Ron Paul Denies Saying He Wouldn’t Have Ordered Bin Laden Raid in Pakistan — But Here’s th

[Danke]

 

[donnay]

Flashback:




"We need to borrow $10 billion from China to give it to Mursharf who is a Military Dictator who overthrew and elected government and then we go to war-- we lose all these lives promoting democracy in Iraq--I mean what is going on here?"

 

[dodgers2213]

troofers are logically flawed. They'll fully believe, correctly so like most of us Ron Paul supporters, that government is inefficient and incapable of running programs--often screwing up and this needs little digging into further.
However, government is inefficient but at the same time managed to pull a veil over the entire the world except for a small band of enlightened individuals and orchestrate the attacks on 9/11....somehow cause this hoax of the WTC, Pentagon, and flight 93....the people who called their families are fakes, the government somehow managed to wire the buildings to blow up, depending on the troofers there weren't even planes (but those the "crazy ones" amongst the troofers). All this masterfully covered up, pretty rock solid so much so that every year "people come out" but make zero movements towards uncovering the criminals involved

Please, this hysteria hurts Ron Paul. Troofers bring enthusiasm to Ron Paul rallies and grassroots efforts but at the same time once they open their mouths, damage all of us with inconsistent logic, factually flawed youtube videos from Alex Jones or some other loon, misleading "facts", and essentially nothing of substance. You can't even discuss troofers the absurdity of their positions because they'll bombard you with endless questions and if they run across one you cannot answer, it makes it seem like are winning the argument--mirrors the silliness of psychics in cold reading

 

[Travlyr]

troofers are logically flawed. They'll fully believe, correctly so like most of us Ron Paul supporters, that government is inefficient and incapable of running programs--often screwing up and this needs little digging into further.
However, government is inefficient but at the same time managed to pull a veil over the entire the world except for a small band of enlightened individuals and orchestrate the attacks on 9/11....somehow cause this hoax of the WTC, Pentagon, and flight 93....the people who called their families are fakes, the government somehow managed to wire the buildings to blow up, depending on the troofers there weren't even planes (but those the "crazy ones" amongst the troofers). All this masterfully covered up, pretty rock solid so much so that every year "people come out" but make zero movements towards uncovering the criminals involved

Please, this hysteria hurts Ron Paul. Troofers bring enthusiasm to Ron Paul rallies and grassroots efforts but at the same time once they open their mouths, damage all of us with inconsistent logic, factually flawed youtube videos from Alex Jones or some other loon, misleading "facts", and essentially nothing of substance. You can't even discuss troofers the absurdity of their positions because they'll bombard you with endless questions and if they run across one you cannot answer, it makes it seem like are winning the argument--mirrors the silliness of psychics in cold reading

Liars are logically flawed. They are all over the media. People have been lied to for so long that they "can't handle the truth."

 

[James Madison]

troofers are logically flawed. They'll fully believe, correctly so like most of us Ron Paul supporters, that government is inefficient and incapable of running programs--often screwing up and this needs little digging into further.
However, government is inefficient but at the same time managed to pull a veil over the entire the world except for a small band of enlightened individuals and orchestrate the attacks on 9/11....somehow cause this hoax of the WTC, Pentagon, and flight 93....the people who called their families are fakes, the government somehow managed to wire the buildings to blow up, depending on the troofers there weren't even planes (but those the "crazy ones" amongst the troofers). All this masterfully covered up, pretty rock solid so much so that every year "people come out" but make zero movements towards uncovering the criminals involved

Please, this hysteria hurts Ron Paul. Troofers bring enthusiasm to Ron Paul rallies and grassroots efforts but at the same time once they open their mouths, damage all of us with inconsistent logic, factually flawed youtube videos from Alex Jones or some other loon, misleading "facts", and essentially nothing of substance. You can't even discuss troofers the absurdity of their positions because they'll bombard you with endless questions and if they run across one you cannot answer, it makes it seem like are winning the argument--mirrors the silliness of psychics in cold reading

Your argument doesn't make sense. The only reason people believe the government can't keep secrets is because the secrets it can't keep are already known to the public. Imagine all the secrets they actually keep secret. They're better at it than you think.

 

[Butchie]

Your argument doesn't make sense. The only reason people believe the government can't keep secrets is because the secrets it can't keep are already known to the public. Imagine all the secrets they actually keep secret. They're better at it than you think.

Secrets wasn't the issue, he's claiming that pulling off the things conspiracy theorist suggest most of the time are just not humanly possible. Even if there is some secret group out there hell bent on this and that at the end of the day they would still be flawed human beings. To suggest they can control large scale wars, market crashes, etc all with air tight perfection where not one little thing ever goes wrong is something that belongs in a James Bond movie.

Do govts lie to us, ofcourse, are the rich and powerful always trying to get more rich and powerful, ofcourse - does that make every major negative event in life a secret conspiracy - No.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

troofers are logically flawed. They'll fully believe, correctly so like most of us Ron Paul supporters, that government is inefficient and incapable of running programs--often screwing up and this needs little digging into further.
However, government is inefficient but at the same time managed to pull a veil over the entire the world except for a small band of enlightened individuals and orchestrate the attacks on 9/11....somehow cause this hoax of the WTC, Pentagon, and flight 93....the people who called their families are fakes, the government somehow managed to wire the buildings to blow up, depending on the troofers there weren't even planes (but those the "crazy ones" amongst the troofers). All this masterfully covered up, pretty rock solid so much so that every year "people come out" but make zero movements towards uncovering the criminals involved

Please, this hysteria hurts Ron Paul. Troofers bring enthusiasm to Ron Paul rallies and grassroots efforts but at the same time once they open their mouths, damage all of us with inconsistent logic, factually flawed youtube videos from Alex Jones or some other loon, misleading "facts", and essentially nothing of substance. You can't even discuss troofers the absurdity of their positions because they'll bombard you with endless questions and if they run across one you cannot answer, it makes it seem like are winning the argument--mirrors the silliness of psychics in cold reading

You're right that the government alone isn't competent to orchestrate 9/11 or anything like it. That's why they outsource that work to people who are competent. Example-as a translator, I can tell you that the CIA hires outsiders to train spies who work (spy) in other countries. The Rosetta Stone program is roughly modeled on what the CIA uses.

 

[RickyJ]

You and Newt have no proof of that. It's just another in a long line of pro-war propaganda points.

Was the US government hiding terrorists when we controlled Iraq and Afghanistan? Those countries were filled with terrorists, the US controlled the country, therefore the US was hiding them. There's an example of the logic being used here. Just because someone in Pakistan may have known where Bin Laden was hiding does not equate to "Pakistan was hiding him".

They have no proof Pakistan was hiding him and they also have no proof that they even killed Bin Laden or that he was even living there.

 

[RickyJ]

Your argument doesn't make sense. The only reason people believe the government can't keep secrets is because the secrets it can't keep are already known to the public. Imagine all the secrets they actually keep secret. They're better at it than you think.

They actually suck at keeping secrets but as long as they have the main stream media covering for them, they don't have to worry about it. The American public has been conditioned to believe their talking heads on established media outlets and to discount other accounts in non-established media as "conspiracy theories" despite even overwhelming evidence.

 

[jmdrake]

troofers are logically flawed.

At least truthers have logic. You clearly do not.

They'll fully believe, correctly so like most of us Ron Paul supporters, that government is inefficient and incapable of running programs--often screwing up and this needs little digging into further.

You mean like the FBI "screw up" by having their informant in the 1993 WTC bombing plot use real explosives and "accidentally" kill 7 Americans? That's admitted you know.



Also do you believe the moon landing was faked? I mean personally I don't by that conspiracy theory put out by people who believe, that government is inefficient and incapable of running programs. Seriously, you can't have it both ways. Either the government is too incompetent to pull of 9/11 or they are so incompetent that they had to have faked the moon landing.

I won't address the rest of your stupidity.

 

[RickyJ]

Liars are logically flawed. They are all over the media. People have been lied to for so long that they "can't handle the truth."

That is what is all boils down to, people afraid to admit they have been duped their whole lives basically by their government and the established media. Once you can admit this, then you will never see the world the same way again. The truth might hurt to hear, but it is better known than not known. You can't begin to change this country and world until you know who it is you should be fighting to change it.

 

[phill4paul]

troofers are logically flawed. They'll fully believe, correctly so like most of us Ron Paul supporters, that government is inefficient and incapable of running programs--often screwing up and this needs little digging into further.
However, government is inefficient but at the same time managed to pull a veil over the entire the world except for a small band of enlightened individuals and orchestrate the attacks on 9/11....somehow cause this hoax of the WTC, Pentagon, and flight 93....the people who called their families are fakes, the government somehow managed to wire the buildings to blow up, depending on the troofers there weren't even planes (but those the "crazy ones" amongst the troofers). All this masterfully covered up, pretty rock solid so much so that every year "people come out" but make zero movements towards uncovering the criminals involved

Please, this hysteria hurts Ron Paul. Troofers bring enthusiasm to Ron Paul rallies and grassroots efforts but at the same time once they open their mouths, damage all of us with inconsistent logic, factually flawed youtube videos from Alex Jones or some other loon, misleading "facts", and essentially nothing of substance. You can't even discuss troofers the absurdity of their positions because they'll bombard you with endless questions and if they run across one you cannot answer, it makes it seem like are winning the argument--mirrors the silliness of psychics in cold reading

Perceived government efficacy =/= actual efficacy.

 

[donnay]

Last night Ron did an excellent job of explaining the difference between al-Quaeda and the Taliban. They do not beat to the same drum.

And let us not forget they were propped up by the US when needed. The Taliban are on a rampage because we are protecting the poppy fields now. The Taliban wanted them destroyed.

Just like Dr. Paul says we prop up tin-pot dictators all over the globe and then are surprised when there is blowback.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

However, government is inefficient but at the same time managed to pull a veil over the entire the world except for a small band of enlightened individuals and orchestrate the attacks on 9/11....somehow cause this hoax of the WTC, Pentagon, and flight 93....the people who called their families are fakes, the government somehow managed to wire the buildings to blow up, depending on the troofers there weren't even planes (but those the "crazy ones" amongst the troofers). All this masterfully covered up, pretty rock solid so much so that every year "people come out" but make zero movements towards uncovering the criminals involved

The bumbling puppets in Congress are incredibly incompetent but those who work in the CIA and Pentagon certainly aren't. They're experts in terror, and they've benefited hugely from the staged 9/11 terror attacks.

Troofers bring enthusiasm to Ron Paul rallies and grassroots efforts but at the same time once they open their mouths, damage all of us with inconsistent logic, factually flawed youtube videos from Alex Jones or some other loon, misleading "facts", and essentially nothing of substance. You can't even discuss troofers the absurdity of their positions because they'll bombard you with endless questions and if they run across one you cannot answer, it makes it seem like are winning the argument--mirrors the silliness of psychics in cold reading

So you're saying that you cannot answer the questions of 9/11 truthers? Doesn't surprise me. It's very pathetic to see your rambling post try to compensate for your lack of smarts.

And it doesn't surprise me to see you not mention the controlled demolition of Building 7 and mention that the government lied and withheld information during the 9/11 Commission Hearing. You should be calling for a real investigation of this cover-up, but instead you're just hurling insults like a coward.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Again - it's all about how he frames his answer.

We KNOW he's against trampling on other people's sovereignty (which is apparently what every SC citizen in attendance loves) – the way to not fall in the trap of the question last night was to redirect:



You admit to what he was charging BUT you appeal to the bloodthirsty audience by saying you wanted him dead faster - and to their "conservatism" by saying you'd do it cheaper.

Debates are about redirecting and answering the main charge of the question.

FOX carefully crafts their questions to get a desired perception from the response — the goal with their debates is to answer the main charge in the question without giving into the perception they are searching for.

FOX doesn't care about the content of your response - they look to get a desired perception. So if they ask Dr. Paul about FP - it's less about what he'd actually do and more about making him look weak. The goal of any answer Dr. Paul should give is to show a non-interventionist FP is stronger than an interventionist FP.

Ron has actually questioned why OBL was killed at all; that he should have been captured instead.

So that type of statement wouldn't quite mesh with his previous statements on the issue.

 

[bolil]

Perceived government efficacy =/= actual efficacy.

That, +rep

 

[dodgers2213]

Like i said, I won't argue with the ironically brainwashed conspiracy theorists; You cannot win with them because they go off in tangents, lack focus, and their answers are not satisfactory on how utterly illogical their ideas really are. I will leave a link to the James Randi forums where there are plenty of threads addressing and openly discussing the absurdity of the 9/11 conspiracy so you can get your debate over there with someone who actually may care to entertain you. The 911 guide including debunking your prized WTC7 argument
is here
I do not agree with the Randi forums flaming liberal politics, but they do very very well at crushing conspiracies

fun fact, 4 years ago in high school I was an outspoken troofer but broke out of that nonsense when I looked upon it with more scrutiny. I changed in character to be more skeptical and dropped religious faith all together, found new heroes in Christopher Hitchens, James Randi, Derren Brown, Richard Dawkins, and others. The point of fact, 911 Troof and other popular conspiracy theories were incompatible with reason and evidence

 

[phill4paul]

Like i said, I won't argue with the ironically brainwashed conspiracy theorists; You cannot win with them because they go off in tangents, lack focus, and their answers are not satisfactory on how utterly illogical their ideas really are. I will leave a link to the James Randi forums where there are plenty of threads addressing and openly discussing the absurdity of the 9/11 conspiracy so you can get your debate over there with someone who actually may care to entertain you. The 911 guide including debunking your prized WTC7 argument
is here
I do not agree with the Randi forums flaming liberal politics, but they do very very well at crushing conspiracies

fun fact, 4 years ago in high school I was an outspoken troofer but broke out of that nonsense when I looked upon it with more scrutiny. I changed in character to be more skeptical and dropped religious faith all together, found new heroes in Christopher Hitchens, James Randi, Derren Brown, Richard Dawkins, and others. The point of fact, 911 Troof and other popular conspiracy theories were incompatible with reason and evidence

I gave you a short concise rebuttal to your first rant. You chose to ignore it because it exposed a flaw in that earlier diatribe. The FACT is it was never investigated to the fullest extent. And in this simple fact I am a 'troofer.' I don't know exactly what went down when it went down but I sure as hell would like to.

 

[GopBlackList]

Right, and tower whatever was blown up by the guberment, right? These points could help us plummet to single digits...keep em coming!

Thanks for saying that. It is conspiracy-tards that are hurting the campaign.

 

[BW2112]

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