Ron Paul has a woman problem: Time to address it

[No Free Beer]

No. It is the way the message is framed.

Framed?

Gingrich cheated on two wives. Everyone knows it, including the women.

You tell me how to approach these women...

 

[low preference guy]

Oh, come on. It's a quote from a chick flick, for Christ sake. It was a joke.

LibertyEagle is a very serious person. Don't joke with her.

 

[LibertyEagle]

How about this part?

"I was just joking in my first sentence."

I was playing off a line Jack Nicholson said in the movie As Good as it Gets.

Haven't we talked about your tendency to take things too seriously?

This is simply an excuse for your poor post.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Framed?

Gingrich cheated on two wives. Everyone knows it, including the women.

You tell me how to approach these women...

It's not just women. I tried to explain it here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...o-address-it&p=4141711&viewfull=1#post4141711

 

[low preference guy]

That says more about your girlfriend than women in general.

The women entrance polls suggest otherwise.

 

[matt0611]

How about this. A whole lot of people over 40 perceive Dr. Paul as weak on national defense and siding with our enemies. Many also perceive him as being "anti-military". They do not hear a strategy for defending our country against our enemies and have interpreted him saying "anti-war" as being a pacifist. Many also do not know what he is talking about when he says business cycle or washing out the malinvestment and they do not hear what actual steps he will take that will result in them being able to find a job. Top all that off with the fact that they do not believe he can beat Obama. Voila.

Yep, its been said over and over. People just see Ron as weak on defense and they don't think he's electable. Not sure what we can do about these problems at this point. (IMO the campaign hasn't done nearly enough to address these issues). Without a doubt they are the two biggest impediments to Ron's campaign for Presidency.

But there is a woman problem too. I'm not sure what the root of it, I expect its a bunch of different things (age, false accusations of racial issues, false accusations of cutting government welfare day 1, etc).

 

[KingNothing]

Framed?

Gingrich cheated on two wives. Everyone knows it, including the women.

You tell me how to approach these women...

Sometimes voters do and think silly things, but they usually do so because they haven't had anyone they trust discuss issues they're worried about in a way that satisfied them.

All of the logic, all of the populist rancor, all of the virtue.... it's on our side. We've just got to continue to spend time helping others come to the conclusions that we have.

 

[The One]

This is simply an excuse for your poor post.

That "excuse" was in my "poor post". No edits.

 

[rpwi]

It's not Paul...it's not Romney...it's the libertarian message. For those of who have been following libertarian candidates for over a couple of decades here...we've seen the trend where women in general have a tough time buying into the libertarian message.

Ways to fix this... Women in Florida were the key constituent that voted last second and did so because of the negative ads against Newt. We need negative ads...they're not pretty, but they work...and polls show they are the most effective among women. If Paul is not willing to do this, then the PAC's after start taking more shots at Romney.

We need focus groups to figure out which libertarian ideas (there are lots to choose from) have the most appeal among women. I actually think Paul's anti-militaristic stance can be a powerfull asset here...he needs to frame the debate in a way that scares voters though (talk about the horrors/expense of war/and bad out budget is without war). I think the bailout issues and debt problem can also be good libertarian issues with women.

 

[low preference guy]

This is simply an excuse for your poor post.

your lack of sense of humor and hatred of it turns off more voters than all 9/11 truthers put together

 

[rpwi]

It's not Paul...it's not Romney...it's the libertarian message. For those of who have been following libertarian candidates for over a couple of decades here...we've seen the trend where women in general have a tough time buying into the libertarian message.

Ways to fix this... Women in Florida were the key constituent that voted last second and did so because of the negative ads against Newt. We need negative ads...they're not pretty, but they work...and polls show they are the most effective among women. If Paul is not willing to do this, then the PAC's after start taking more shots at Romney.

We need focus groups to figure out which libertarian ideas (there are lots to choose from) have the most appeal among women. I actually think Paul's anti-militaristic stance can be a powerfull asset here...he needs to frame the debate in a way that scares voters though (talk about the horrors/expense of war/and bad out budget is without war). I think the bailout issues and debt problem can also be good libertarian issues with women.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yep, its been said over and over. People just see Ron as weak on defense and they don't think he's electable. Not sure what we can do about these problems at this point. (IMO the campaign hasn't done nearly enough to address these issues). Without a doubt they are the two biggest impediments to Ron's campaign for Presidency.

It's very late in the game, yes, but we don't know what all may happen in the economy between now and the nomination. If Paul wants these people, in my opinion, he is going to need to go get them. They are still there for the plucking.

 

[LibertyEagle]

your lack of sense of humor and hatred for it turns off more voters than all 9/11 truthers put together

I have a sense of humor when something is funny. The 999th post wholesale bashing women voters is not funny; nor is it conducive to winning them over. But, perhaps it does give insight into one of the reasons why there are not more women in this movement. With the disgusting attitude that some of the "men" in the movement have towards women.

 

[low preference guy]

I have a sense of humor when something is funny. The 999th post wholesale bashing women voters is not funny; nor is it conducive to winning them over. But, perhaps it does give insight into one of the reasons why there are not more women in this movement. With the disgusting attitude that some of the "men" in the movement have towards women.

how does it feel to have so much hatred and anger in your heart?

 

[TruePatriot44]

Women don't care as much about Liberty and monetary policy. They care more about security.

 

[jufreese]

dont know if this has been said yet and I hope I dont get bashed for saying it but.....women dont use logic to formulate conclusions, they use emotion. We need to play off of that.

 

[No Free Beer]

It's not just women. I tried to explain it here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...o-address-it&p=4141711&viewfull=1#post4141711

But that isn't really addressing women. You are making an appeal to the general public.

I would agree with your assessment on the whole.

But specifically with women, it is them not us. Think about it. There has been a lot of time for women voters to hear about Gingrich's past. They don't seem to care. You would think that women would support a sensible foreign policy candidate. An OBYGN DOCTOR who has delivered more than 4,000 babies. A man who has been married now for, what, 54/55 years?

They have rejected Dr. Paul's character and message. (that may sound harsh)

It is on them, not us.

You may disagree and that is fine. I am just pointing out what I believe to be the truth.

And it sucks...

 

[KingNothing]

dont know if this has been said yet and I hope I dont get bashed for saying it but.....women dont use logic to formulate conclusions, they use emotion. We need to play off of that.

I would never bash you for speaking the truth, sir.

 

[No Free Beer]

dont know if this has been said yet and I hope I dont get bashed for saying it but.....women dont use logic to formulate conclusions, they use emotion. We need to play off of that.

I don't know if I nec. agree with that. There is no doubt that women perceive things differently than men.

But be prepared to get hammered! LOL

 

[Czolgosz]

I'm extremely shocked that we don't see eye to eye w/ women. lol If it wasn't for male human's need to pile drive everything that moves, Humanity would not exist.