Ron Paul absolutely MUST clarify his position on national defense.

[Seth]

"and at a 5th grade level of understanding."

Really? So the people we're trying to appeal to are no smarter than a 5th grader? Are you kidding me?

We are trying to win the Republican nomination...

 

[newbitech]

We are trying to win the Republican nomination...

so lets insult them...

 

[raystone]

"and at a 5th grade level of understanding."

Really? So the people we're trying to appeal to are no smarter than a 5th grader? Are you kidding me?

No, not kidding. Presidential speech grade level has been dropping for decades.

Do you think all GOP primary voters have a greater than average IQ ?

 

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

You ever think maybe Americans deserve what they get?

Warmongers will never vote for Paul, the end.

 

[ryanmkeisling]

I say to these people that want war, let them have it. Let them serve and see what war is like 1,000's of miles from their home. Let them see what it does to the economy. Let them lose their jobs. Perhaps it will take more time before Americans can really wake up and until then they will get what they vote for. The further destruction of their once great country.

It isn't about winning at any cost for Ron Paul, it is about remaining peaceful and principled. People can only live in fear for so long before it destroys them. These are the people being alluded to in this thread. They will reap what they sow.

 

[acptulsa]

You ever think maybe Americans deserve what they get?

No, I don't. I think they deserve better than to get fooled, over and over, even if they are complicit in their own foolishness. They work hard and can't afford what's being stolen from them while they're distracted by this b.s.

Warmongers will never vote for Paul, the end.

True. But Joe Sixpack can be cured of his warmongering if someone takes the time and effort to show him the light.

I say to these people that want war, let them have it. Let them serve and see what war is like 1,000's of miles from their home. Let them see what it does to the economy. Let them lose their jobs. Perhaps it will take more time before Americans can really wake up and until then they will get what they vote for. The further destruction of their once great country.

It isn't about winning at any cost for Ron Paul, it is about remaining peaceful and principled. People can only live in fear for so long before it destroys them. These are the people being alluded to in this thread. They will reap what they sow.

We have already reaped what they have sown. Some people refuse to wake up at all. A great many are already awake. The time has come. All we have to do is sound an alarm call, and we can wake up enough this round to put this thing over and stop the destruction of our country.

 

[sofia]

Our line of attack should be the NON EXISTANT nukes and the 1000's of US troops who dies for a pack of lies.....Close by bringing up the military donations.


They cant defend against such an attack.

 

[Feelgood]

How many different times, how many different ways, how much clearer can Ron Paul make his foreign policy for you? I mean honestly, if there is not enough material from Ron and others on exactly what his foreign policy IS, then YOU are the problem. There is plenty of material on the internet and elsewhere about his foreign policy.

Molotov did a GREAT job of explaining it here, if that helps...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=351761

 

[Butchie]

Butchie, Butchie, Butchie.

Now, do I need to threaten to kick your ass right ere on the forum, have you react naturally, and then turn around and use your natural reaction to prove my point that you're inherently evil and should be banned? Do I really need to do that? Because when you point a gun and a camera at someone, and you're careful to aim the gun at their head and aim the camera in such a way that you can't see the gun on the video, buddy, I'm here to tell you that you'll get a pleasantly skewed impression of that person to show the world.

No one cares if Iran feels safe. Cool. Now that we have two psychos on stage, given all the weight of being presidential candidates and telling the world that every Iranian down to the last babe in arms is some kind of kamikaze who would rather see their whole nation wiped out than suffer us to live, the way is clear for the Final Solution. You go set up The Ovens and I'll go get the poisonous gas. Maybe after we round up and wipe out the whole damned nation halfway around the world who couldn't deliver a nuke to their next door neighbor even if they had one, then maybe we can stop getting distracted and talk about our real problem which is the damned economy.

Not sure how you got that out of anything I said.

 

[acptulsa]

Not sure how you got that out of anything I said.

Some people, Ron Paul included, seem to suffer under the delusion that diplomacy is finding out if two peoples have common ground and meeting there. But if you don't care about the other's position at all, if you don't care if an entire nation is afraid, or if that entire nation has good reason to be afraid, that isn't a quest for common ground.

That's what diplomacy is...

"You take diplomacy out of war and the thing would fall flat in a week."--Will Rogers 1928

We are not after an excuse for war, here. Once upon a time the United States of America kicked the world's ass by inventing things the world needed and selling them to the world. Some of us would like to get back to that point. But in order to do that, we have to make Americans once again red-blooded enough not to hide under their beds from salmonella so that private enterprise can be entrepreneurial again without begging the government for fifteen dozen permits, and we have to make Americans red-blooded enough not to hide under their beds from people halfway around the world who couldn't deliver a nuke to us via UPS.

And you're not helping.

 

[affa]

the foreign policy message of a president should be able to be distilled to 'this is how I plan to avoid us needing to go to war', not 'these is when I'm gonna start bombing'.

Ron Paul is on message. It's the people that need to come around, not him. And most already have. Only the media keeps the flag of war up in the air - don't for a second believe they represent the will of the people.

 

[Deborah K]

No, not kidding. Presidential speech grade level has been dropping for decades.

Do you think all GOP primary voters have a greater than average IQ ?

uhh...those women in that picture look like transvestites to me.....just sayin'.

 

[vodalian]

We've all come to understand where RP stands on war, but to the casual observer he's sounding like a pacifist that is too opposed to violence to be trusted with the Presidency. More importantly. he's being portrayed as such by the media and his opponents. During the debate, he should have stressed that national defense is indisputably afforded by the Constitution and that he is indisputably the Constitutional candidate. I realize that he has limited time in these debates and that he was responding to specific concerns about Iran. However, RP needs to offer potential supporters a scenario that would prompt him to ask Congress for a formal declaration of war. He needs to assure them that he is well aware that war IS sometimes unavoidable and that, given proper justification and authorization, he would be fully empowered to unleash our military with overwhelming force and that he would not hesitate to do so in any part of the world. You can argue that he has already done this, but the cloud of doubt persists and it will follow this campaign through every state, starting with Iowa.

If he doesn't take the time to make this crystal clear to potential voters, he truly will have a ceiling of support. I believe he needs to issue a press release immediately regarding this matter. I would even suggest that he release a YouTube message about this so it can be looped by the media or linked and forwarded as needed by the grassroots, bloggers, etc. This policy position is undermining everything else we're doing.

I find it to be pretty sickening how many people now associate murdering people in other countries with strong defense and "good foreign policy".

 

[silentshout]

I think his position is very clear, and resonates with the majority of Americans.

 

[abruzz0]

It really sucks how we have to dumb everything down for the general public, but that's the sad reality of things. I think Ron needs to continue emphasizing that he's for a strong national defense, not militarism. Keep repeating this over and over. Somehow boil it down into a sentence or two what the difference is between DEFENSE and MILITARISM. That's the key issue here. What the neo-cons want is militarism, what RP wants is defense. Providing a contrast like that is a good start.

 

[Todd38]

How many different times, how many different ways, how much clearer can Ron Paul make his foreign policy for you? I mean honestly, if there is not enough material from Ron and others on exactly what his foreign policy IS, then YOU are the problem. There is plenty of material on the internet and elsewhere about his foreign policy.

Molotov did a GREAT job of explaining it here, if that helps...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=351761

It isn't about us not getting it, it is that not enough of the public gets it. They don't understand that Paul is not anti-war, he's against unnecessary wars that can be avoided.

 

[Todd38]

I think his position is very clear, and resonates with the majority of Americans.

Majority of Americans yes, majority of Republicans no.

 

[Todd38]

I find it to be pretty sickening how many people now associate murdering people in other countries with strong defense and "good foreign policy".

It is because Fox News and neocon am radio have created the idea that "we've got to kill them before they kill us" which instantly assumes that they obviously want to kill us and the "they" is 1.2 billion Muslims worldwide.

 

[ryanmkeisling]

uhh...those women in that picture look like transvestites to me.....just sayin'.

LMAO. I agree, I cannot imagine Ron Paul actually sat for that photo!

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Ron Paul's foreign policy is one of peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations. Jingoism does not serve this policy at any juncture.

He has been crystal clear in his views that free markets and peace accomplish more for national defense than war and jingoism, anyone not understanding this is willingly not listening to him.