Romney helping Gingrich pay off his campaign

[wgadget]

Let's be clear here, it isn't ROMNEY offering to pay off the debt. He is merely offering to help Newt get money from his other suckers.

Also, IIRC Newt was worth somewhere in the $50million range....

You mean Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan?

 

[WesSeid]

They'll go either with a safe choice like Portman, or the logical choice- Rubio (unless he doesn't want it or has something *truly* negative in his past history).

If Rubio's parents weren't U.S. citizens at the time of his birth, then he's not a natural-born citizen and thus ineligible for VP anyway. Just like how Obama's dad is British.

People like to bring up the 14th Amendment on this stuff. Well, the father of the 14th Amendment stood in front of Congress and said both parents need to be U.S. citizens.

 

[Titus]

If Rubio's parents weren't U.S. citizens at the time of his birth, then he's not a natural-born citizen and thus ineligible for VP anyway. Just like how Obama's dad is British.

People like to bring up the 14th Amendment on this stuff. Well, the father of the 14th Amendment stood in front of Congress and said both parents need to be U.S. citizens.

Wes, the legal consensus currently is "natural born" includes those who were born in the United States. Therefore Rubio would be eligible (if born in the United States).

 

[floridasun1983]

Isn't he the one who wanted poor black kids to scrub bathroom floors and be janitors?

I'm not a fan of Gingrich at all but that is a total mischaracterization of what he said.

 

[WesSeid]

Wes, the legal consensus currently is "natural born" includes those who were born in the United States. Therefore Rubio would be eligible (if born in the United States).

I think the current legal consensus is "eh, we don't want to touch that topic with a 10-foot pole." There is legal evidence including a Supreme Court case that both parents must be U.S. citizens. Check out the lawyer blog at http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/ for plenty of interesting reading.

I mean, seriously, under perceived current rules, an evil leader of a country could have a kid with another evil leader of another country, then sneak the mother past the U.S. border, give birth to the kid on U.S. soil, and that kid could grow up to be President of the United States. Pretty sure the Founders wanted to avoid such things.

I'm not trying to push for Obama to be ousted over it, (though I wouldn't mind), but people shouldn't be pushing Rubio if his parents weren't U.S. citizens at the time of his birth. It's pretty obvious the Founders didn't intend someone whose parents have citizenship with other countries to become Pres or VP, and if/when Congress ever grows a set of Constitutional balls again, a first order of business should be to set people straight on natural-born citizen once and for all.

 

[Ivash]

1) Rubio is logical because he would fire up the base, take Florida off the 'toss up' states, and bring Hispanics (I always get a 'why do you think he'll pull in Hispanics He's Cuban!' The answer is because that is how identity politics work. That is how Obama got a large part of the vote despite being half-white.)

2) The reason that anchor babies exist is because the legal consensus is that it means 'born in the US'.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'm not a fan of Gingrich at all but that is a total mischaracterization of what he said.

I'm glad you said that. I was going to say the same thing.

 

[Titus]

Wes, while I do see your argument. I respectfully disagree. In the time of the founders, such cross-border travel was immensely difficult. It took at least months to sail from Europe to the United States and it would mean enduring great risks. Also, women didn't know they were pregnant as early we do now. Such a journey may be impossible to finish on time.

Also, the Founders were concerned with those who had special titles. They did not want a special group with special titles (duke, earl, etc.) to essentially lord over the rest of us. This may be a place where the Constitution is anachronistic. This is similar to the fact the Founders could not talk about searching a computer or its data in the constitution. Such things did not exist.

Going down a route that the founders probably meant "born to US citizens" rather than "natural born" is a dangerous rewrite when the Founders could have said the Former.

This is pretty much settled law though now.

 

[J_White]

reminds me of Cash for Clunkers !
well delegates are not totally clunkers though.