Ron Paul and Marijuana

[KMA-NWO]

It's still converted into sugars by your body.

just not in the intense quantities you find in sodas and crap food.

yes, you can have a little cocaine, or you can snort a foot long inch wide line.

 

[Greenskin]

On your first point, we don't agree on the mutual exclusivity. No amount of argument will change that.

I agree with you on the second point, but I think you are creating an ideal situation that the vast majority of people will not abide to. I believe that people will not choose to exercise that liberty. They will either contribute to society of leach off of it.

For being a Ron Paul supporter you really buy the MSM's portrayal of drug users.

IF U DO COCAIEN ONCE ULL BE ADIKCTED FOREVERRR LOLLLL

 

[Soccrmastr]

Many people I talk to about Ron are very receptive, until I get to his stance on the "War on Drugs". Several people have accused me of being a pot smoker myself (I'm not), and others are repulsed at the idea of drugs being legal. I find myself unable to omit this part since it's an important issue that I'm passionate about. How should I effectively sell this delicate subject?

most conservatives are against the drug war anyway. well, real conservatives. Except for a different reason than libertarians, but still some common ground.

 

[phree]

For being a Ron Paul supporter you really buy the MSM's portrayal of drug users.

IF U DO COCAIEN ONCE ULL BE ADIKCTED FOREVERRR LOLLLL

Most likely Nikolai has little or no experience with recreational drugs. The vast majority of people on this planet have experimented with some type of recreational substance and managed to maintain a reasonable level of social behavior.

 

[KMA-NWO]

On your first point, we don't agree on the mutual exclusivity. No amount of argument will change that.

I agree with you on the second point, but I think you are creating an ideal situation that the vast majority of people will not abide to. I believe that people will not choose to exercise that liberty. They will either contribute to society of leach off of it.

If society gets too many leechers, eventually it will either change or collapse, as it aught to. If the people of a society are too child-minded (what else could you call it? mental illness?) to take responsible action, and instead acts in a destructive manner (simply 'using' drugs isn't destructive, it's how), this will eventually become reality.

I also believe the majority of people would take nanny-state over liberty, that's why our country is in the toilet.

If the American people remain stead-fast in their current beliefs, prejudices, and direction, this once great and libertarian union is toast, as it rightly aught to be because we (Americans) as a people no longer deserve our liberty. If it gets that bad, we deserve every punishment levied against us by the NWO for being so stupid and apathetic.*

*paragraph doesn't refer to readers here as they obviously don't fall into this category, but sadly it's only a small percentage of Americans that don't fit it and will be caught up in it.

 

[nikolai]

For being a Ron Paul supporter you really buy the MSM's portrayal of drug users.

IF U DO COCAIEN ONCE ULL BE ADIKCTED FOREVERRR LOLLLL

I do not think that every word that comes from the mouth of the MSM is false. Granted I do believe that there is a lot of fabrication that does take place. To insinuate that because I don't believe that the MSM is completely falsified makes me incapable of supporting Ron Paul is a stretch to say the least. We should all be so lucky that we can find a presidential candidate whose campaign fits out own believes in all areas but one (that being the complete legalization of narcotics).

 

[phree]

I do not think that every word that comes from the mouth of the MSM is false. Granted I do believe that there is a lot of fabrication that does take place. To insinuate that because I don't believe that the MSM is completely falsified makes me incapable of supporting Ron Paul is a stretch to say the least. We should all be so lucky that we can find a presidential candidate whose campaign fits out own believes in all areas but one (that being the complete legalization of narcotics).

The acid test* is whether or not you have experience with recreational drug use. If you do not then you are at a disadvantage in this debate.




*pun intended

 

[nikolai]

I'm just going to say one more thing before I leave this thread, because if we are all being realistic, no one is going to change anyone's mind here. It's not that I am against the legalization of drugs, it's that there are degrees of control that are exhibited by different drugs. I don't think anyone here is going to argue that ibuprofren and heroine are both drugs. It's the ability of the average human being to use them appropriately, that concerns me. Even if the fed were to legalize drugs completely, the states would act as a safety net and regulate each substance differently between themselves. Even if some states did choose to completely legalize all substances, Americans would still be able to exercise their liberty and choose which states to live in or not.

 

[nikolai]

The acid test* is whether or not you have experience with recreational drug use. If you do not then you are at a disadvantage in this debate.




*pun intended

I'll give. I have not. Have you ever used heroine?

 

[phree]

I'll give. I have not. Have you ever used heroine?

Yes.

 

[phree]

Well that killed the thread pretty quickly.

I've used several different recreational drugs in my lifetime (49 years), but I don't use them now. I wouldn't change my past, but I've outgrown drugs. The vast majority of people who experiment with drugs will work through it as I did, and not end up wandering the streets and stealing TVs.

After a certain point "straight" became another "high" for me, and I don't use drugs anymore because I prefer to stay clear-headed.

 

[JenaS62]

My friends all love this message. Do I hang with the wrong crowd?

Yep mine too. In fact, maybe I AM the wrong crowd.

 

[phree]

Yep mine too. In fact, maybe I AM the wrong crowd.

Well, judging by your avatar you probably are.

 

[killatop]

It won't be LEGAL!!!! It's a state's right issue, just like abortion. Just tell them he doesn't like the federal government dealing with this. It is best handled by state and local government. Here in Georgia, Pot would still be illegal under the current state law. Nothing would change other than the federal government would no longer be in charge of throwing people in jail. I also throw in at the end....so in California where Medical Marijuana is legal, an 85 yr old grandmother suffering from cancer can't be thrown in jail by the Federal government.

 

[Seanmc30]

Many people I talk to about Ron are very receptive, until I get to his stance on the "War on Drugs". Several people have accused me of being a pot smoker myself (I'm not), and others are repulsed at the idea of drugs being legal. I find myself unable to omit this part since it's an important issue that I'm passionate about. How should I effectively sell this delicate subject?

Heres a good way.

Ask them about it from the other end....if it were legal then all you have is a few more pot smokers:


-But you would also be eliminating drug dealers
-Lowering the cost of the drug (therefore reducing theft and robbery to pay for drug habits).
-No more drug dealers means less gang crime because there is no longer a market.
-Less gang crime, less murder, more people getting jobs in real places instead of breaking the law.
-Less people in prison for long sentences for comiting nonviolent "drug" crimes.
-NO MORE DRUG WAR!! No wasting billions and billions controlling something there will ALWAYS be a market for!

When you put it like that they might listen. Also mention that the alcoholic rate before prohibition was the same as it was during prohibition.... and it was the same when prohibition was abolished.....THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A MARKET.... why not make it a free market?

 

[killatop]

Heres a good way.

Ask them about it from the other end....if it were legal then all you have is a few more pot smokers:


-But you would also be eliminating drug dealers
-Lowering the cost of the drug (therefore reducing theft and robbery to pay for drug habits).
-No more drug dealers means less gang crime because there is no longer a market.
-Less gang crime, less murder, more people getting jobs in real places instead of breaking the law.
-Less people in prison for long sentences for comiting nonviolent "drug" crimes.
-NO MORE DRUG WAR!! No wasting billions and billions controlling something there will ALWAYS be a market for!

When you put it like that they might listen. Also mention that the alcoholic rate before prohibition was the same as it was during prohibition.... and it was the same when prohibition was abolished.....THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A MARKET.... why not make it a free market?

Could also throw in - The drug will now be taxed like alchohol and cigarettes and the government could make that money not non-tax paying drug dealers.

 

[jgmaynard]

Just like people grow their own tobacco? Heck I dont know anyone that rolls their own. People only grow their own marijuana cause they can't buy it prepackaged in a store.

When I smoked cigs, I rolled my own - came out to about $1.25 a pack, and it was better tobacco, and the government doesn't get nearly as much tax revenue from it - a triple win!

nikolai,

I know in my high school it was easier to get weed then alcohol. If you make any of those hard drugs legal most likely they would be sold similar to alcohol at a special store where you need to show ID. You can have strong laws against selling to minors. Since they will be real buisnesses they would have a lot to lose by violating those laws.

QFT

Yep mine too. In fact, maybe I AM the wrong crowd.

Well, judging by the Janis icon, I'd say you are in the right crowd!

JM

 

[Arklatex]

I've avoided this topic like the plague, because no matter how much info you provide some people with to form their own unbiased opinion you'll always be met with ridicule. We are fighting our whole system of thought from an early age, some people can just not accept it. It takes a truely intelligent individual to understand this issue.

I'll say one more thing: Big Pharma. They would hate you being able to grow your own medicine, for next too nothing from mother nature. They'd much rather have you hooked on their $200 a bottle prescriptions, which just lead to more problems and pills. Insurance companies and all. You can disagree with or agree with that, but it doesn't change this fact.

 

[killatop]

friends look at me

A lot of my friends look at me as a reason as to why marijuana shouldn't be illegal. I smoke a lot, but have a great job, I get awards and big raises at work all the time because of work performance and I am a law abiding citizen other than I smoke. I drive the speed limit, I saw yes maam and no sire and I'm never a dick in traffic, I always let people over.

They basically think, why would I ever want "me" to go to jail, it's stupid because he doesn't hurt anyone nor himself for that matter.

FYI: None of my friends smoke. well one did but she was stupid and got caught because she didn't follow my 4 rules of not getting caught.

 

[ceitniear]

No, no, no, as I understand it, RP's stance on marijuana is to decriminalize it on the federal level. States are still free to pass whatever laws they choose in regards to marijuana, but the main thrust of the argument is to get rid of the federal sentencing guidelines that can very well put a casual user in prison for life.

I don't think I'm wrong about this, but if I am, please feel free to correct.