Ron Paul & B. Frank will Introduce Bill Thurs. 2 Decriminalize Marijuana at Fed level

[idirtify]

The young people knew about Dr. Paul's stance on decriminalizing drugs at the federal level during the last election. However, that did not seem to cause them to register as Republicans and vote in the primary.

Maybe they were too stoned. I'm not really seeing how it will be any different this time around. Hopefully, I will be wrong.

I noticed that you quickly criticize anything that looks like criticism of Christians, but you quickly ridicule pot smokers. Why is that? Just scroll back to page 11 and 12 and read your own points about needing to not bash a certain voter block. So why can you not apply that same reasoning to pot smokers?

 

[gregb]

I disagree with prioritizing it at the expense of other issues that voters obviously, conclusively, and undeniably consider more important.

That’s just another wording of the same thing, and you have failed to show that the issue isn’t popular/“important” enough to prioritize. Did you miss where I showed that you made blatantly false claims about what Rasmussen proved? Please read back.

No kidding. At this point unless he is acting the fool by so blatantly using false assumptions to do a little overkill/satire that brings the idiocy of drug-warriors to the front where it can better be demonstrated the extent of the brainwashing that needs to be overcome.

I see Ron Paul has more to gain than lose - I see drug legalization as a real tipping point. If people just cannot see that people who smoke or eat it don't deserve jail or other punishment, if they are so stupid as to think that prohibition can ever work, if they can't understand that the (big) money is worse than wasted on a "war on drugs" - then there is no hope of them understanding a lot of other things that are right in front of their eyes that are equally obviously ludicrous.

I feel that it is all of our job to hammer away on this one and I'm glad that Ron feels that way too. When Joe Delegate figures out that the guy who works beside him every day and does a good job isn't a lowlife doper that deserves to be sent into the animal factory that is prison then suddenly there will be no problem convincing them of pretty much everything else because all the issues that Ron brings up are so blinding obvious.

However, I don't believe the reverse is true. Convince someone that the Fed should be audited or that the USA shouldn't be involved in Libya and it doesn't follow that NOW THEIR EYES ARE OPEN and that now they see the truth about prohibition and understand what liberty really means.

So I see it up to us to not only make the best of what Ron says and does but to take it a step further and use it as OUR weapon. Soften the blow by doing the "he wants it to be state's choice" but don't back off - this is serious business and it needs to be dealt with and not avoided.

 

[pcosmar]

The young people knew about Dr. Paul's stance on decriminalizing drugs at the federal level during the last election.

How many older, conservative, Pot smokers knew about him?

I am 54 and know several Professionals, Business owners and Christians that will share a bowl.
Where do you get the idea that it is "young people" ?

There are a bunch of folks that have been listening to lies and empty promises for 40 years.
There are a lot of parents and grandparents with family in prisons due to the "war on drugs".

Putting an end to that nonsense is a viable issue.

This is not even one of my main issues. But for ALL that think it is a bad idea,, It is Ron Paul's idea.
I do not believe anyone is forcing him to take this public and push this Bill.

So how about some support for the man and the Principles of Liberty.

 

[idirtify]

No kidding. At this point unless he is acting the fool by so blatantly using false assumptions to do a little overkill/satire that brings the idiocy of drug-warriors to the front where it can better be demonstrated the extent of the brainwashing that needs to be overcome.

I see Ron Paul has more to gain than lose - I see drug legalization as a real tipping point. If people just cannot see that people who smoke or eat it don't deserve jail or other punishment, if they are so stupid as to think that prohibition can ever work, if they can't understand that the (big) money is worse than wasted on a "war on drugs" - then there is no hope of them understanding a lot of other things that are right in front of their eyes that are equally obviously ludicrous.

I feel that it is all of our job to hammer away on this one and I'm glad that Ron feels that way too. When Joe Delegate figures out that the guy who works beside him every day and does a good job isn't a lowlife doper that deserves to be sent into the animal factory that is prison then suddenly there will be no problem convincing them of pretty much everything else because all the issues that Ron brings up are so blinding obvious.

However, I don't believe the reverse is true. Convince someone that the Fed should be audited or that the USA shouldn't be involved in Libya and it doesn't follow that NOW THEIR EYES ARE OPEN and that now they see the truth about prohibition and understand what liberty really means.

So I see it up to us to not only make the best of what Ron says and does but to take it a step further and use it as OUR weapon. Soften the blow by doing the "he wants it to be state's choice" but don't back off - this is serious business and it needs to be dealt with and not avoided.

some really good points

 

[idirtify]

How many older, conservative, Pot smokers knew about him?

I am 54 and know several Professionals, Business owners and Christians that will share a bowl.
Where do you get the idea that it is "young people" ?

There are a bunch of folks that have been listening to lies and empty promises for 40 years.
There are a lot of parents and grandparents with family in prisons due to the "war on drugs".

Putting an end to that nonsense is a viable issue.

This is not even one of my main issues. But for ALL that think it is a bad idea,, It is Ron Paul's idea.
I do not believe anyone is forcing him to take this public and push this Bill.

So how about some support for the man and the Principles of Liberty.

Great post, but I must add this:

“There are a lot of parents and grandparents with family in prisons due to the ‘war on drugs’”.

 

[affa]

And how many others? Show me a poll where it's in the top ten - hell the top TWENTY issues on voters' minds.

Will you please get over this? Decriminalization is a marginalized issue, rarely on polls and rarely in the news. This simply means the media doesn't care about it, not necessarily that people don't. I'm not saying it's top 5 or anything, but it's got more weight behind it than you seem to think it does.

 

[idirtify]

Will you please get over this? Decriminalization is a marginalized issue, rarely on polls and rarely in the news. This simply means the media doesn't care about it, not necessarily that people don't. I'm not saying it's top 5 or anything, but it's got more weight behind it than you seem to think it does.

I agree, but I think Musicmax is over it whether he wants to be or not. He destroyed his credibility way back when he tried to claim that a poll on a list of issues, of which pot was NOT one, proved that pot was not a top issue – LOL.

God, I love spotting and refuting prohibitionist arguments. It’s so easy!

 

[nbhadja]

The young people knew about Dr. Paul's stance on decriminalizing drugs at the federal level during the last election. However, that did not seem to cause them to register as Republicans and vote in the primary.

Maybe they were too stoned. I'm not really seeing how it will be any different this time around. Hopefully, I will be wrong.

Ron Paul was much less known last election, especially among non-republicans. I personally know quite a few college kids who now support Ron Paul because of his drug views and they had no clue about him back then.

Ron Paul's name recognition has grown by leaps and bounds, especially among non-republicans. Most college kids had no clue who he was back then.

 

[Mach]

http://copssaylegalize.blogspot.com

Wednesday, June 22, 2011
First-Ever Marijuana Legalization Bill Introduced in U.S. Congress
Posted by LEAP
Cops Say the War on Marijuana Has Failed, Let States End Prohibition

WASHINGTON, DC -- The first-ever Congressional bill to let states legalize marijuana will be introduced in the U.S. House by a bipartisan coalition of lawmakers on Thursday, and a group of police and judges who fought on the front lines of the failed "war on drugs" is announcing its support.

Neill Franklin, a former Baltimore narcotics cop and executive director of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, said, "Clearly the 'war on drugs' has failed, and nowhere is that more clear than with respect to marijuana. It baffles me that we arrest nearly 800,000 people on marijuana charges in this country each and every year at taxpayer expense when we could instead be taking in new tax revenue from legal and regulated marijuana sales. Making marijuana illegal hasn't prevented anyone from using it, but it has created a huge funding source that funnels billions of dollars in tax-free profits to violent drug cartels and gangs. More and more cops now agree: Legalizing marijuana will improve public safety."

The bill, sponsored by Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) and Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), would essentially end the federal government's bullying of states when it comes to marijuana policy reform. Initial co-sponsors include Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN), Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA) and Rep. Jared Polis (D-CO).

The bill's introduction comes in the wake of last week's 40th anniversary of President Richard Nixon declaring the "war on drugs," which the group of pro-legalization police officers commemorated by releasing a new report that they attempted to hand-deliver to Obama administration drug czar Gil Kerlikowske: http://www.CopsSayLegalizeDrugs.com/40years.

There are expected to be marijuana legalization initiatives on next year's ballots in at least three states: California, Colorado and Washington.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP) represents police, prosecutors, judges, federal agents and others who want to legalize and regulate drugs after fighting on the front lines of the "war on drugs" and learning firsthand that prohibition only serves to worsen addiction and violence. More info at http://www.CopsSayLegalizeDrugs.com.

http://www.leap.cc/

 

[Mach]

Show your "Grandma's and Grandpa's."



The way things are clearly going it won't be long until the whole Legalize Marijuana thing will be in the majority.... if it's not already... oh yeah, and actually be legalized in some way shape and/or form.

Guaranteed!

Once again, Ron Paul is LEADING the way.