Ron Paul has lost the Republican Race, Indy time!

[paul4justice]

Ron Paul has lost the Republican race. If anyone still doubts that, go hit yourself a few times across the face with the reality stick an meet me in the kitchen for serious talk.

Kitchen: Okay, now that we are being HONEST, we must get Paul to run as an Indy. We have plenty of time before the election and Paul vs Hillary vs McCain is a good match up for us. We can substitute Obama for Hillary and still do OK. Hopefully Paul is ready to do this, to go the whole 9 yards. He is getting older now, so we must remember that he might just not want to cross the republicans again. So we might not be able to get him to run, in which case I think we like his son (a lot of us). So in any case we need to get him to run. Hopefully he will take us up on it.

On top of which, the Ineptitude of his campaign is frightening and we should run ourselves completely separate from HQ. I'm sure we've all heard of the ads both on TV and radio well after the primaries have closed. HQ is a disgrace. I think theres a mole in it too.

Lets not give up on Paul Lets soldier on to an Independent Victory against our ruling elite.

P4J

 

[literatim]

I don't know why people keep making these threads. It will be Ron Paul's choice on what he wants to do and forums posts won't influence it.

 

[Paul10]

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[blakjak]

I would still support it because it only takes like 2% to ruin the election for the Repubs.
They lose anyways though.

Yup, Repubs are losing regardless if Paul runs or not.

 

[colecrowe]

http://www.ronpaulwhitehouse.com/

 

[MrZach]

So pliable... So sad...

I hear no fat lady singing...

To all this Indy talk, I have one word to respond with:

NUTS!

 

[paul4justice]

The fat lady sung this morning, she screamed her freakin' head off. RP is NOT going to be the Republican Candidate. Get over it.

We need to think about pooling ourselves into an Independent format. Now, before its too late.

P4J

 

[MrZach]

Staying in the race is the best way to get the message out right now.

Americans want Drama - going Indy like everyone expected or challenging the GOP right down the convention in a Quixote style fight - which drama do you think is going to sell more tickets?

I think staying in the GOP race will get the message out best at this point... No "quitting" until a winner is crowned - THEN think about going Indy, but until then - keep up the drama... only half the states have voted at this point - there is still plenty of time to garner support and attention elsewhere...

Think BIG big picture on this one.

 

[paul4justice]

Drama? Lol, he is being ignored by the media. I think theres bout' a 0% chance of the average person having "drama" over RP. You might, they wont. He needs to get out there and Indy now. The longer hes Indy, the more people will take him serious because the longer they'll see all of us behind him. If he just comes out of nowhere they'll go "Yeah, right.... not throwin' my vote away". We need to push him like never ever before . And it needs to be Indy. What are we going to do at convention? Throw our (by then) 30 delegates down (against their 100's) and say "Make me President!". Pfft. Real Dramatic. I wouldn't even buy a ticket to see that. We need Indy and we need it now.

P4J

 

[RonPaulMTV]

Staying in the race is the best way to get the message out right now.

Americans want Drama - going Indy like everyone expected or challenging the GOP right down the convention in a Quixote style fight - which drama do you think is going to sell more tickets?

I think staying in the GOP race will get the message out best at this point... No "quitting" until a winner is crowned - THEN think about going Indy, but until then - keep up the drama... only half the states have voted at this point - there is still plenty of time to garner support and attention elsewhere...

Think BIG big picture on this one.

I agree. We literally haven't scratched the surface as far as awareness goes. Think of the platform he could have to spread his message. Don't know about you, but I don't trust the vote count one bit, so I think at this point it's more important that he goes all the way, shouting his message until the last day. If nothing else, he will go down in history as the the guy who tried to save falling America. I sure as hell am not voting for one of those shills.

 

[MrZach]

If Ron Paul goes Indy, he should go when no one expects it. Now would not be the time. It would be laughed at and then ignored. Momentum is still building. Going indy now will just crush the momentum.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

Running as an independent means one less Ron Paul Republican in congress. Use you brains people. He is much more valuable to the movement by focusing his efforts on his congressional run. There are other 3rd party candidates who can spread a libertarian message. Ron Paul is needed elsewhere.

 

[RonPaulMTV]

Drama? Lol, he is being ignored by the media. I think theres bout' a 0% chance of the average person having "drama" over RP. You might, they wont. He needs to get out there and Indy now. The longer hes Indy, the more people will take him serious because the longer they'll see all of us behind him. If he just comes out of nowhere they'll go "Yeah, right.... not throwin' my vote away". We need to push him like never ever before . And it needs to be Indy. What are we going to do at convention? Throw our (by then) 30 delegates down (against their 100's) and say "Make me President!". Pfft. Real Dramatic. I wouldn't even buy a ticket to see that. We need Indy and we need it now.

P4J

This is no time to quit. I don't know who really expected the Republican power base to just roll over and hand him the power. This transcends political party and it would be wrong to dismantle the infrastructure now when so many have worked hard for it.

 

[RonPaulMTV]

Running as an independent means one less Ron Paul Republican in congress. Use you brains people. He is much more valuable to the movement by focusing his efforts on his congressional run. There are other 3rd party candidates who can spread a libertarian message. Ron Paul is needed elsewhere.

He's so outnumbered in congress that I think it's time to continue to build on the profile he's gained so far. Imagine if he was one of three in the general. No better way to reach millions of people.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

He's so outnumbered in congress that I think it's time to continue to build on the profile he's gained so far. Imagine if he was one of three in the general. No better way to reach millions of people.

That's kinda the point. To get him and others like him in office. We have a better chance at sneaking in a few Ron Paul republicans then gaining even a small amount of momentum in the general election.

Democrats will not support a third party candidate because they've had a thing against third parties since Nader stole the election from Gore. And republicans aren't going to support a third party because they feel it's more important to keep the overwhelming democrats out of office. This is going to be the year of party loyalties. Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance.

It would do the movement more good to try to get as many people with Ron Paul's platform or at least allies of Ron Paul's platform into office. Even if it's just 2 or 3 people we can build from there. If you were expecting an overnight revolution then you got involved with the wrong movement.

 

[paul4justice]

Exactly RonpaulMTV one of the three. Right now he isn't one of any three. He is not going to be anything, we need him to commit to an Indy run.

P4J

 

[performance]

There is no way for the GOP to win. If you do a statistical analysis based on votes during the primaries its going to be 99% a democratic president.

From everything i've seen regarding Ron Paul's campaign, it does not look like he is trying to go for the presidential nomination it looks more like the beginning of a major party. If the Libertarians are trying to start a party this is the perfect time to start. Anti-republican momentum is huge and you cannot have an election with 1 choice.

Take a good hard look at his campaign staff and ask yourself whether these guys can really run for the Republican party. They can't. Its obvious.

I think a good question is would Ron paul supporters support him in a different party with the same platform?

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

What good has an indy run done for Anyone? Seriously. What good has it done? Are we going to be as successful as Ross Perot? Probably not. We don't have his resources and we certainly won't be gaining them. This is not going to be a year where people ditch their party loyalties. Democrats are scared to death of third parties taking votes from them and causing another republican win. Republicans are scared to death of the overwhelming support for democrats and will do whatever they can to keep them out of office, including avoiding third parties like the plague.

This is just not the year for success in the third party world.

Even if Ron Paul were to get invited to the debates, would it do any good? Did it do the Ross Perot platform any good? Nope. It only scared the republicans from voting third party because it led to a Clinton re-election.

If we want real change to happen we gotta take a look at the one 3rd partyish movement to be successful. I'm talking about the Neo-Cons. They didn't succeed by running third party. They succeeded by infiltrating one of the main parties. That's what we have to do. We have to slowly build up an army in congress. And then once we gain respect from the establishment that's when we take the white house.

 

[RonPaulMTV]

That's kinda the point. To get him and others like him in office. We have a better chance at sneaking in a few Ron Paul republicans then gaining even a small amount of momentum in the general election.

Democrats will not support a third party candidate because they've had a thing against third parties since Nader stole the election from Gore. And republicans aren't going to support a third party because they feel it's more important to keep the overwhelming democrats out of office. This is going to be the year of party loyalties. Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance.

It would do the movement more good to try to get as many people with Ron Paul's platform or at least allies of Ron Paul's platform into office. Even if it's just 2 or 3 people we can build from there. If you were expecting an overnight revolution then you got involved with the wrong movement.

Ron Paul is 72 - it's now or never, and he's a great communicator. Boosting his visibility will do more than anything else to inspire new young public servants to follow in his footsteps. Nothing is more powerful than an IDEA ... just ask Bob Dylan. It's a volatile time like the 60s and this movement has more substance than the hippie movement. The system is broken, the cracks must be exposed - you can't tiptoe slowly into an imploding government, you've got to make some noise. America as we know it is gone ... this is a new era as RP says.

 

[The Tao Of Bill]

Ron Paul is 72 - it's now or never, and he's a great communicator. Boosting his visibility will do more than anything else to inspire new young public servants to follow in his footsteps. Nothing is more powerful than an IDEA ... just ask Bob Dylan. It's a volatile time like the 60s and this movement has more substance than the hippie movement. The system is broken, the cracks must be exposed - you can't tiptoe slowly into an imploding government, you've got to make some noise. America as we know it is gone ... this is a new era as RP says.

Ron Paul is not needed to spread a message. That's our part not his. He did his part. It's time for him to continue the fight where he will actually have the power to do so. In congress along with the rest of the ron paul republicans we will try to get elected in november. What does Paul being 72 have anything to do with anything? Paul didn't invent this movement. He simply jumpstarted it. Others can take his place.