Ron Paul: Barack Obama is Not a Socialist

[hugolp]

anyone know how liberals reacted to this? what are their sites and comments from them?

Reddit r/politics had a mixed reaction. Some liked it, others tried to defend Obama and atack Paul.

 

[QueenB4Liberty]

If Obama could have gotten a public option he would have. I mean why even pretend like this is not the case? What is the deal?

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YouTube - SHOCK UNCOVERED: Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance



I am not buying anything...what is with you? This is incredibly naive. He will take anything he can get. He has publicly and privately stated public option was on his agenda many times. And he said this knowing that he had to try and moderate what he wanted for political reasons. I mean what world do you live in?

Obama was none to happy to have all the compromises. This is getting downright silly, sometimes it makes sense to look at the facts and make a logical conclusion rather than some crazy roundabout conspiracy angle.

Well, actions speak louder than words. He's a corporatist much more than a socialist. If he was a socialist then he wouldn't have signed a bill the insurance companies wrote.

 

[brandon]

I wonder if RP reads ronpaulforums...http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=236803

If so I feel flattered.

 

[Vessol]

I've been saying this for a long time.

Obama is not a socialist. Socialism is ineffective, corrupt and downright stupid, but Obama follows a much more insideous agenda.

He is a Corporatist. He works for the banks and corporations, not for the people.

Anyone who is using the socialist dogma in my opinion is just another right-winger Fox-nut. Ready to vote in another Corporatist in the guise of a "conservative".

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I agree with RP on this one, but I think "fascialist" is a better word. JMHO.

 

[ctiger2]

YouTube - Ron Paul: Obama is NOT a Socialist. Obama is a Corporatist!

 

[Depressed Liberator]

And what it is the real difference between facist, corporativist and socialist? Because they all seem awfully simillar to me. Diferent rethorics, same results.

You really do not know what those words mean, that is the problem.

 

[CUnknown]

Yeah, there is actually a pretty significant difference between Socialism and Fascism. Socialism wishes to expand state power at the expense of corporate power, whereas Fascism wishes to expand state power in order to expand corporate power. They both want to expand state power, so they are similar at least in that respect.

Now, Corporatism is just another word for Fascism, to me. It's a "nicer" word to use that doesn't conjure up images of the Holocaust.

Fascism was called "National Socialism," but back then socialism was popular and everyone wanted to be called a socialist. That's why the Nazis used that name, more or less.

Bernie Sanders, Ralph Nader, and Dennis Kucinich are basically socialists, but they are certainly not Corporatists. Pretty much every other politician is a Corporatist, lol. And of course Ron Paul is an example of a conservative, one of the few.

 

[Stary Hickory]

Well, actions speak louder than words. He's a corporatist much more than a socialist. If he was a socialist then he wouldn't have signed a bill the insurance companies wrote.

He signed it because it gives government much more control. He is pushing towards socialized medicine. If he had signed nothing he would be no where at all, whereas this bill gives government control over the health care industry and American lives. It was a compromise that had to be done.

The HC bill must be killed. I don't even refer to it as a law...I don't consider it a law.

 

[TroySmith]

Using "The New Fascism: Rule by Consensus" as a source:

Socialism - theory of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production, capital, land, in the community as a whole.

Fascism - a system with strong centralized power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all affairs of the nation.

Statism - the principle or policy of concentrating extensive economic, political, and related controls in the state at the expense of individual liberty.

Now, this would mean that socialism and fascism are two different branches of statism. Obama is clearly a statist, but after some thought I think he is closer to a fascist than a socialist (although the end result is very similar) in that he is doing all he can to silence any and all opposition and criticism of him. To me, that part seems ok. In theory, although often not in practice, socialist will permit criticism or opposition.

 

[awake]

He is a Obamalist. Half non-socialist, half Harry Potter.

 

[alaric]

I find this to be extremely inaccurate. Obama is a Socialist, he is doing as much as he can get away with. The Public Option - Socialized medicine has always been his goal. What he has done is to try to nudge things in that direction.

The HC Bill will destroy private health care as we know it. This is not accidental. The notion that he is not a socialist because he cannot seem to ram it through congress is silly. Lenin himself could not get such legislation through.

Socialist is just a word people use to describe obamayomama to avoid calling him a communist. I think traitor is a better description. Of course, he would have to be a citizen to be a traitor. hmmmmm, where does that leave me.