Ron Paul, Buy a 15 Minute Block Of TV Time. Subvert The MSM! Speak To The People!

[angelatc]

When you have limited funds it really is. Why don't you see small campaigns doing tv spots? Because they're not as effective as other tactics.

Duh. Ron Paul isn't exactly a small campaign. And based only on the interest expressed in the idea in this thread, the money might not be an issue. If people believe, they'll pony up.

 

[trey4sports]

Wow... that's just not true. We have used them with great results in local elections for the state legislature. They were surprisingly affordable and generated outstanding results. Conversely, we saw rather poor results from direct mail pieces when we tracked them directly. When considered in conjunction with a combined marketing effort, the direct mail pieces did slightly better. This is a completely normal result in a combined marketing effort. The methods you are supporting are only part of a total marketing strategy... and will fail when used in isolation.

It sounds like you took training from CFL and have been misinformed... or, do you actually work for CFL or the campaign?

Yes, i'm sure the people who do this for a living are misinformed.

Yes - something is being planned. To save you a bunch of time reading through the thread - any post by Napolian's Shadow, Agent Orange or Tray4sports can be ignored as about 1/4th of the posts are their effort to derail this project and mostly all say the same thing. At least one is a confirmed campaign staffer. They are using classic trolling tactics to stir up shit.

You might also want to skip posts by parocks.

-t

C'mon now, if you're gonna hate, the least you can do is get my name right.

 

[erowe1]

If either the campaign or RevPAC decide to raise funds for something like this, I'll donate. But I can't see myself doing it if it's just a grassroots project.

 

[angelatc]

I haven't read much of this thread at all, including whatever those people have said. So I apologize if this is repeating anything. And I hope I'm not coming across as negative.

But why not just keep donating to the campaign and RevPAC, and if they decide that that's a good use of the funds they get then they can bankroll it? Or, if they want to raise funds specifically for an infomercial, they can send out an email. I'm sure they'd raise more toward it than a grassroots upstart group would.

The problem with that might be actually getting Ron Paul to do the ad though. No doubt that money talks - if RevPAC miraculously raised $60 million dollars and approached Ron with the idea of spreading his message with a paid prime time spot, he might be more likely to consider it. But if they raised $1 million, and Ron refused - the PAC would catch endless grief for collecting under false pretenses, so to speak.

We can bring it up with RevPac though - nothing to lose.

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

We all know the campaign is deaf to us.

That's not true. I've been told that many people in the campaign read the Forums, especially the "campaign suggestion box".

It is absurd to say that Perot's television spots turned people off. He went from 3% to 32% instantly. Perhaps it is a different era, but the sitting president used the same technique during the last election.

There is no legitimate reason to think that this will hurt Ron Paul.

Perot had billions of dollars. Ron Paul has a few million. Perot had essentially unlimited resources, Ron Paul does not. So this would hurt Ron in the fact that it would be diverting resources to a less effective method of winning votes away from a more effective method of winning votes.

 

[trey4sports]

Duh. Ron Paul isn't exactly a small campaign. And based only on the interest expressed in the idea in this thread, the money might not be an issue. If people believe, they'll pony up.

Honestly, it is somewhat of a small campaign. Yes, it has raised more money than several other campaigns but historically 5 million per quarter (Our Q2 fund-raising total) is still going to be more of a dollar-menu campaign. in Q2 of 07 these were the fund-raising totals...

Rudy G. - 17 M
Romney - 14 M
McCain - 11 M

Obama - 33 M
Hillary - 27 M
Edwards - 9 M
Richardson - 7 M

 

[Tarzan]

Yes, i'm sure the people who do this for a living are misinformed.

Good... at least we agree. Now, back to the questions you did not answer:
Do you work for CFL or the campaign?
Did you take training from CFL?

 

[angelatc]

Honestly, it is somewhat of a small campaign. Yes, it has raised more money than several other campaigns but historically 5 million per quarter (Our Q2 fund-raising total) is still going to be more of a dollar-menu campaign. in Q2 of 07 these were the fund-raising totals...

Rudy G. - 17 M
Romney - 14 M
McCain - 11 M

Obama - 33 M
Hillary - 27 M
Edwards - 9 M
Richardson - 7 M

Yes, but at this point I realize we're not talking about the campaign's money, so I'm not sure why the campaign even cares. I'm not seeking approval from them.

You've failed to convince me that this is a bad idea. I remember what the grass roots will do when their heart is in it, and I also remember what I heard that changed me into a Ron Paul supporter.

 

[trey4sports]

Good... at least we agree. Now, back to the questions you did not answer:
Do you work for CFL or the campaign?
Did you take training from CFL?

no to both.

Yes, but at this point I realize we're not talking about the campaign's money, so I'm not sure why the campaign even cares. I'm not seeking approval from them.

You've failed to convince me that this is a bad idea. I remember what the grass roots will do when their heart is in it, and I also remember what I heard that changed me into a Ron Paul supporter.

Fair enough. We'll have to agree to disagree on the idea of an infomercial, but hey, if you guys go through with it I'll be more than happy to eat my words if i'm wrong. I just don't want to see money being diverted from the campaign where it could be used on proven vote-getting tactics.

 

[Tarzan]

no to both.

Thanks for the answer, truly!

If you are willing, I would truly be interested in knowing how you achieved your perspective on effective political campaigning and marketing strategies. Seriously... not trying to start any sh*t... genuinely curious.

I have worked in marketing for quite some time. I am basing my posts, not on guesses, but on what I have learned over the years. I have also volunteered and participated in a number of local campaigns (local and state legislature stuff) and we have good success... actually, only one loss... but it was easy to see coming... long story). I have worked as an art director and creative for large advertising agencies so I have some actual experience and have produced genuine results (otherwise, they fire you).

When I look at the experience and success level of those working on the official campaign... then hear their vociferous remarks about "what works"... then see perfectly valid ideas being trashed by those with limited professional credentials, abilities and results... then witness the implacable nature of these individuals and their reticence to entertain any thinking beyond their own preconceived notions... I have grave concerns about the direction and capabilities of this campaign staff.

Again... I am sincerely interested in knowing how you came about the conclusions you have expressed. I am also not trying to get into a pissing contest or 'trump' you. Valid ideas can come from all sectors. But, I have asked you to tell us something about your life and experiences, so I have shared some of mine... I felt it only fair to do the same while asking this of you.

 

[angelatc]

no to both.



Fair enough. We'll have to agree to disagree on the idea of an infomercial, but hey, if you guys go through with it I'll be more than happy to eat my words if i'm wrong. I just don't want to see money being diverted from the campaign where it could be used on proven vote-getting tactics.

It's not your money. Nice to know where we stand, though.

 

[trey4sports]

Thanks for the answer, truly!

If you are willing, I would truly be interested in knowing how you achieved your perspective on effective political campaigning and marketing strategies. Seriously... not trying to start any sh*t... genuinely curious.

I have worked in marketing for quite some time. I am basing my posts, not on guesses, but on what I have learned over the years. I have also volunteered and participated in a number of local campaigns (local and state legislature stuff) and we have good success... actually, only one loss... but it was easy to see coming... long story). I have worked as an art director and creative for large advertising agencies so I have some actual experience and have produced genuine results (otherwise, they fire you).

When I look at the experience and success level of those working on the official campaign... then hear their vociferous remarks about "what works"... then see perfectly valid ideas being trashed by those with limited professional credentials, abilities and results... then witness the implacable nature of these individuals and their reticence to entertain any thinking beyond their own preconceived notions... I have grave concerns about the direction and capabilities of this campaign staff.

Again... I am sincerely interested in knowing how you came about the conclusions you have expressed. I am also not trying to get into a pissing contest or 'trump' you. Valid ideas can come from all sectors. But, I have asked you to tell us something about your life and experiences, so I have shared some of mine... I felt it only fair to do the same while asking this of you.

I have a background in marketing as well. I founded an affiliate marketing company about two years back. Granted, my expertise is not in political marketing, however, my point all along has been that the people who do this for a living know what they're doing and folks from the campaign have been on this board and stated numerous times that an infomercial is just diverting resources from more productive uses. Historical precedent has also shown that other tactics are used way more often than infomercials. Typically the only campaigns that put out infomercials are campaigns that have mega-funds and have tapped all of the more cost-efficient methods of gaining votes.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I haven't read much of this thread at all, including whatever those people have said. So I apologize if this is repeating anything. And I hope I'm not coming across as negative.

But why not just keep donating to the campaign and RevPAC, and if they decide that that's a good use of the funds they get then they can bankroll it? Or, if they want to raise funds specifically for an infomercial, they can send out an email. I'm sure they'd raise more toward it than a grassroots upstart group would.

We were talking about REVPAC doing unding and maybe production. right now it's been more about content, strategy, where when, how to get ppl to watch it, intended audience and cost

what the trolls have been saying over and over and over again is that we should only focus on likely primary republican voters, that we should give all out money t the official campaign and that we should spend all out time door knocking and phone banking for the campaign using slim jims purchases and blessed by the campaign. ie: be good little, boring campaign volunteers and exercise no originality.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Tarzan,

can you help out with viewership figured by day of the week during prime time for cable?

also, what is the legality of using clips of a public figure broadcast on network TV shows and C-SPAN? Would we have to worry about IP rights here?

I'm thinking strategy here. Several variations:

First off, it would be ideal to broadcast on a lot of channels at the same time and skip the ads promoting the show. That could be difficult and expensive to pull off, but anyone channel surfing is going to run into it.

The original concept was to air at a particular time and channel and promote it with a clusterbomb of 30 second ads for like a week across many channels.

It would ideally run nationwide in a prime time spot. The easiest way to do this and to get the most viewers would be to do it over the Christmas holiday. I'm thinking people will be together and it should be a lot easier to get a prime time slot(s) because it's between the fall/winter season of shows but before the spring season starts - it's normally filled up with christmas shows, so landing a 7 or 8pm weekday slot should be a lot easier.

Or we could do something more targeted. Looking at the primaries through SuperTuesday II there are 17 stated that are eithor open or semi-closed. While urging people to register republican won't hurt, it's going to be a lot easier to just urge them to show up and participate. I think we would get better followup that way. As a ballpark measure, Iowa would cost $7,500 to cover that state through the 3 cable networks. x 17 and it's about $128,000, however, the more you buy, the less expensive it gets. So less. But that is before an ad campaign promoting the show.

Another way to target might be ranking by number of electoral votes a state is worth or cost to broadcast in that state divided by electoral votes.


EARLY STATES #### (3)
1/21 South Carolina Primary – open
1/24 Louisiana caucuses - closed
1/24 New Hampshire primary - semi-closed
1/24 West Virginia County Republican Conventions - closed
1/31 Florida Primary - closed
2/3 Maine Municipal caucuses (Municipal? - is this us?) - closed
2/6 Iowa Caucus – open

SUPER TUESDAY I ### (5)
2/7 Alaska District Conventions (District is this us?) - closed
2/7 Northern Marianas Precinct Caucuses
2/7 Georgia Primary – open
2/7 Minnesota Precinct Caucuses non-binding straw poll (does this matter?) - open
2/7 Missouri Primary – open
2/7 North Dakota Primary – open
2/7 New Jersey Primary - semi-closed

BETWEEN STATES ## (3)
2/10 Wyoming non binding straw poll (does this matter?) - closed
2/11 Washington precinct caucuses - ukn
2/18 Nevada precinct caucuses - closed
2/18 Georgia precinct mass meetings (does this matter?) <== already counted ST1
2/21 Wisconsin primary – open
2/24 Minnesota BPOU Conventions (does this matter?) <== already counted ST1
2/25 American Somoa territorial caucuses
2/25 Northern Marianas commonwealth convention
2/26 Puerto Rico territorial caucus
2/28 Arizona primary - semi-closed
2/28 Michigan primary – open

SUPER TUESDAY II # (7)
3/6 Idaho county caucuses – open
3/6 Colorado precinct caucuses - semi-closed
3/6 Massachusetts primary - semi-closed
3/6 Oklahoma primary - closed
3/6 Tennessee primary - open
3/6 Texas primary – open
3/6 Virginia primary - open
3/6 Vermont primary - open

thoughts anyone?

-t

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

blimp

 

[Napoleon's Shadow]

We were talking about REVPAC doing unding and maybe production. right now it's been more about content, strategy, where when, how to get ppl to watch it, intended audience and cost

what the trolls have been saying over and over and over again is that we should only focus on likely primary republican voters, that we should give all out money t the official campaign and that we should spend all out time door knocking and phone banking for the campaign using slim jims purchases and blessed by the campaign. ie: be good little, boring campaign volunteers and exercise no originality.

Being "original" doesn't achieve electoral victory. Implementing proven methods achieves electoral victory.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Being "original" doesn't achieve electoral victory. Implementing proven methods achieves electoral victory.

Oh complete YAWN!

Don't you get that RP's support base is totally different than your average Republican candidate?

Give it up already - you are getting OLD!

-t

 

[trey4sports]

Oh complete YAWN!

Don't you get that RP's support base is totally different than your average Republican candidate?

Give it up already - you are getting OLD!

-t

None of that is relevant. The question is which methods are the most successful for gaining votes.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

None of that is relevant. The question is which methods are the most successful for gaining votes.

I see the usual suspects are talking and coordinating for a counter attack to again attempt to derail this project....


-t

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Your efforts make me want to do this more!

And support the official campaign MUCH LESS! - I do not think I am alone here!

GO AWAY TROLL!