Ron Paul campaign statement concerning Reince Priebus and RNC Rule 11

[Adrock]

Because some of the delegates are going into these conventions acting like complete animals, and he needs to distance RP from that. Bottom line.

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[odamn]

What in the fuck why is Benton kissing ass now

Because if your smart, you keep your friends close and your enemies closer ...

 

[RDM]

Because some of the delegates are going into these conventions acting like complete animals, and he needs to distance RP from that. Bottom line.

This I agree with. It's one thing to go into the delegate process and take care of the business at hand diligently and within the rules, but to do it acting like uncivilized animals doesn't do the movement or Ron Paul any good.

 

[Badger Paul]

"This should be a PURE wake-up call to ALL Grassroots. The remainder of this election to get Ron Paul in office rests completely on our shoulders and No One Else. That means ALL efforts with advertising, organizing, educating, delegate training, gotv, assisting delegates get to Tampa in transportation costs, hiring attorneys, hiring Parlamentarians, etc., etc., etc., are our COMPLETE responsibility NOW!!! To rely on the campaign at this point for ANYTHING is a futile effort to get Ron elected. "


At this point I concur. I'm not advocating anyone to act violently or go crazy but convention goers need to prepare themselves for what they have to do to get the job done. I know the Romney people are, so we must do the same.

If we believe in something bigger than Pauls, we have to press forward regardless what the campaign does or doesn't do.

 

[G-Wohl]

What in the fuck why is Benton kissing ass now

Benton used this same tactic when working on Rand Paul's campaign, and it was obviously effective.

RP has stated himself that the goal is to change the GOP. One can only accomplish such a monumental task by being cordial with one another on an official level.

Now, this does not imply at all that the grassroots supporters - those who will actually be responsible for representing RP at the Tampa convention - can't resort to all sorts of "underhanded" (strategic) politicking to get our way. That is hopefully what the campaign wants us to do - to do the dirty work that they can't do without appearing disloyal.

 

[Okie RP fan]

This I agree with. It's one thing to go into the delegate process and take care of the business at hand diligently and within the rules, but to do it acting like uncivilized animals doesn't do the movement or Ron Paul any good.

Definitely, and I think most of us on here, and most of our fellow supporters agree. However, there are always going to be those few crazy people who make our movement look bad. We really need to tell them to calm down when we can, I was so tempted to regarding a few of our people at the convention.

They really show an immature side of themselves sometimes, and when they do, it reflects poorly on us and Dr. Paul.

 

[thoughtomator]

The campaign's consent is immaterial. The rules state that all 50 state GOP organizations need to provide written consent to embark on this path while the nomination is still contested.

 

[gte811i]

Definitely, and I think most of us on here, and most of our fellow supporters agree. However, there are always going to be those few crazy people who make our movement look bad. We really need to tell them to calm down when we can, I was so tempted to regarding a few of our people at the convention.

They really show an immature side of themselves sometimes, and when they do, it reflects poorly on us and Dr. Paul.

IMO, things seem to go really poorly when we have a substantial minority, but not a majority. I was at a CD where we had ~43% minority. It went very similar to what happened in OK. With a >33% minority and especially close to a 50% majority you may get voted down, but you shouldn't get steamrolled.

While the minorities voice is always important and should be heard, it becomes extremely important that the closer a minority is to 50% the more their voice is heard. I think it is just something in human nature and especially in our system that when individuals feel they are a strong minority and they get railroaded they start to take drastic action. They realize that getting railroaded isn't just - regardless that they know they will lose. People want their voice heard - even if they will lose.

In those circumstances, it is really difficult to maintain composure over an injustice; especially if you don't know the rules. The only way that I maintained any measure of composure in our CD (and I was not happy), was to focus on the rules not people and to remember the decorum of conventions. RR states that no member should ever personally insult or attack another member even in debate-it should always be respectful.

Ultimately, it is up to each and every delegate to know the rules beforehand. If delegates have the responsibility of electing other delegates, then they should know the rules. The more each delegate knows the rules, shows up dressed for business (I'm actually appalled at how many people I saw at OK not dressed up to some extent- I know it is 2012 not 1912 but come on it's a business meeting for pete's sake act like it!), and speaks respectfully yet forcefully when needed, the more we will be able to win.

While we won our county and lost the district, I was very impressed with the people I showed up with . . . we were by far the best dressed, most knowledgeable and most respectful. Our entire county delegation was RP (except 1), yet I don't recall a single delegate with a RP shirt on, we were dressed to kill.

I know it is different in some states, but in my state and IMO the conventions are not for campaigning for candidates they are for business.

 

[tbone717]

I know it is different in some states, but in my state and IMO the conventions are not for campaigning for candidates they are for business.

Pretty much that is how it is in every state, but especially in the ones where the delegates are already bound based on the primary vote and the convention is just finishing the business of which bodies are going to fill the seats.

 

[freedomordeath]

The way I see it the victory fund is fine because apperently this will be spent after the convention, if one dime is spent on ROmney before the convention is over, then they are in clear violation.

BUT, if any of the RNC work with ROmney before the convention is over, this doesn't need to be money wise, purely support, then this is a voilation of rule 11 and we should chip in and hire lawyers to challenge this. We must not only make Romney aware we not gonna go anywhere, but the RON PAUL campaign that any back room deals will be a total flop because we'll drag RP on the stage if we have to as president. THIS RAND PAUL TALK is rubbish, because 4 years is a long time, who knows we might all be chipped and in FEMA camps by then. RAND PAUL can sort himself out in 2016, you have seen the sheeple, one or 2 CNN/FOX programes later and they re-programmed, kinda like a etcha sketch mind control. 4 years is like a 400 sheeple years.

Also in primary states where the delgates are bound and RP campaign not on the ground there, grassroots don't wait, we take control if we can and unbind if we can, we don't ask, if its within the rules, we take what is ours.

 

[freedomordeath]

lol.. I read an article where it asks "Has Ron Paul lost control of his supporters". I totally agree with you thoughtomator, we don't ask, we take back the republic.

 

[tbone717]

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[MelissaCato]

All the more reason to get Ron Paul the GOP nomination. We can do this !! Ron Paul 2012 !!

 

[Bilgefisher]

Who am I to argue with a 12 term congressmen on how to conduct his campaign. All I can do is continue to push forward and support the cause of liberty. I consider Ron Paul the spark that has reignited the fires for liberty. He will do what he needs to, and so will we.

Priebus has sowed his own fate. The memory of this movement is much longer than your average voter. When the opportunity arises, he will have to find a new committee to chair, the grassroots will see to it.

 

[lib3rtarian]

So Benton basically said, "Yes, Ron Paul is still running against Romney, but if you want to back Romney right now and give the impression to everyone that the race is decided and Romney is the nominee, then please go ahead."? Makes no sense, because RNC getting on board with Romney kills all our soft support.

I never cared for Benton anyway. All I can say is - as far as we are concerned, NOTHING CHANGES. We still fight for delegates in every convention. If Ron Paul doesn't win the nomination, it shouldn't be for the grassroots' lack of trying. We give it our everything.

I also second the idea of supporting the local candidates, because after Ron, I certainly don't want to put all my eggs in the Rand basket. His support for sanctions on Iran and his speech to the Iowa Christian nutjobs have turned me off and made me cautious. We should diversify our "investment" (money and manpower) and invest in local liberty candidates, because this r3volution is going to be bottom-up, not top-down. We dropped the ball on Glen Bradley because everyone was so obsessed with Paul that no one was giving him any attention (donating or volunteering). We had a golden chance to elect someone equally pure as Paul, but we screwed it up. Let's push to get Massie, Karen Kwiatkowski, Sheriff Mack etc. elected. In 2016, we don't want Rand being another loner like Paul fighting the entire Establishment. Let's change some of the Establishment at least before 2016.

 

[XTreat]

Jesse Benton on rule 11

Seems that our campaign made a deal with the RNC

http://www.sunherald.com/2012/05/13/3944662/ron-paul-campaign-statement-concerning.html

 

[bluesc]

"Our" campaign? Their campaign, full of people with personal ambitions way beyond 2012.

The grassroots will go on.

 

[Oddone]

Getting tired of the campaign. In the other thread Doug Wead pulls the same crap with OK.

 

[KevinYeaux]

This was reported weeks ago, Benton's just confirming that Paul approved the RNC Victory Fund being set up.

 

[LibertyEagle]

"Our" campaign? Their campaign, full of people with personal ambitions way beyond 2012.

The grassroots will go on.

Do you want to pull your deeply embedded foot out of your mouth on this one?