Romney’s Worst Nightmare: Palin and Paul

[tbone717]

Which is exactly why Romney doesn't even care what we think.

At the end of the day i'm sure he's already moved past us and assumed most of us aren't worth targeting. Time will tell if that's a smart strategy.

On that thought, has there ever been an attempt at calculating how many votes are actually in play with Ron Paul supporters and what would that number be based upon?

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

She isn't an elected official or candidate for anything for a long while now. She is simply another media figure. So you are of the opinion that media and entertainment don't affect politics?

I never said she had to be an elected official in order to put fourth a political message. But that is precisely the problem with Palin: what is her message? Any milf can jump in front of a television camera and knock Obamacare and repeat the "smaller government" mantra that other Republicans have done for the past 4 years without any substance. What separates Paul's movement from Palin/Fox News followers are principles and substance. Of course Palin is going to maintain her popularity when she caters to the lowest common denominator. Paul on the other hand increased exposure and support of libertarian ideas without having to water down the message.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Maybe we need a better strategy that will make our vote important. If we drop out or vote 3rd, then we are not in the equation as far as the GOP is concerned. hmmmm

 

[cajuncocoa]

When has Sarah Palin said this? Is there a link to that?

Sarah Palin's comment was, You Had Better Not Marginalize Ron Paul!”

Just do a search on Sarah Palin comments on Ron Paul. You will see that she also agrees with his foreign and economic policies of a smaller government.

Alternate Republican Party .... Ron Paul with VP Sarah Palin!

Now that would be a nightmare for both the Democrats and the regular Republican Parties.

http://ronpaulflix.com/2012/01/sara...d-better-not-marginalize-ron-paul-jan-3-2012/

Thanks for the responses...I had forgotten she said that.

This is for Sullivan*, who -rep'd me instead of politely providing a response as the above members did:

 

[tbone717]

Maybe we need a better strategy that will make our vote important. If we drop out or vote 3rd, then we are not in the equation as far as the GOP is concerned. hmmmm

That is an interesting thought. I remember a conversation with a local politician fairly recently who said to me that the RP coalition only represents a gain and not a loss for the GOP candidate. Meaning that the bulk of those who make up the hardcore RP support, didn't vote for the GOP nominee in 08 or before. As far as myself, he would be correct - even though I have been a Republican since 1988 (with the exception of a very brief stint in the CP), I have never voted for the nominee. And as I posted above, I honestly have no idea how to quantify what the total number of votes that would amount to. Ron had 2 million votes in the primaries, he had 20,000 donors - somewhere between those two numbers is the number of votes that he could deliver to a candidate, and I have no idea how many people that actually is.

 

[parocks]

yes, I know... She stands by Israel. BUT research a bit further and you will see that she has spoken up for Ron Paul saying he is the only candidate that does promotes peace talks over war. She has spoken against many of our international involvements.

She does like Ron Paul on the foreign policy front... she just does not yet know it. She has fallen for the "isolationist" hype. She would fully support a president that would talk peace, and only go to war as an act of Congress.

ONE MORE TIME! If Ron Paul wants to be a Republican, than he can break it in two the same way the Church split ... We can be the Protest..

Alternate Republican Party! Ron Paul and Sarah Palin! In it to win it!! (or at least raise hell!)

We would not have to worry about media coverage. lol They would be all over this!

Perhaps Palin is aware of the power of AIPAC and doesn't want to piss them off. With Palin, a good bit of it is guessing, and hoping.

 

[parocks]

That is an interesting thought. I remember a conversation with a local politician fairly recently who said to me that the RP coalition only represents a gain and not a loss for the GOP candidate. Meaning that the bulk of those who make up the hardcore RP support, didn't vote for the GOP nominee in 08 or before. As far as myself, he would be correct - even though I have been a Republican since 1988 (with the exception of a very brief stint in the CP), I have never voted for the nominee. And as I posted above, I honestly have no idea how to quantify what the total number of votes that would amount to. Ron had 2 million votes in the primaries, he had 20,000 donors - somewhere between those two numbers is the number of votes that he could deliver to a candidate, and I have no idea how many people that actually is.

Well, if Romney loses certain states by less than Gary Johnson gets in those states, it's fairly clear that Romney lost votes to Johnson. I'd argue that if we decide to vote for Johnson, and basically just jump over from Paul to Johnson after Tampa, we don't use the word "libertarian" or "Ron Paul" to explain this, but Conservative.

As in "Romney lost because the Conservatives did not vote for Romney, but for Johnson". Romney is not Conservative enough. Not Romney is not Libertarian enough.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

That is an interesting thought. I remember a conversation with a local politician fairly recently who said to me that the RP coalition only represents a gain and not a loss for the GOP candidate. Meaning that the bulk of those who make up the hardcore RP support, didn't vote for the GOP nominee in 08 or before. As far as myself, he would be correct - even though I have been a Republican since 1988 (with the exception of a very brief stint in the CP), I have never voted for the nominee. And as I posted above, I honestly have no idea how to quantify what the total number of votes that would amount to. Ron had 2 million votes in the primaries, he had 20,000 donors - somewhere between those two numbers is the number of votes that he could deliver to a candidate, and I have no idea how many people that actually is.

Those numbers don't account for soft support that didn't vote in the primary and may not at all if RP is not the nominee. I know some of them. They would vote for him in the general, but don't vote in the primaries, don't know why, it just doesn't seem that important or that he could get the nomination. But if he were running as a nominee in the general they would vote for him, otherwise they won't vote at all.

 

[MelissaCato]

Ron Paul 2012 !! Darn it !!

 

[The Free Hornet]

She doesn't agree with RP on foreign policy. That is where they diverge. Most everything else, yes.

Bullshit.

Sarah Palin is a prohibitionist. Another drug warrior hypocrite:

When she ran as the Republican nominee for vice-president in 2008, Palin admitted to using marijuana in her youth but said she opposed making marijuana because of the “message” it would send to her children.

http://blog.mpp.org/prohibition/sarah-palin-marijuana-policy-reformer/06152010/

And I don't care that maybe she doesn't want herself or the other stoners locked up. What offends me is that she would lock up the productive people who grew, processed, and transported that plant so that she could get her inflated head high.

This tells me all I need to know about Sarah Palin and big government and a total lack of respect for capitalism and our civil liberties. National policy based on whatever-the-fuck message she wants to send her kids?! The hell with her.

 

[sailingaway]

Well, if Romney loses certain states by less than Gary Johnson gets in those states, it's fairly clear that Romney lost votes to Johnson. I'd argue that if we decide to vote for Johnson, and basically just jump over from Paul to Johnson after Tampa, we don't use the word "libertarian" or "Ron Paul" to explain this, but Conservative.

As in "Romney lost because the Conservatives did not vote for Romney, but for Johnson". Romney is not Conservative enough. Not Romney is not Libertarian enough.

If Romney loses by an amount less than the people who simply vote but leave president blank or write in Ron that will also show up.

I don't want to vote for someone I don't want as president. I'm voting for Ron Paul. Whether as president or VP depends on whether he is on the ballot as VP. Otherwise I'll write him in as president.

 

[Miss Annie]

She doesn't agree with RP on foreign policy. That is where they diverge. Most everything else, yes.

The whole Israel deal with the belief that they are God's chosen people, is really hard for a lot of people to get past. I hope our movement figures out a constructive way to combat that they have to support foreign interventionism for them to support Israel's existence or adhere to God's word. Insulting them, or Israel, is not the way though. In fact, it does the opposite.

Trish, Bill Kristol advised Sarah Palin early on. I would imagine her foreign policy came a lot from him.

I really thought that Ron Paul had accomplished this when he stated that he supported Jerusalem as Israel's capital city. The lack of positive response from that really confused me.

 

[wgadget]

Will Palin come to OUR rally or the Tea Party's? Maybe both? Hmmm...

http://mobile.usnews.com/news/blogs...ally-with-bachmann-cain-before-gop-convention

 

[tbone717]

Those numbers don't account for soft support that didn't vote in the primary and may not at all if RP is not the nominee. I know some of them. They would vote for him in the general, but don't vote in the primaries, don't know why, it just doesn't seem that important or that he could get the nomination. But if he were running as a nominee in the general they would vote for him, otherwise they won't vote at all.

Right, there are folks out there like that. But those folks aren't the ones really in play with a Paul endorsement. I'm trying to figure out how many votes can Paul deliver and honestly I have no idea how to quantify that number. If it is a significant amount of votes - say 5 million voters, then Romney would be bending over backwards to get those votes, but if a Paul endorsement (or lack of endorsement) amounts to only a couple hundred thousand votes nationally, then there is not much at stake.

 

[sailingaway]

Right, there are folks out there like that. But those folks aren't the ones really in play with a Paul endorsement. I'm trying to figure out how many votes can Paul deliver and honestly I have no idea how to quantify that number. If it is a significant amount of votes - say 5 million voters, then Romney would be bending over backwards to get those votes, but if a Paul endorsement (or lack of endorsement) amounts to only a couple hundred thousand votes nationally, then there is not much at stake.

I think he'd need to let us nominate Ron on the floor as VP, then have his delegates support it. Ron's folks will, imho, vote for Ron.

 

[tbone717]

I think he'd need to let us nominate Ron on the floor as VP, then have his delegates support it. Ron's folks will, imho, vote for Ron.

Agreed. There is. however, a segment that would not vote for Romney if Paul is on the ticket. Check out how much they despise Ron over at freerepublic for example. They are tepid on Romney already, but folks like that may support the ticket with someone like Rubio or Ryan as the VP. My guess, judging from what I read on there and similar sites is that they would not support the ticket if it were Romney/Paul.

From the Romney camp's perspective a lot of this has to be taken into account. How many votes would they gain, how many would they lose, etc. And like I said, I honestly do not know a good way to quantify what a Paul endorsement would equate to in regards to number of voters.

 

[wgadget]

Maybe Romney can gauge it by looking at his vote-flipping files....

 

[liveandletlive]

Will Palin come to OUR rally or the Tea Party's? Maybe both? Hmmm...

http://mobile.usnews.com/news/blogs...ally-with-bachmann-cain-before-gop-convention

lol cant count on a flake

 

[liveandletlive]

Agreed. There is. however, a segment that would not vote for Romney if Paul is on the ticket. Check out how much they despise Ron over at freerepublic for example. They are tepid on Romney already, but folks like that may support the ticket with someone like Rubio or Ryan as the VP. My guess, judging from what I read on there and similar sites is that they would not support the ticket if it were Romney/Paul.

From the Romney camp's perspective a lot of this has to be taken into account. How many votes would they gain, how many would they lose, etc. And like I said, I honestly do not know a good way to quantify what a Paul endorsement would equate to in regards to number of voters.

they'd still vote for Romney IMO, hatred of Obama trumps all but yea i believe the Romney operatives view Paul as a liability if he was VP

 

[ChristopherShelley]

funny, that isn't what HE said in a recent email claiming to be directly from HIM.

Wow, nice catch!