Ron Paul being cautiously optimistic

Dr. Paul couldn't be happier to see the Corporate Media start to lose their strangle grip on propaganda.

IMO, to that end, a fair amount of credit goes to Musk and what he's done with Twitter.
 
Dr. Paul taking a well deserved victory lap at the start of that video, praising Daniel as well.

Finally getting some way overdue recognition since 08 and 12.
 
I think Daniel was correct, stating that the Dr. Paul/Elon exchange went viral.

Went on YouTube to search the Big Dog ad and a ton of Ron Paul videos were popping up.

Definitely hit the algorithm.
 
Dr. Paul stating that he would advise on where and how to downsize government but wouldn't accept an actual position...

This is the one area where I disagree with Dr. Paul.

He should never have left Congress.

And if given the opportunity to go back to DC in an official capacity, he should accept it.
 
I'm more of a cynic regarding Musk and Vance's backgrounds, but I think in Ron Paul's position it's understandable he'd want to get his name out there as much as he can and it's smart to not make an official endorsement one way or the other.
 
Okay. So someone convince me tha Dr Paul is actually going to have a place in the Trump administration to not only advise but to make policy decisions on completely tear down this behemoth and I’m seriously considering going to the pols this afternoon and casting a Trump ballot.
 
Okay. So someone convince me tha Dr Paul is actually going to have a place in the Trump administration to not only advise but to make policy decisions on completely tear down this behemoth and I’m seriously considering going to the pols this afternoon and casting a Trump ballot.

Before I convince you, may I ask, are you in a Blue, Red or swing state?
 
Okay. So someone convince me tha Dr Paul is actually going to have a place in the Trump administration to not only advise but to make policy decisions on completely tear down this behemoth and I’m seriously considering going to the pols this afternoon and casting a Trump ballot.
Anybody who thinks there's any chance of that is crazy. There may be reason to hope that he will be given some shred of influence. But nothing like what you say. That is not what Trump wants, it's not what he ran on, and it's not what his supporters want.
 
Anybody who thinks there's any chance of that is crazy. There may be reason to hope that he will be given some shred of influence. But nothing like what you say. That is not what Trump wants, it's not what he ran on, and it's not what his supporters want.

Sir, please do not speak unless spoken to, thank you.
 
Okay. So someone convince me tha Dr Paul is actually going to have a place in the Trump administration to not only advise but to make policy decisions on completely tear down this behemoth and I’m seriously considering going to the pols this afternoon and casting a Trump ballot.

Elon Musk will and he is REQUESTING to have Ron Paul's input in an official capacity. Ron Paul is the one who wants to do so, but only an an un-official capacity.

Elon Musk has not REQUESTED input from any of the other 8 billion people on the planet.

Only Ron Paul.

If that isn't good enough for you, then you don't deserve to have a good country.
 
If that isn't good enough for you, then you don't deserve to have a good country.

I know for a fact you're older than this. If you were like 24 years old and still believed every fairy tale politics tells you, that would be one thing, but you've been around here for this entire time and there's not much excuse for it.

Okay. So someone convince me tha Dr Paul is actually going to have a place in the Trump administration to not only advise but to make policy decisions on completely tear down this behemoth and I’m seriously considering going to the pols this afternoon and casting a Trump ballot.

Ok, the thing is, I'm going, and I've talked as much shit about voting in the last month as anyone but PAF. I'm not going to convince you, but I'll tell you why.

I 100% do not believe Dr Paul is going to have much voice in what happens. Mostly because Dr Paul himself said he doesn't want an official position in one of the vids above. But we'll get to him.

I'm going in and voting for a few reasons.

1) We've gotten to the point where we can instantly tell whether someone is pandering or honestly believes what they're saying. Trump definitely spends a lot of time pandering, but he has surrounded himself with people who don't. Trump is also impressionable (he's been repeatedly blaming that impressionability on why he did certain things last time). If he wins, the people who are going to be surrounding him in the aftermath and taking advantage of that impressionability are all people who honestly believe what they're saying.

2) All of the people in his current orbit are against the war in Ukraine. And the one thing I've heard Trump say that I actually believe is that he wants to wind that whole chapter down. I think this is a given: if Trump wins, Ukraine ends. If Harris wins, Ukraine turns into Afghanistan. That is a certainty.

3) It's not insignificant that RFKjr is in his orbit now. Have you tried to get healthcare for anything that isn't a physical injury recently? The US healthcare system is great if you have a broken arm or need a knee replacement - magical even. But if you have literally any other problem, it is worse than useless. Am I convinced something will happen with it? No - but this is the first of many "there's a chance" things going on right now. The worst outcome for all of these is that there will be a half-hearted fight about it that gets lost in the short term but has a Goldwater/Paul effect where maybe 16 years later people will be thinking about it more. That's worth an hour of my time.

4) Vivek is in his orbit. Before I was thinking I'd vote for RFK I was excited about the idea of voting for Vivek. I have more overlap with Vivek's position than I have had with anyone since Ron Paul (not even Rand!) and he's going to be right there influencing Trump. Same category - is it a guarantee? Hell no. But it's a start, and the best start we've had since 2012.

5) Tulsi Gabbard is in his orbit. This is more of a stretch - but she's going to continue to get national attention and I think any attention paid to people who are authentic and aren't dirty slimy rotten Democrats is attention well spent. Her transition is important because it's a shift away from dirty politics as usual and toward supporting people who are actual human beings. We are being shown that we don't have to just accept the status quo. No, I don't have much overlap with her on policies. But if we can work toward a future where we as a society can have legitimate differences that we're able to discuss rationally, that's a win. Her joining the team represents a rejection of the lies, strawmanning, gaslighting, and everything else that went into our decisions not to vote for the last 12 years.

6) Joe Rogan is in his orbit. This is what pushed me over the edge. Joe Rogan is a normal dude who talks to normal dudes. He also introduces normal dudes to advanced concepts. He's objectively one of the best communicators in the world right now. And he's the current kingmaker.
As Dave Smith pointed out - if Trump wins, then the legacy media will be irreparably crippled forever. The narrative writes itself: If you do new media you win, if you rely on old media, you lose. That's pretty damned important.
"You don't hate media enough. You think you do, but you don't."
If you want to hate media enough, this is your chance.

7) Last of all there's the miniscule chance that the Elon Musk effort will bear fruit. I'm the least hopeful about this and everyone should not expect much. But you know what? It's the first time anyone has said anything this drastic since Ron Paul called for immediately axing 5 whole departments. If Elon does talk to Ron, then we may actually get close to getting something Ron was promising.
Moreover, there's already a path to follow. Argentina did it - and yes, Argentina did it half-assed according to us. But they still did it. And the world has been watching... and ignoring it. They have to, because it's working. It's objectively working.
This may - just may - be a time for that to happen in America. Again, not hopeful. But it's at least possible.
 
And yes, I do realize that everything I wrote is essentially the same reason we've heard people are voting for Harris.
This is the way politics works today. We're not voting for a person, we're voting for a system.
Trump's system stands a chance of being not quite the swift kick in the balls.
 
I love that Dr. Paul has been trending recently. I'm hopeful his voice is allowed to be heard if this election goes well. Also, i have not logged in 11 years from looking at my account. I hope everyone is doing well. Life is crazy, but here i am as remembering the man who lit the spark of freedom in me in 2007.
 
And yes, I do realize that everything I wrote is essentially the same reason we've heard people are voting for Harris.
This is the way politics works today. We're not voting for a person, we're voting for a system.
Trump's system stands a chance of being not quite the swift kick in the balls.


You give far too much credit to Harris supporters. The only argument the vast majority of them are making is that a) she’s a woman b) ABORTION! c) Trump is literally Hitler


I love that Dr. Paul has been trending recently. I'm hopeful his voice is allowed to be heard if this election goes well. Also, i have not logged in 11 years from looking at my account. I hope everyone is doing well. Life is crazy, but here i am as remembering the man who lit the spark of freedom in me in 2007.


All of this is (the timeline and characters on the stage) strange. So strange.
 
For the first time since 2007 we have chance for Ron Paul to actually alter this shitty system. Even if its a Hail Mary, I am taking the shot every time.

We all know this country is dominated by statists that out number us. We also know that it is worth fighting for, otherwise we have only been on this forum for these last 17 years to bitch and moan.
 
You give far too much credit to Harris supporters. The only argument the vast majority of them are making is that a) she’s a woman b) ABORTION! c) Trump is literally Hitler

I don't remember the context but shortly after she was announced to be the nominee the question came up about what she has ever done that qualified her, and the actual answer given was 'you're not voting for Harris, you're voting for the system that's going to follow her in'. That wasn't said by the right or even ironically. That was the serious reply.

Also I wanted to add that I've been saying repeatedly "give me something to vote FOR and I'll vote, because I refuse to vote AGAINST".
I'm glad Harris has a relative monopoly on the voting-against vote this time.
 
Appreciate those of you all appeasing me and helping me make sense of this. Even Danno…lol.
Yeah I don’t think any of us deserve any of this. Against my better judgement I’m going for the Hail Mary. I’ll probably get fooled again but the mere chance of Paul whispering in Trumps ear and it taking is a huge opportunity that just seemed no existent in 2012 after the Revolution died down…
I don’t have any faith Trump can tackle the Deep State significantly in 4 years even if he was 100% committed, but maybe there’s another chance people will open their eyes as the resistance to change grows.
 
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