it into a socialist hell hole by bringing in more leftist voters who are totally dependent on government, then we should elect Hillary.

I still don't like the idea of deportation, and I hope Trump doesn't deport any peaceful individuals who haven't committed any crimes.. but you have to realize the amount of force being used against the native population in the form of slavery and taxes due to immigration, especially in the longrun as our country would have adopted more leftist policies is much greater than the amount of force that would be required to deport some illegal immigrants and build a wall. We can talk about open immigration when we end the welfare state. Until then we are basically giving every immigrant a gun and allowing them to come in and rob citizens of their wealth. That is not something libertarians should necessarily support.
 
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I disagree with purism because nothing is black and white. Even Liberty. There are always gray areas.

Gray areas lead to shadows.
Shadows lead to darkness.


When the blind lead the blind,, they both end up in the ditch.
 
I suppose not, if you, like him, believed Ron was fooled, lost it attacking Trump like a MSM attack dog, and that Ron and Rand lost the most leverage they had because of Hubris.

I dunno if he did it in a way that was insulting per se..

LOL

I promise I'll hold Trump's feet to the fire if and when he makes mistakes...

No, you never will. You'll dream up excuses even if your theories wind up incorporating space aliens and leprechauns. "It could have happened. 38DD chess!
 
it is hard to explain. I guess you guys can't grasp it.

Trump is doing most of the things he does for Media Attention and Projection.

Is he going to praise Rand for losing?

I disagree with Trump on drugs, but I am not expecting a 69 old geezer who never drinks to understand the nuanced issues.

I disagree with purism because nothing is black and white. Even Liberty. There are always gray areas.

Jan2017 is banned but this account isn't?
 
Why was he banned?

Guess someone wanted him to shut the hell up about something.


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Ummm... He gave someone a posterior urethral injury? Never saw that prohibited in the guidelines, but I suppose it could be a bannable offense anyway.

Posting Under the Influence

That one? Seriously? With all these posters posting while hypnotized by shiny orange hair?
 
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Jan2017 is banned but this account isn't?
it is hard to explain. I guess you guys can't grasp it.

The Admin is doing most of the things he does for Page Views and Projection.

Is he going to advertise about Rand losing?

I disagree with the admin on Trump, but I am not expecting a 69 old geezer who never drinks to understand the nuanced issues.

I disagree with political philosophy because no one but populists can win. Even Liberty. There will always be populists.
 
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