Ron Paul has lost the Republican Race, Indy time!

[performance]

Neo-cons succeeded because of money. They cater to corporations and business. In other words there was support for them before they started.

The problem we have is that young voters support Ron Paul's platform while old baby boomers support republicans like Mccain.

Whether or not Ron paul wins the showing of support will determine the future of a libertarian party. It gives the party an idea of the changing demographics of America.

 

[Madison]

I don't know why people keep making these threads. It will be Ron Paul's choice on what he wants to do and forums posts won't influence it.

Paul ran for president because he was encouraged by others to do so, while reluctant to do it himself. The same thing must happen to begin his independent candidacy.

 

[colecrowe]

Running as an independent means one less Ron Paul Republican in congress. Use you brains people. He is much more valuable to the movement by focusing his efforts on his congressional run. There are other 3rd party candidates who can spread a libertarian message. Ron Paul is needed elsewhere.

Not going to happen. Ron's going to defend his congressional seat.

That will be so much better than having a Ron Paul iNDY president in January. 1 out of 435 or whatever it is, who's never gotten a bill past committee. Yeah another 8 years or whatever in the house is so important compared to being president. I maintain it would be a worthy sacrifice. He has to try to win the white house.

 

[Madison]

On top of which, the Ineptitude of his campaign is frightening and we should run ourselves completely separate from HQ.

+1

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

Neo-cons succeeded because of money. They cater to corporations and business. In other words there was support for them before they started.

The problem we have is that young voters support Ron Paul's platform while old baby boomers support republicans like Mccain.

Whether or not Ron paul wins the showing of support will determine the future of a libertarian party. It gives the party an idea of the changing demographics of America.

How will Ron Paul running as an independent help libertarians when they have their own nominee? It will only divide the libertarians and hurt them. We should allow Ron Paul to focus on congress and support the libertarian nominee.

 

[performance]

Paul ran for president because he was encouraged by others to do so, while reluctant to do it himself. The same thing must happen to begin his independent candidacy.

Yes, people need let everyone know that they would support him regardless of the name of the party. If you are afraid of "libertarian" or something that doesn't say democrat and/or republican somewhere then you are just another sheep of MSM and the establishment.

If anything this is much more important than winning the nomination. He is out there waiting to see how many people support this idea he carries with him. Without support he can't do anything.

How will Ron Paul running as an independent help libertarians when they have their own nominee? It will only divide the libertarians and hurt them. We should allow Ron Paul to focus on congress and support the libertarian nominee.

Libertarians are not some separate entity. It consists wholly of the people who support it. We are supporting Ron Paul and his platform. What he calls himself makes no difference.

This is a free country, you can vote for whoever you want. If the next election everyone voted libertarian then the president will be libertarian and the republicans die. This is the whole notion of democracy.

 

[syborius]

Staying in the race is the best way to get the message out right now.

Americans want Drama - going Indy like everyone expected or challenging the GOP right down the convention in a Quixote style fight - which drama do you think is going to sell more tickets?

I think staying in the GOP race will get the message out best at this point... No "quitting" until a winner is crowned - THEN think about going Indy, but until then - keep up the drama... only half the states have voted at this point - there is still plenty of time to garner support and attention elsewhere...

Think BIG big picture on this one.

sorry, Indy has a better chance. We can't squeeze out anymore than what we got out of the repub machine. They have this locked down pretty well. Indy is still a shot but honestly the whole voting system needs to be overhauled before we can ever hope to restore liberty to this country

 

[performance]

sorry, Indy has a better chance. We can't squeeze out anymore than what we got out of the repub machine. They have this locked down pretty well. Indy is still a shot but honestly the whole voting system needs to be overhauled before we can ever hope to restore liberty to this country

Liberty will be restored when baby boomers retire and die and we are the ruling generation.

 

[Elegy]

How will Ron Paul running as an independent help libertarians when they have their own nominee? It will only divide the libertarians and hurt them. We should allow Ron Paul to focus on congress and support the libertarian nominee.

You are forgetting people who vote on issues like abortion, they, like myself would never vote for a pro abortion candidate. I'm writing RP in if he doesn't run indy, he's the only candidate with the total package of ideas I agree with. I'd like to see the Const and Libert. parties have joint support for RP this election if he runs indy, but he'd have to announce soon. Either way, Paul is getting my vote.

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

BOTH!

Americans want Drama - going Indy like everyone expected or challenging the GOP right down the convention in a Quixote style fight - which drama do you think is going to sell more tickets?

 

[faraway]

In an attempt to cheer myself up I just pulled up the Libertarian results from the 2004 elections . . . guess what, .034% of the vote! 4th place behind Nader. With the same message, to have jumped to 5% or so nationally, as high as 17% in some states is an miraculous feat in itself, with the media blackout and crooked vote counts to boot! This is most certainly because he is running as a Republican.

The freedom message has been out there for years, RP didn't invent it a year ago, the libertarians have been hanging in there for years, Ron Paul has been in there for decades as well. Why don't we emulate their perseverance and appreciate the huge gains being made.

Those bellyaching today I fear are overestimating the intellect of the American public which for the most part still completely believe in the 2 party illusion, and are living off government
handouts and jobs. I think the "throwing pearls before swine" analogy fits.

I think if we keep at it, and finance RP all the way to the convention, we will continue to grow, albeit slowly, and attract more attention to the message through our insistance than anything else.





We all want Paul to do better,

 

[ErikBlack]

Running as an independent means one less Ron Paul Republican in congress. Use you brains people. He is much more valuable to the movement by focusing his efforts on his congressional run. There are other 3rd party candidates who can spread a libertarian message. Ron Paul is needed elsewhere.

Is there any proof of Ron Paul's effectiveness in Congress? For 20 years he has been in Washington. What has he accomplished? He authors bills that aren't passed. He votes against bills that are. He has had very little, if any, legislative impact except perhaps on local issues affecting members of his district.

I think its time for Ron Paul to abandon his Congressional campaign and go all in for the presidency as an independent. He won't win but he can make a good showing, open a few minds, ruffle a few feathers and then retire with a bang and enjoy his remaining years rather than banging his head against the concrete wall of the political establishment.

 

[Primbs]

If McCain and Clinton, two pro war candidates win, and Bloomberg jumps in, Paul could get a large vote in an Indy run. Nader might get in the race.

There would be extreme discontent on both sides.

But there are many downsides to a run.

 

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

The fat lady sung this morning, she screamed her freakin' head off. RP is NOT going to be the Republican Candidate. Get over it.

We need to think about pooling ourselves into an Independent format. Now, before its too late.

P4J

Troll, leave.

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

If Ron Paul goes Indy, he should go when no one expects it. Now would not be the time. It would be laughed at and then ignored. Momentum is still building. Going indy now will just crush the momentum.

Agreed. I think he should wait until about a month from now. Also, I'm not sure if he should drop out of the Republican race and announce Indy at the same time, or wait a little bit between to see how things shake out and start fresh. Either way, it beats the other two options: 1) dropping out entirely(Please don't do this Dr. Paul!), 2) slogging along with fewer than 100 delegates to a convention where he has almost no chance at the nomination. I think we will get a much better response from people over the next 6 months running as an outsider Independent for President rather than as the candidate who has already been eliminated from contention for the Republican nomination.

 

[runderwo]

Is there any proof of Ron Paul's effectiveness in Congress? For 20 years he has been in Washington. What has he accomplished? He authors bills that aren't passed. He votes against bills that are. He has had very little, if any, legislative impact except perhaps on local issues affecting members of his district.

http://www.house.gov/paul/press/press99/pr102999.htm

Not to mention being the Conscience of the whole gang of thieves.