Romney Supports Her Submitting DNA: Ron Paul Should Make A Statement

say .. what????

Where do you live. I'm from St. Louis and we ain't that bad!

I have never committed a felony. You do know we are talking about crimes that can lock you up for at least a year?


Are you sure???? Do you know all the laws on the books?

Say a person delivers home heating oil which is considered a hazardous material. One day he drives half an hour to work, gets in his oil truck, makes a few deliveries, than goes to get breakfast. He realizes he forgot his wallet which has his Hazmat license in it. This person has committed a felony. It is a felony to drive a vehicle carrying hazardous materials without having his license with him.
 
If you have a Hazmat license then they already have your fingerprints. Asking for DNA doesn't even seem necessary.

In fact I do think doing so for non-violent crimes is a major waste of money.
 
say .. what????

Where do you live. I'm from St. Louis and we ain't that bad!

I have never committed a felony. You do know we are talking about crimes that can lock you up for at least a year?

Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent [Paperback]
Harvey Silverglate (Author)



The average professional in this country wakes up in the morning, goes to work, comes home, eats dinner, and then goes to sleep, unaware that he or she has likely committed several federal crimes that day. Why? The answer lies in the very nature of modern federal criminal laws, which have exploded in number but also become impossibly broad and vague. In Three Felonies a Day, Harvey A. Silverglate reveals how federal criminal laws have become dangerously disconnected from the English common law tradition and how prosecutors can pin arguable federal crimes on any one of us, for even the most seemingly innocuous behavior. The volume of federal crimes in recent decades has increased well beyond the statute books and into the morass of the Code of Federal Regulations, handing federal prosecutors an additional trove of vague and exceedingly complex and technical prohibitions to stick on their hapless targets. The dangers spelled out in Three Felonies a Day do not apply solely to “white collar criminals,” state and local politicians, and professionals. No social class or profession is safe from this troubling form of social control by the executive branch, and nothing less than the integrity of our constitutional democracy hangs in the balance.
 
say .. what????

Where do you live. I'm from St. Louis and we ain't that bad!

I have never committed a felony. You do know we are talking about crimes that can lock you up for at least a year?


I live in the same area dear. Have you been to north city? There are three felonies a day committed within one city block. And those people mean to commit those felonies. You commit them and don't even know it, because there are so many laws on the books you cannot possibly know them all. That's the idea.

And don't forget, ignorance of the law is no excuse. :)
 
I live in the same area dear. Have you been to north city? There are three felonies a day committed within one city block. And those people mean to commit those felonies. You commit them and don't even know it, because there are so many laws on the books you cannot possibly know them all. That's the idea.

And don't forget, ignorance of the law is no excuse. :)

It was not 3 felons a day committed in a neighborhood. The post I was responding to said "The average person commits 3 felonies a day" I think of myself as average, and I don't go around committing felony, after felony, after felony.

I am pretty much talked out on this subject, so we will just have to agree to disagree.
 
One you open a door for the government they will exploit the whole room until nothing is left but ashes. But I am sure this for the greater good and would never use it in a bad manner. Why would anyone, especially on here want to give the government MORE power?
 
All 50 states require DNA samples from convicted sex offenders. You disagree with this?

Yes, totally disagree.

Recidivism rate on sex offenses are actually orders of magnitude lower than most other crime.
  • Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%), and those in prison for possessing, using, or selling illegal weapons (70.2%).
  • Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17
 
Yes, totally disagree.

Recidivism rate on sex offenses are actually orders of magnitude lower than most other crime.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17

It actually helps a sex offender to have his dna on record. Before this, they were just routinely rounded up for questioning and possible detention if they happened to be in the area.

Dna can be used to prove innocence as well as quilt.
 
It was not 3 felons a day committed in a neighborhood. The post I was responding to said "The average person commits 3 felonies a day" I think of myself as average, and I don't go around committing felony, after felony, after felony.

I am pretty much talked out on this subject, so we will just have to agree to disagree.


There were 40,000 new laws put on the books just in 2012. There is no possible way you can say with the whole knowledge that you have NOT committed a crime by breaking a law on a daily basis. Why? Because you just cannot possibly know all the laws. That was the point of my post.

Not saying you intentionally may break one, but that doesn't really matter to the people who "enforce" the "law". They will put your ass in the slammer and take you DNA, often times before you've even been convicted(youre just accused), and you have no recourse once that swab is taken. Not to mention if your "lawbreaking" includes some kind of drug. If you give a buddy a ride in the car and they forget to wear their seatbelt in your car, there's a ticket. If for some reason that cop were to search your car and persons and they find drugs on your buddy....guess what. You're going down. Not only will they cart your ass off to jail, but they're gonna sieze your property and there's a good possibility you will not get it back. Ever.

I've seen it happen to people. I know it can happen.
 
That's an interesting way to look at it.

Though honestly I think I'd be more mad about getting my car back then someone getting a swab of spit from me.
 
That's an interesting way to look at it.

Though honestly I think I'd be more mad about getting my car back then someone getting a swab of spit from me.


Problem is, what are they going to do with either of them?

You don't know. They could give you your car back, but they will never give you your anonymity back. Once you're in the system, you're in for life. Why? Because you can't go to the labs they tested your swab in and get your swab back. You can never find every database that information was entered into and retrieve said information. It's a pandoras box that cannot be closed.
 
You guys are aware that biometrics including fingerprints are taken for every single visitor to the country right?

The are just working through the backlog to get to the point where they have biometrics on everybody inside the borders.
 
They already have my information, my Mug Shot, my Social Security number, my License Number, if I spend a night in jail they probably got my finger prints. I'm in the file anyway.

Is it that DNA is that much more personal then any other form of I.D.?
 
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