ron paul attack

[JosephTheLibertarian]

http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/08/09/ron-paul-still-sucks/

 

[Mesogen]

Hmm, actually, I think that article by Paul DOES suck.

Sorry, I can't support everything the man says.

The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity.

Where is his evidence for this? Does it come from lawsuits where people don't want religion shoved down their throats or that don't want religious symbols plastered all over government buildings? Those people aren't "elites." They are everyday people who feel like someone else's religion is being forced upon them.

And the term "secular" does not mean anti-religion. It simply means that religion is not the driving force behind whatever you are describing. A secular society is simply not driven by religious dogma. Secular laws would not be based on religion. It would also not be anti-religion. Secular is just another word for non-religious.

So as far as the law is concerned (or at least should be in principle) America IS and was intended to be SECULAR.

Also, when he complains about speech codes and hate crimes (which are totally lame and not liberal, IMO), he lumps everyone on "the left" (whatever the hell that is) together into one collective. I guess he would consider himself part of the collective on "the right."

It's a damned shame that he ever used that left vs. right talk in any of his writings.

 

[Tina]

Hmm, actually, I think that article by Paul DOES suck.


It's a damned shame that he ever used that left vs. right talk in any of his writings.

Umm... not for me. That's one reason I like him so much.

 

[0zzy]

As far as I'm concerned, I could care less about this type of stuff. He doesn't want to shove religion down my throat and supports much more freedom than any other candidate. Anyone who doesn't vote for him because of this stuff shouldn't be voting at all. Look at the important issues at hand.

 

[Kuldebar]

There's extremists on both sides of the issue. For every rabid religious right freak that wants a theocracy there's an equally rabid atheist that wants to wipe every trace of religious expression from society.

 

[blazin_it_alwyz]

people, PEOPLE, you are supposed to be IN SUPPORT of Ron Paul. Regardless of how it looks, when someone poses serious stuff like this, especially with all these Anti-Paulites out here, you can't just automatically assume it true. Do a little research! Does this really sound like Ron Paul to you guys?

Those articles have been discredited, just like the articles that an aid wrote on the behalf on Ron Paul which was a semi-racist article. These are not things Ron Paul writes, but yet, things which people write on the behalf on Ron Paul. They have all been debunked and discredited by Ron Paul in media, else you would see some big names like O'Reiley or Hannity and that other loser present it as true.

If this is the attitude of people now, I'm worried about when Ron Paul will get elected as Republican Nominee (which he will). There are probably going to be mudslinging submitting false information as true once again. Are all of you just going to stop supporting him?

If anyone believes this as true, I would suggest that you meet him and ask him face to face. I haven't ever seen Ron Paul try to dodge 1 question yet. I doubt he would brush you off like any of these other corrupt politicians. But then again that IS why we love him right?

EDIT

Also, read the very last piece of the blog

This is Ron Paul in his own words (or at least, those of his “ghost writers”)

 

[jmarinara]

Uhhh, I never thought I'd actually have to point this out, but Ron Paul isn't a liberal.

I thought that was obvious, but I guess the neo-cons have co-opted the whole "conservative" label to mean something it NEVER meant in the past. Ron Paul is, in my opinion, exactly what a Christian statesman ought to be.

My liberal Ron Paul supporters, there are just some things you're going to have to get used to. Ron Paul is pro-life, and thinks life begins at conception and is worthy of protection. Ron Paul is not pro-homosexual. Ron Paul is not a seperation of church and state advocate. Look at his record, and he'll tell you that himself.

But, there are some things that my conservative friends are going to have to get used to. Ron Paul is not a tyrant and refuses to use tyranny to advance his personal beliefs. So stop expecting him to pander like Romeny or Brownback. Which brings me to my final point. . .

Both sides in this issue are going to get what they want. An extremely limited, yet strong, central government that exists solely to protect the country, institute justice, and protect rights. Period. Which means that both sides will get the freedom they want to do as they please within the dictates of their own consciences. We can fight about abortion, or prayer in schools, or the ten commandments (something I completely support BTW) at the state level . . . where those debates belong.

Can we get back to making Dr. Paul the next president now????

 

[Mesogen]

You support forced prayer in schools and basing laws on the bible?

 

[0zzy]

You support forced prayer in schools and basing laws on the bible?

No, and if Ron Paul does so be it. That's why we have a congress. And Ron Paul doesn't have any executive powers (if he were to become president) to enforce prayer in schools and basing laws on the bible.

 

[blazin_it_alwyz]

You support forced prayer in schools and basing laws on the bible?

I really don't understand. Since what interview, did Ron Paul come off to be like this?

I mean me personally... I'm a heterosexual male, and I believe in god, but not the religion that surrounds it. I believe most religions only exist to breed hatred amongst themselves, which is not if God existed, would want. But I digress.

I don't care what you believe in, and I don't care about your sexual orientations! Life, Liberty, and Happiness, that is the words of the Constitution, which Ron Paul swears by. Even if he believes that school should be intertwined with religion, that is just his own belief, that he is not looking to super impose on anyone! I mean what about his campaign did people suddenly forget?

Isn't it his Constitutional right to have freedom of speech, and do what makes him happy? I don't necessarily agree with the whole prayer in school thing, but respect his decision, and respect the fact that he doesn't want to super impose that on anyone. I thought he wanted to limit government last time I checked.

Also, you guys have to remember that Paul is against Democracy. I think he might try to change it when he gets into office. He doesn't believe in it for the same reasons I don't believe in it, because it is 51% tyranny over the other 49%. In a republic you have unalienable rights that no one can take away from you. I don't think under paul we would ever be forced to "Pray".

I mean if I am wrong please explain to me why, but I think all of this criticism of Paul is baseless and unfounded like 3 times over.

 

[USPatriot36]

Father of American Educational System

First of all, as alluded to in the blog, the texas straight talk article was likely written by a ghost writer and doesn't exactly depict Ron Paul's views (ie. the left vs right). Any ghost writer will invariably miss the exact nature of someone elses views. Could somone who knows you intimately such as your father or mother precisely express your political views precisely on every subject without the slightest error?

Secondly, the section you quoted is not talking about the average joe who wants to not be bothered by other peoples religion nor have it forced down his throat. It is talking about certain 'elites' who have worked to replace Christianity in America with there own religion - Secular Humanism. One of the 'elites' is John Dewey who is often cited as the founder of America modern educational system, who was one of the original signers of the Humanist Manifesto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dewey#Dewey_and_historical_progressive_education
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanist_Manifesto_I
http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/secular-humanism.htm

More enlightening than those two links is to read about how highly he thought of the educational system in Soviet Russia
http://deweytextsonline.area501.net/ImpressionsOfSovietRussia.htm

 

[Darren McFillintheBlank]

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[beermotor]

There's extremists on both sides of the issue. For every rabid religious right freak that wants a theocracy there's an equally rabid atheist that wants to wipe every trace of religious expression from society.

HEAR HEAR.

Or is it here here?

Anyway, I agree. The proper ground is in the middle. I don't agree with the zeitgeist movie that religion is a big scam, like the Fed is. I think it serves a useful purpose. The Fed has no legitimate purpose whatsoever. Religion can, however, bring people together in community, and for the most part, they all say the same thing: love thy neighbor. WTF is so bad about what?

I'm not religious at all, but I feel like I am turning into more of a christian by the day. It's our cultural heritage, like it or not, but beyond that, it isn't abjectly horrible. Most of the bad crap in the bible is ... Old Testament style ... heh. HRMMMM... oh no, now I've done it!

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

You support forced prayer in schools and basing laws on the bible?

I'm Agnostic. He doesn't support forced bible study, he doesn't even really support public education, so how could he support forced prayer? lol

I think we should completely privatize education and leave schools to run the way they want to. I believe people are better off in this system, care to prove me wrong? I'm not rich.. yet I fully acknowledge the shortcomings of public education, it has done me a great dis-service, other then teaching me the very basics of everything. I think I've taught myself more than public education has.

 

[Horatio_Bunce]

These issues are divisive.

It's up to RP supporters to rally behind the messages that we agree on and not allow our differences to distract us from support of Dr. Paul.

 

[Billy Budd]

In an interview on Jim Lehrer, Ron Paul said he is not for reinstating prayer in school, only to stop the Fed's from being able to prohibit it.

I thought it was a good article but some of it's touchy subject matter and there's certainly enough material there to start a heated debate. Go to the article and cast your views there.

IMO, per the support forums mean "SUPPORT forums". People here are happy to answer questions on Paul's views for the curious and uninformed. In other words, in my view were here to support RP and provide information. The idealogical wars should be held elsewhere.

Per the campaign, United we stand, divided we fall (we fall we fall we fall)...

 

[DRV45N05]

You support forced prayer in schools and basing laws on the bible?

Actually, the School Prayer Amendment that he has supported basically protects the RIGHT of students to pray VOLUNTARILY in schools.

He would obviously oppose mandatory school prayer.

 

[DRV45N05]

Ron Paul is not pro-homosexual. QUOTE]

Wrong. Ron Paul does support equal rights for gays to those of straight people.