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If the people you run into are against drugs then their is no reason to bring it up. Stick to areas where people agree with Ron Paul.
Ron Paul and Marijuana
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Haha, yeah.. basically. A group of us (7) had backstage passes as well as passes to a meet and greet with all the bands on the tour. We started handing out flyers to people at the M&G, and on of my buddies asked all the guys to sign one. He got 4 KMK members to sign, tech n9ne, and the dirtball. The tech n9ne dude was like "can i get one of those?" so we gave him a few, and a couple of the guys from kmk were standing with him, so we gave each of them a stack too. Brad (Daddy X of KMK) read both sides, and said he was gonna have to check him out. That was pretty much it for the M&G.
When tech n9ne came off the stage, he disappeared for a few, then came back to the side of the stage where we were and had us follow them backstage again. He asked how much we were getting paid to rep Ron Paul. lol. He was suprised to find out that we were doing it all on our own. Had a couple questions about RP's stance on medical marijuana specifically, and said he'd been to a couple protests in Cali with KMK. He seemed impressed, and asked for some flyers. So we gave him probably 100 of the Ozzfest flyers, and I had about 20 trifolds that I gave him. The rest of the show, we just chilled and didn't really talk about RP.
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To the original poster: I strongly recommend that you don't bring up RP's stance on drugs unless asked. You're sabotaging your efforts.
You never want to bring up controversial issues when introducing newcomers to Ron Paul. NEVER. Unless you are 99% certain that they will agree with him. It doesn't matter what secondary issues you are passionate about when campaigning for Ron Paul. Getting Ron Paul elected is your primary concern. Your purpose is to convert voters and get RP elected. That's it. Your goal isn't to convince others to subscribe to your beliefs about drugs. If you want to do that, turn it into a seperate activity. Mentioning Ron Paul's stance on every issue is unnecessary and often detrimental to your efforts. Counterproductive. Not good.
You don't see Fred Heads yelling from the top of mountains that Freddy boy voted against importing prescription meds from Canada and including prescription meds under Medicare.. and against medical savings accounts. You won't hear a Mitt Witt yammering on about how great it is that Mitt flip flopped on gun control or abortion. Similarly, we shouldn't be highlighting the potentially negative aspects of RP's campaign. You leave it out. If someone asks, fine. But we don't want to go scaring off potential supporters.
You want to give them enough to get them interested, but unless they ask, you don't want to give them a feature length biography. Talk up a point or two, give them some literature, and then walk away. Let them find the details on their own.
To the original poster: I strongly recommend that you don't bring up RP's stance on drugs unless asked. You're sabotaging your efforts.
You never want to bring up controversial issues when introducing newcomers to Ron Paul. NEVER. Unless you are 99% certain that they will agree with him. It doesn't matter what secondary issues you are passionate about when campaigning for Ron Paul. Getting Ron Paul elected is your primary concern. Your purpose is to convert voters and get RP elected. That's it. Your goal isn't to convince others to subscribe to your beliefs about drugs. If you want to do that, turn it into a seperate activity. Mentioning Ron Paul's stance on every issue is unnecessary and often detrimental to your efforts. Counterproductive. Not good.
You don't see Fred Heads yelling from the top of mountains that Freddy boy voted against importing prescription meds from Canada and including prescription meds under Medicare.. and against medical savings accounts. You won't hear a Mitt Witt yammering on about how great it is that Mitt flip flopped on gun control or abortion. Similarly, we shouldn't be highlighting the potentially negative aspects of RP's campaign. You leave it out. If someone asks, fine. But we don't want to go scaring off potential supporters.
You want to give them enough to get them interested, but unless they ask, you don't want to give them a feature length biography. Talk up a point or two, give them some literature, and then walk away. Let them find the details on their own.
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The Marijuana Conspiracy, on Google video, might bring some enlightenment.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7215884908568593154
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7215884908568593154
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Technically, Dr. Paul's position on drugs is the same as many other issues -- let states decide. Legalization implies to many people the federal government making all drugs legal under all circumstances (e.g. kids buying crack).
Focus on letting states decide and use the Feds arresting medical pot users in states where the people voted to make it legal as an example of why federal drug laws need to be repealed.
Focus on letting states decide and use the Feds arresting medical pot users in states where the people voted to make it legal as an example of why federal drug laws need to be repealed.
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psylocibin or whatever you spell it is toxic at a 3.5 grams i believe, a quarter ounce of it in a sitting will put you at serious health risk. LSD and cocaine individually are not specifically lethal however, and the toxicity level of a single dose of THC is probably unachievable by mistake.
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This is My Area of Expertise
George Washington was the largest landowner in the 13 colonies from 1765 to 1787, holding the largest estate in all of America. One of his principal cash crops were thousands of acres of cannabis sativa. Yes, you heard me right, the Founding Father was America's original 'drug' lord of incredible-never-since-then quanties of the very same plant that was unconstitutionally banned in 1937 through illegal federal taxation (Harrison Act, Marijuana Stamp Tax). Washington was a pipe smoker and wrote extensively in his diaries about his many varieties of hemp, cannabis, and his diaries show incredible detail and observations about the nature and utility of the cannabis plant.
Thomas Jefferson also was an advocate and this can be found in his own writings.
When speaking about drugs, do not use the term 'legalizing drugs', instead try 'Repeal Prohibition'. Older people understand the alcohol prohibition period and the machine-gun toting gangs, corrupt paid-off cops, the violence on the streets. As soon as alcohol prohibition was ended in 1933 (with the only repeal of a constitutional amendment ever! - the 21st Amendment in 1933 repealed the 18th Amendment of 1919- The Volstead Act), the last gangster of the Prohibition era was captured or killed by 1936. Gang violence was dramatically reduced and every person from that era knew it was because alcohol prohibition was reversed.
However, Drug Prohibition was enacted (inexplicably without any constitutional amendments as was required for alcohol prohibition) in 1937 and all the ex-G men in the ATF of its day were hired on by the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, and thus began marijuana prohibition.
The difference between alcohol and marijuana, is that in the 1930's tens of millions of Americans drank alcohol but less than 150,000 people in America (almost all blacks, hispanics and jazz lovers actually) consumed marijuana. The first person convicted of marijuana possession received a 4 year sentence in 1938 and was sentenced to four years in Leavenworth Pen in Kansas.
However, in the 1960's, hundreds of thousands of US soldiers in Vietnam and elsewhere, along with tens of millions of university and college students turned on to pot, and this was Richard Nixon's wet dream, round up the jews, the communists, the anti-war types, anyone and everyone who smoked pot was considered Unamerican by the paranoid Nixon.
Since 1956, 27 million people worldwide have been arrested for pot, 6 million have spent more than one year in jail for pot and 16 million Americans have been arrested for marijuana since 1966. Over 2 million Americans (out of that 6 million total) have spent at least one year in jail for exclusively cannabis related 'crimes'. Its a shocking abuse that has spanned 3 generations of Americans.
The War on Drugs or Prohibition has been the principle cause for the overall erosion of our Constitutional freedoms and rights. The US Supreme Court has validated wire-tapping, entrapment, no-knock warrants, paramilitary action in the US, deprived the sick & dying of cannabis, endorsed espionage on US citizens, condoned deportation of immigrants found with cannabis, infiltration of ordinary groups of Americans, suspended the second Amendment, endorsed warrantless searches, condoned forfeiture of propery, and dozens of unconstitutional invasions of our human decency, our human rights, our property rights.
Prohibition serves no good other than the concentration of violent federal power. Prohibition does not EVER accomplish any of its stated aims, it in fact, creates gangs, murder, police corruption, massive jail populations (55,000 are in state & federal prisons at any given time for ONLY marijuana related offenses!), exploding federal expenditures (its too shockingly high a cost to be unbelieveable, estimated to be $180 billion since 1965), disdain for the sick & dying who need medical cannabis. It has torn millions of children from their parents for various periods of time which science has found is the greatest contributor to the cause of substance abuse --- that is, missing fathers!
Ron Paul's solution is to Repeal Prohibition , end the Income Tax which allows government to spend vast sums on empires, wars, and Prohibition, return control to the States and state referendums, where drugs would be taxed at the state or local level. Ron Paul has in the last 12 months voted to cancel the appropriations budget of the Drug Czar (lost 399 to 5), co-sponsored The States Rights To Medical Marijuana Act (Hinchey-Rohrabacher amendment, lost 259 - 164) and The Steve Williams Truth in Trials Act. Ron Paul is the chief sponsor and only Republican to put forward the 2007 Industrial Hemp Act.
George Washington was the largest landowner in the 13 colonies from 1765 to 1787, holding the largest estate in all of America. One of his principal cash crops were thousands of acres of cannabis sativa. Yes, you heard me right, the Founding Father was America's original 'drug' lord of incredible-never-since-then quanties of the very same plant that was unconstitutionally banned in 1937 through illegal federal taxation (Harrison Act, Marijuana Stamp Tax). Washington was a pipe smoker and wrote extensively in his diaries about his many varieties of hemp, cannabis, and his diaries show incredible detail and observations about the nature and utility of the cannabis plant.
Thomas Jefferson also was an advocate and this can be found in his own writings.
When speaking about drugs, do not use the term 'legalizing drugs', instead try 'Repeal Prohibition'. Older people understand the alcohol prohibition period and the machine-gun toting gangs, corrupt paid-off cops, the violence on the streets. As soon as alcohol prohibition was ended in 1933 (with the only repeal of a constitutional amendment ever! - the 21st Amendment in 1933 repealed the 18th Amendment of 1919- The Volstead Act), the last gangster of the Prohibition era was captured or killed by 1936. Gang violence was dramatically reduced and every person from that era knew it was because alcohol prohibition was reversed.
However, Drug Prohibition was enacted (inexplicably without any constitutional amendments as was required for alcohol prohibition) in 1937 and all the ex-G men in the ATF of its day were hired on by the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, and thus began marijuana prohibition.
The difference between alcohol and marijuana, is that in the 1930's tens of millions of Americans drank alcohol but less than 150,000 people in America (almost all blacks, hispanics and jazz lovers actually) consumed marijuana. The first person convicted of marijuana possession received a 4 year sentence in 1938 and was sentenced to four years in Leavenworth Pen in Kansas.
However, in the 1960's, hundreds of thousands of US soldiers in Vietnam and elsewhere, along with tens of millions of university and college students turned on to pot, and this was Richard Nixon's wet dream, round up the jews, the communists, the anti-war types, anyone and everyone who smoked pot was considered Unamerican by the paranoid Nixon.
Since 1956, 27 million people worldwide have been arrested for pot, 6 million have spent more than one year in jail for pot and 16 million Americans have been arrested for marijuana since 1966. Over 2 million Americans (out of that 6 million total) have spent at least one year in jail for exclusively cannabis related 'crimes'. Its a shocking abuse that has spanned 3 generations of Americans.
The War on Drugs or Prohibition has been the principle cause for the overall erosion of our Constitutional freedoms and rights. The US Supreme Court has validated wire-tapping, entrapment, no-knock warrants, paramilitary action in the US, deprived the sick & dying of cannabis, endorsed espionage on US citizens, condoned deportation of immigrants found with cannabis, infiltration of ordinary groups of Americans, suspended the second Amendment, endorsed warrantless searches, condoned forfeiture of propery, and dozens of unconstitutional invasions of our human decency, our human rights, our property rights.
Prohibition serves no good other than the concentration of violent federal power. Prohibition does not EVER accomplish any of its stated aims, it in fact, creates gangs, murder, police corruption, massive jail populations (55,000 are in state & federal prisons at any given time for ONLY marijuana related offenses!), exploding federal expenditures (its too shockingly high a cost to be unbelieveable, estimated to be $180 billion since 1965), disdain for the sick & dying who need medical cannabis. It has torn millions of children from their parents for various periods of time which science has found is the greatest contributor to the cause of substance abuse --- that is, missing fathers!
Ron Paul's solution is to Repeal Prohibition , end the Income Tax which allows government to spend vast sums on empires, wars, and Prohibition, return control to the States and state referendums, where drugs would be taxed at the state or local level. Ron Paul has in the last 12 months voted to cancel the appropriations budget of the Drug Czar (lost 399 to 5), co-sponsored The States Rights To Medical Marijuana Act (Hinchey-Rohrabacher amendment, lost 259 - 164) and The Steve Williams Truth in Trials Act. Ron Paul is the chief sponsor and only Republican to put forward the 2007 Industrial Hemp Act.
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This is completely incorrect. I have consumed up to 20 grams of psylocin mushrooms, numerous times more than 5 grams. There are no serious health risks whatsoever and there are extremely few cases of death recorded, possibly no more than 20 cases in 30+ years, and that is likely to be in combination with other drugs or pre-existing health conditions.
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Prohibition came in within 6 months of women getting the right to vote
Alcohol prohibition was effected only when women received the right to vote. Once tens of millions of women got a political voice, prohibition was passed within 6 months. Prohibitions were tried at local levels, county levels and state levels but were always unsuccessful and thwarted. Typically, men do not favor prohibitions of drugs, booze and sex (brothels) except if they are of a puritanical religious bent, but women perceived their gender as being abused by millions of men who became violent or abusive to their spouses and children under the influence of alcohol.
In 1900 though, most over the counter heroin and morphne was consumed by about 1 million to 1.5 million US women, who enjoyed the heavy narcotics because it numbed the pain of spousal abuse (re: alcohol & the chauvinism of the day), childrearing, tooth aches (so common 100 years ago), arthritis, coughs, and the daily rigors of being a mother of large families in some degree of poverty. A bottle of heroin tablets by Bayer was 25 tablets for 50 cents to $1. There were no social problems associated with this mass habituation of opiates because they were cheap, legal, and largely consumed addictively by women. Women under opiates were quiet, hard working and uncomplaining, and in 1900, thats how America like its women.
Alcohol prohibition was effected only when women received the right to vote. Once tens of millions of women got a political voice, prohibition was passed within 6 months. Prohibitions were tried at local levels, county levels and state levels but were always unsuccessful and thwarted. Typically, men do not favor prohibitions of drugs, booze and sex (brothels) except if they are of a puritanical religious bent, but women perceived their gender as being abused by millions of men who became violent or abusive to their spouses and children under the influence of alcohol.
In 1900 though, most over the counter heroin and morphne was consumed by about 1 million to 1.5 million US women, who enjoyed the heavy narcotics because it numbed the pain of spousal abuse (re: alcohol & the chauvinism of the day), childrearing, tooth aches (so common 100 years ago), arthritis, coughs, and the daily rigors of being a mother of large families in some degree of poverty. A bottle of heroin tablets by Bayer was 25 tablets for 50 cents to $1. There were no social problems associated with this mass habituation of opiates because they were cheap, legal, and largely consumed addictively by women. Women under opiates were quiet, hard working and uncomplaining, and in 1900, thats how America like its women.
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Wow. Crazy but true. When you learn the truth, the future seems so much brighter. When you're not lied to by the government, and you just know the facts, things become so much easier.
Ron Paul is really going to create sensibility in so many areas that have been dying for it for so long.
Ron Paul is really going to create sensibility in so many areas that have been dying for it for so long.
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Pleased to have just finished our first radio show for RonPaulRadio.com
Its 45 minutes with Jodie & Marc Emery about our Ron Paul activism, and touches a little on the issues of Prohibition. Hopefully you can hear it on Ron Paul Radio beginning Sunday or Monday!
Its 45 minutes with Jodie & Marc Emery about our Ron Paul activism, and touches a little on the issues of Prohibition. Hopefully you can hear it on Ron Paul Radio beginning Sunday or Monday!
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Hey I wrote you back, you can upload it to www.Mediafire.com and send me the link. 
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I had my banner over the free way above the traffic below and it was slow some tanagers gave me the finger and I shouted down Ron wants legalize pot, then they were all smiles.
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I think we need a government program to manufacture LSD and make it freely available to the populous to facilitate the evolution of human consciousness...
just joking... kinda
just joking... kinda
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Interesting conversation.
I'll admit that my own personal marijuana use helped get me interested in libertarian ideas. I grew up in the "D.A.R.E. generation," and I had very conservative parents, and I spent most of my life thinking that street drugs were something people did only if they wanted to harm themselves or commit suicide, which I think might be similar to the line of thinking that Hamadeh had when he wrote his comments.
But I met someone in college who was very smart, made good grades in a hard technical major, but smoked pot privately at his apartment. He didn't get me to try it, but he did open my mind to the concept that drugs were a recreational activity and not an act of desperation, could be done responsibly, were not necessarily incompatible with being an "achiever," and perhaps should not be illegal.
After college, I moved to Seattle for a job (I had lived in Florida prior to that) and when I got out there I saw a radically different attitude towards pot from the general public out there. Most people my age (20-ish) feel that marijuana is a safer recreational drug than alcohol, and that it is twisted and backwards that marijuana should be illegal while alcohol remains legal. (Personally I feel they should both be legal, but some out there would like to see the situation reversed).
I met many people who smoked and they convinced me to try it by swearing it was better and less harmful than alcohol, and you know what, in retrospect I would agree. I have been an occasional/moderate user since then, even though I have since returned to Florida. I enjoy MJ and it has never caused me to do anything that I would feel has jeapordized my career, health, financial well being, friendships, relationships, or anything else.
The ONLY negative I can ascribe to my personal marijuana use has been the fact that it has opened me up to potential criminal penalties if the state should find out. Luckily, I am discreet and this has yet to happen. But I found this to be such a gross injustice that it got me interested in libertarian philosophy.
The more I read about libertarian philosophy, the more convinced I became of its merits, across the board. Liberty is invaluable, and personal freedom is key.
The drug war continues unhindered because the state has brainwashed people into believing drugs are much worse than they actually are, and that there is no recourse for society except for armed SWAT teams engaged in "war" against users and suppliers. In light of this situation, progress in changing attitudes and laws will be slow. But change is possible, I am living proof.
Also, I think it's awesome that Marc Scott Emery posts on this forum. Thanks Marc!
I'll admit that my own personal marijuana use helped get me interested in libertarian ideas. I grew up in the "D.A.R.E. generation," and I had very conservative parents, and I spent most of my life thinking that street drugs were something people did only if they wanted to harm themselves or commit suicide, which I think might be similar to the line of thinking that Hamadeh had when he wrote his comments.
But I met someone in college who was very smart, made good grades in a hard technical major, but smoked pot privately at his apartment. He didn't get me to try it, but he did open my mind to the concept that drugs were a recreational activity and not an act of desperation, could be done responsibly, were not necessarily incompatible with being an "achiever," and perhaps should not be illegal.
After college, I moved to Seattle for a job (I had lived in Florida prior to that) and when I got out there I saw a radically different attitude towards pot from the general public out there. Most people my age (20-ish) feel that marijuana is a safer recreational drug than alcohol, and that it is twisted and backwards that marijuana should be illegal while alcohol remains legal. (Personally I feel they should both be legal, but some out there would like to see the situation reversed).
I met many people who smoked and they convinced me to try it by swearing it was better and less harmful than alcohol, and you know what, in retrospect I would agree. I have been an occasional/moderate user since then, even though I have since returned to Florida. I enjoy MJ and it has never caused me to do anything that I would feel has jeapordized my career, health, financial well being, friendships, relationships, or anything else.
The ONLY negative I can ascribe to my personal marijuana use has been the fact that it has opened me up to potential criminal penalties if the state should find out. Luckily, I am discreet and this has yet to happen. But I found this to be such a gross injustice that it got me interested in libertarian philosophy.
The more I read about libertarian philosophy, the more convinced I became of its merits, across the board. Liberty is invaluable, and personal freedom is key.
The drug war continues unhindered because the state has brainwashed people into believing drugs are much worse than they actually are, and that there is no recourse for society except for armed SWAT teams engaged in "war" against users and suppliers. In light of this situation, progress in changing attitudes and laws will be slow. But change is possible, I am living proof.
Also, I think it's awesome that Marc Scott Emery posts on this forum. Thanks Marc!
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Haha I'm sure I could kill myself with a Q-tip too if I tried hard enough... what's your point?
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