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Sounds like you guys are pretty spooked. Therapy may help you perform your duties without being so jumpy. Glad I'm not in your jurisdiction.
Road raging cop causes accident. Doesn't get cited.
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Sounds like you guys are pretty spooked. Therapy may help you perform your duties without being so jumpy. Glad I'm not in your jurisdiction.
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That is anecdotal, and though personally relevant to you, does not reflect the actual statistics. There was a spike in 2011. 72 officers killed in L.O.D. Of these 38 deaths were felonious. Since then there has been a trend downwards.
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Still doesn't take away from the fact that we have the right to be extremely cautious and at times downright scared when we approach a vehicle.
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I'm not saying that at all. I am just referencing statistics to qualm your fears that there is a target on your back and the 'us vs. them' mentality that (may) is created by it. When I am confronted by police I am extremely cautious. But then, even though police do not keep a tally as to civilian deaths and abuse as required by Congress, I know the score well. I know who has the armament, the body armor, the back up and the Just-Us system behind them.
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Bulletproof vests, don't exactly protect us from bullets to the face. In a country that allows any old joe to carry a weapon (as long as he's not a felon) it's quite good to be overly cautious, but, again, I have never pulled my weapon on anyone in a traffic stop.
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Cops being shot and killed by "civilians" is statistically close to zero.
10 so far this year, a 9% decrease from this time last year.
46 in 2012.
67 in 2011.
http://www.odmp.org/
Cops shooting and killing us on the other hand...not so much.
583 in 2012
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Umm..."that allows"?
The right to bear arms for defense is a natural right.
Government "allows" not a fucking thing.
The only thing government does is infringe that right, in violation of the law.
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Easy AF, I'm not stepping on the 2nd at all. Getting a little sleepy, hard to think of the proper words.
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No, from all over the country.
Got a pretty good tally going so far for 2013.
I didn't count them all, looks to be a couple hundred or so:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States_2013
2013-03-12 Johnston, Daniel (58) Connecticut (Willimantic) Police were responding to a report of a man acting in a threatening manner. Officers arrived and found Johnston armed with a hatchet, and after a confrontation where Johnston refused to drop the hatchet, they shot and killed him.[1]
2013-03-10 Whiting, Horace (61) Tennessee (Memphis) Police responded to a call reporting an armed person. On arrival they found Whiting standing in the street holding a shotgun. Police stated that Whiting refused to drop the gun and, in fact, fired it instead, at which point they shot and killed him.[2]
2013-03-10 Salameh, Taleb Hussein Yousef (28) Iowa (North Liberty) Police responded to a 911 call reporting domestic violence. When they arrived at the scene gunshots were exchanged and Salameh was shot and killed.[3]
2013‑03‑10 Rawls, Anthony (49) Georgia (Warner Robins) Police allegedly received a call that Rawls had a gun and was threatening his wife. Officers shot and killed him outside his home.[4]
2013‑03‑10 Dixon, Arthur, Jr. (43) Florida (St. Petersburg) Police were responding to a 911 call from a woman who said her son was threatening suicide. Two officers shot the man to death after he allegedly threatened them with a pair of scissors.[5]
2013‑03‑10 Gilkerson, James L. (42) Ohio (Middlefield) Gilkerson was pulled over for a routine traffic stop when he got out and began shooting at two officers with an AK-47, police say. Both officers returned fire and killed him.[6][7]
2013‑03‑10 Allen, Clinton Texas (Dallas) Police were responding to a disturbance call involving Allen, whom they had dealt with before. Officer Clark Staller shot and killed Allen during a struggle between them.[8]
2013-03-09 Gray, Kimani (16) New York (Brooklyn) Gray and some other people were standing outside a building when they were approached by plainclothes officers. The officers stated that Gray attempted to leave the area when he saw them. They stated that he adjusted his waistband and “continued to act in a suspicious manner." The officers said that Gray then drew a gun and pointed it at them, at which point they shot and killed him.[9]
2013‑03‑09 Wright, Jeffrey Allen (55) Florida (Navarre) Wright was shot and killed by SWAT members Sgt. Nathan Hall, Deputy Brian Miller and Detective Jerry Nash after allegedly pointing a pistol at them inside his home. Police were attempting to serve a felony warrant for counterfeiting. Wright barricaded himself in his home and SWAT was called in.[10]
2013‑03‑08 Saenz, Daniel (37) Texas (El Paso) An officer shot and killed an inmate he was escorting to a hospital for a medical release. The two men allegedly got into a struggle before the officer shot him several times. Saenz was handcuffed at the time.[11]
2013‑03‑07 Ayala, Ramon (27) Washington (Sunnyside) Officers responded to a report of a man shooting a gun into the air on a busy street corner. An officer shot and killed Ayala when he ignored their commands and allegedly pointed the gun towards them.[12]
2013‑03‑06 unnamed male California (Livingston) Police pulled a man over for an unknown reason and threatened to tow his truck because of a suspended license. The man drove away and a high-speed chase ensued, ending when the man crashed his truck. Police say he pulled out a rifle and pointed it at officers, who fired at him.[13]
2013‑03‑06 Kelley, Troy (47) Georgia (Columbus) Police were responding to a domestic dispute. Officers shot and killed Kelley after he allegedly fired a weapon at them.[14]
2013-03-05 Dennison, Parrish (41) New Mexico (Albuquerque) Dennison ran from police after being confronted while allegedly trying to sell stolen property. Police claim that he pointed a handgun at them as he was running. The Albuquerque SWAT team locked down the area. Police stated that when they located Dennison he ran toward them with a gun in his hand, at which point they shot and killed him.[15]
2013‑03‑04 Cisneros, Santiago A., III (32) Oregon (Portland) Cisneros was shot and killed by Officers Brad Kula and Michele Boer in a parking garage after allegedly firing a shotgun at them.[16][17]
2013‑03‑04 Garza, Jimmy James, Jr. (31) Texas (San Antonio) Garza was shot after a SWAT standoff when he reportedly bolted from his home toward officers while holding a rifle. Police were responding to a report that he had assaulted his ex-girlfriend. [18]
2013‑03‑04 Meeks, Anthony Desean (22) North Carolina (Concord) The U.S. Marshals Service, FBI, and local police were responding to a tip about a wanted suspect and allegedly found Meeks at a window with a gun. They shot and killed him after he reportedly came out of the window with the gun.[19]
2013‑03‑03 Stoddard-Nunez, Shawn Joseph Jetmore (19) California (Hayward) Stoddard-Nunez was riding with 24-year-old Arthur Pakman to a friend's house when police attempted a traffic stop and Pakman allegedly rammed his car into a police cruiser. The officer fired into the vehicle and hit Stoddard-Nunez twice, killing him. Police say they seek to charge Pakman with his friend's death.[20]
2013‑03‑02 McMillan, Jesse Ray (26) Oregon (Kelso) Police were investigating a hit-and-run incident where the driver, McMillan, had fled into a nearby residence. He eventually came outside and allegedly began firing, striking Kelso officer Ralph Hines in the leg. Hines and Cowlitz County Sheriff’s Deputy Danny O’Neill shot and killed McMillan.[21]
2013‑03‑02 Smith, Amos G. (26) California (Union City) Smith was pulled over by officers and attempted to flee, police say. Police shot and killed him after he allegedly pointed a gun at officers.[22][23]
2013‑03‑02 Aduddell, Ronald (28) California (San Jose) Police attempted a traffic stop when they felt a vehicle looked suspicious, and a chase ensued. After reportedly ramming several police cars, Aduddell got out of the vehicle and was shot to death by Officers Ian Cooley and Adam Jenkins, who say his hands were on his waistband area. Police did not locate a weapon at the scene.[24]
2013‑03‑02 Sawyer, Aaron (23) California (San Francisco) Daly City police spotted Sawyer behind the wheel of a stolen vehicle and chased him into San Francisco. Sawyer eventually abandoned the car and fled on foot. A Daly City officer shot him in the torso, killing him, after Sawyer allegedly raised a gun at officers.[25]
2013‑03‑01 Patterson, Marcus Dewayne (35) Oklahoma (Oklahoma City) Police say they were responding to a call about a possible drug deal when Sgt. Charles Schamel, an undercover officer, shot and killed a person driving a car. Patterson, the driver, allegedly attempted to run over Schamel.[26]
2013‑03‑01 Schaefer, John (70) Texas (Austin) Schaefer called police to report being attacked by a pit bull in his yard that was not his. Officer Jonathan Whitted shot and killed Schaefer when he refused to surrender his pistol to the officer and allegedly pointed it at him. Schaefer was an instructor at the Austin Rifle Club.[27]
2013‑03‑01 Myers, Daniel John (47) Texas (El Paso) Myers was killed in a shootout with El Paso police and a US Border Patrol Agent. He was wanted for robbery charges in Michigan.[28]
February 2013
Date Name (Age) State (City) Description
2013‑02‑28 Shreckengaust, Richard (37) California (Guerneville) Police received a call from a woman whose friend was sending her text messages saying she had been kidnapped. Police located the vehicle and attempted to pull it over. Shreckengaust, the driver, refused to stop, and eventually crashed into an embankment. A deputy shot Shreckengaust several times, killing him, when he allegedly leaned to the right of the car. Police did not find a gun. The woman, an acquaintance of Shreckengaust, was not harmed. [29]
2013‑02‑26 Jurgen, Adam (24) South Carolina (Columbia) Police were responding to report of a man assaulting a woman. The man, Jurgen, fled the scene and then fired at officers, striking deputy Sheila Aull. Aull and at least four other officers returned fire and killed Jurgen.[30][31]
2013‑02‑26 Keewatinawin, Jack (21) Washington (Seattle) Police were responding to a call that a man was armed with a knife and holding his father hostage. When officers arrived, Keewatinawin used his father as a shield and attempted to flee, police say. Three officers shot and killed Keewatinawin when he allegedly threatened an officer with a steel pipe.[32]
2013‑02‑26 Goulet, Jeremy (35) California (Santa Cruz) Goulet was shot and killed during a police pursuit after allegedly fatally shooting Santa Cruz officers Sgt. Loran Baker and Detective Elizabeth Butler. Baker and Butler had come to Goulet's home to follow up on assault allegations.[33]
2013‑02‑25 unnamed male (39) California (Riverside) The man was shot to death by officers in the parking lot of an apartment complex. Police were responding to a report of a car theft in progress. Police say they shot him when he rammed a police cruiser with the stolen vehicle.[34]
2013‑02‑23 unnamed male Nevada (Reno) Police were responding to a domestic disturbance call. An officer shot and killed a man from whom he "perceived a threat."[35]
2013‑02‑22 Potts, Martin Y. Missouri (Springfield) Police were investigating two burglaries and attempting to execute a search warrant on a property when they encountered Potts, who fled. Potts was killed by members of a Special Response Team after allegedly firing at officers.[36]
2013‑02‑21 Taylor, Christopher (19) California (Long Beach) Officers spotted a stolen vehicle and pursued it until it crashed into a garage. Taylor was shot and killed by officers after he allegedly fired at them. Police say they recovered a handgun at the scene.[37]
2013‑02‑21 Thompson, Clifton (72) Pennsylvania (Conewago) Thompson called a crisis line to say he was armed and suicidal, and police were contact and sent to his home. Officers were allegedly trying to negotiate with Thompson when he fired one shot at them with a rifle and ran outside. He encountered another officer who fired at him four times with a patrol rifle, killing him. [38]
2013‑02‑19 Bowie, Carl Richard, III (25) Alaska (Anchorage) Police received a call about a man looking into cards in a parking lot. When they arrived he fled in a stolen truck, and a chase ensued. Two officers opened fire on Bowie after he allegedly hit two police cars with the truck.[39]
2013‑02‑18 Sellars, Taft (30) Virginia (Alexandria) Police arrived at a home and shot and killed Sellars, who they say had a gun. The Alexandria Police Department refuses to release any other information about this incident, citing department policy.[40]
2013‑02‑15 Franco, Emmanuel (25) California (Monterey Park) Police were responding to a domestic disturbance between a couple at a motel. The couple left in a vehicle, and police followed them and initiated a traffic stop. Officers shot and killed Franco after he allegedly exited the vehicle and brandished a handgun at them.[41]
2013-02-08 Torres, Robert Antonio (33) Nevada (Las Vegas) Torres was killed during an exchange of gunfire with Metro officer Joseph Parra and Detective Scott Thomas in an apartment parking lot. Two bystanders were hit by gunfire; one was hospitalized and in critical condition.[42]
2013-02-04 Dykes, Jimmy Lee (65) Alabama (Midland City) Six days earlier, subject killed a school bus driver and abducted a 5 year old boy, then took refuge in an underground bunker on his property. After negotiations broke down, FBI SWAT team raided the bunker killing the subject.[43]
2013‑02‑03 unnamed male (80s) Texas (Harlingen) Officers responded to a report of a domestic disturbance. They arrived to witness a man shoot a woman in the chest. The officers fatally shot the man.[44]
January 2013
Date Name (Age) State (City) Description
2013-01-30 Morales, Ronette (30) Colorado (Denver) Two plain clothes officers attempted to arrest Morales for charges of burglary, assault and harassment. Morales shot one officer in the hand and was subsequently fatally shot.[45]
2013-01-29 unnamed male Texas (Fort Worth) Officers responded to a police report that a fugitive was behind a building they happened to be at. Upon discovering the suspect, he opened fire wounding an officer. The officers returned fire, fatally wounding the suspect.[46]
2013-01-28 Muhammad, Ishmael (29) Pennsylvania (Harrisburg) Officers responded to a report that Muhammed had assaulted his girlfriend. He barricaded himself inside the apartment and using a machete kept a 2-year-old and a disabled 26-year-old as hostages. Officials report that Muhammad “was obviously under the influence of some drugs.” After a standoff of a few hours he was fatally shot twice when his waving of the machete prompted officers to fear for the lives of the hostages. [47]
2013-01-28 Schroeder, Thomas E (50) Missouri (Craig) Missouri Highway Patrol Trooper stopped a vehicle on I-29 for speed. After noticing an odor of alcohol, Trooper began asking about DUI and the driver tried to flee. During a struggle, subject was pepper sprayed and when not subdued and still struggling, he was shot fatally.[48][49]
2013-01-28 Harris, Anthony (38) Florida (Jacksonville) Responding to a call for a domestic dispute, officers encountered the subject who tried to take one officer's weapon. During the struggle, he was killed by the second officer.[50]
2013-01-27 Anderson, James D (32) Washington (Seattle) Subject was ejected from a club, after which he returned and shot two people, including his girlfriend. When responding officers contacted him as he was leaving, shots were exchanged and subject was killed.[51][52]
2013-01-27 Culpepper, Brandon (30) Illinois (Homewood) Police were called to an apartment building for a disturbance. On arrival, there was a confrontation with the subject who was shot by officers.[53]
2013-01-25 Combs, Douglas (16) Washington (Vancouver) Authorities with Vancouver Police and Clark County Sheriff's Office were investigating a home invasion shooting that injured one and two armed robberies from earlier that day when they confronted Douglas E. Combs and another 16-year-old near East 19th Street and E Street in Vancouver. Officers believe Combs is the primary suspect in the three crimes.
After attempting contact with the two 16-year-olds, police say an officer shot Combs. Officers said Combs had been armed at the time of the shooting, and was pronounced dead at the scene.[54]
2013-01-25 Unnamed Male Maryland (Baltimore) Authorities said two officers who are part of a gun and drug enforcement group in that area approached a group of people. One of those men started walking in the opposite direction, and when one of the officers tried to approach him, the man turned and started shooting at the officer, police said.
Investigators said the officer chased the man on foot for six blocks while the man continued to fire shots at the officer. Officials said the officer eventually returned fire and shot the man, who later died at a hospital.[55]
2013-01-25 Davis, Willie Jr (23) Arizona (Tucson) An officer responded to a report of an armed robbery. A suspect matching the description was chased in a vehicle until the suspect crashed. An altercation ensued during which the officer fatally shot the suspect.[56][57]
2013-01-24 unnamed male Michigan (Kalamazoo) Officers located a domestic assault suspect several hours after the initial complaint. He was shot during an ensuing confrontation.[58]
2013-01-24 Hatcher, Jordan (22) Texas (Grand Prairie) Grand Prairie police responded to a felony theft call around 3:50 p.m. at the Target at Camp Wisdom Road and State Highway 360, police said. One of the suspects fled on foot and crossed city lines into Arlington, according to Arlington police spokesman Sgt. Christopher Cook.
During the chase, the man ran across a freeway and into a parking lot at the Tarrant County College Southeast Campus. The man got into a physical altercation with police that ended when a Grand Prairie officer shot him, Cook said. [59]
2013-01-22 Walters, Kathryn (46)
Walters, Maximillian (5) Nevada (Boulder City) Both killed during a domestic dispute incident by their husband/father who was a Las Vegas Police Lieutenant. Subject then set fire to the house, called 911 and waited for officers to arrive after which he stepped inside and shot himself.[60]
2013-01-22 Bondo, Craig (20) Colorado (Woodland) Officers pulled over a suspected stolen vehicle. When the officers attempted to detain the suspect, he drove away, hitting one of the officers with the vehicle. An officer opened fire on the vehicle, fatally wounding the suspect. A witness reports hearing five shots and that the back window of the vehicle was shattered. [61]
2013-01-21 unnamed male Louisiana (Addis) Officers responded to a report of robbery in progress at a store. The suspect took a customer hostage at gunpoint and stole a police cruiser. The suspect crashed the cruiser at a police roadblock. As officers approached the vehicle, the suspect threatened to kill the hostage and himself. An officer fired three times, killing the suspect. [62]
2013-01-18 unnamed male Alabama (Oxford) Officers responded to a report of a burglary suspect with several arrest warrants who was spotted in a store. When the officers asked the suspect to step outside, the suspect produced a knife and began slashing at the officers. A Taser was ineffective and the officers fatally shot the suspect when he charged at them.[63]
2013-01-17 Ramsey, Eric (30) Michigan (Mount Pleasant) Officers were searching for Ramsey as the prime suspect in a recent abduction, rape and arson. Ramsey rammed his vehicle into a squad car and fled in a stolen garbage truck. He was fatally shot by a sheriff's deputy.[64]
2013-01-17 unnamed male California (San Diego) Officers surrounded an apartment complex after receiving a report that two wanted parolees were there and at least one was armed. After several hours the men fled and one was cornered. One was fatally shot after refusing to show his hands and reaching into his pockets. The other suspect was arrested after an hours-long search.[65]
2013-01-16 unnamed male Arizona (Buckeye) An officer fatally shot a man after he shot at police. [66]
2013-01-15 Weber, Todd S Missouri (Kansas City) Officers attempted to stop Weber's vehicle. Weber led officers on a low-speed chase at no faster than 35 mph. Stop sticks slowed the vehicle, but it continued for several miles. Weber eventually stopped, exited his vehicle, pointed a gun at officers and began firing. Officers returned fire, killing him.[67]
2013-01-15 unnamed male Hawaii (Honolulu) Officers responded to a truck driving fast the wrong way. Police fired multiple times when the driver rammed five marked police cruisers. The deceased suspect was a soldier at Schofield Barracks.[68]
2013-01-14 Roberts, Karlando (32) New Jersey (East Orange) Officers responded to a report of a stabbing in progress. Roberts was found to be stabbing his father-in-law and refused to drop the knife. Officers shot Roberts who died at a local hospital.[69]
2013-01-14 Swilling, Wesley (31) South Carolina (Greenville) Swilling was in the Law Enforcement Center parking lot and approached an officer and deputy in a “threatening manner” with what appeared to be a weapon. Fearing for their safety, they both shot at Swilling, hitting him at least once. Swilling fell down, but continued to approach them, so they took cover behind a vehicle and both fired again, hitting him at least once more. Swilling was pronounced dead at the scene.[70]
2013-01-14 unnamed male Tennessee (Memphis) Officers responded to a report of loud music. They found a man slumped over inside a vehicle. As officers approached him, he pointed a gun at them and they fatally shot him.[71]
2013-01-12 unnamed male (21) California (San Diego) Officers attempted to stop a vehicle for speeding. A high speed pursuit ensued. After the suspect drove into a vacant lot, he U-turned and drove towards the officers. The officers opened fire, fatally wounding the driver and injuring a passenger.[72]
2013-01-12 Saylor, Robert E. (26) Maryland (Frederick) Three off-duty officers moonlighting as security guards confronted Saylor, a mentally ill man with Down's Syndrome, when he refused to leave the theater after a movie. He was handcuffed when, according to police, he became "medically distressed." His death was ruled homicide by asphyxia.[73]
2013-01-11 Moretz, Chad Georgia (Savannah) Officers approached Moretz at his home to question him about a missing man who was a friend of his. A standoff ensued which ended when Moretz walked out of his house with a rifle in hand and was fatally shot by a SWAT sniper. The dismembered remains of the friend were found in the house.[74]
2013-01-11 unnamed male California (Santa Ana) Officers on patrol attempted to speak to a suspicious person in the back seat of a car. The suspect jumped into the front seat and drove towards the officers who then fatally shot him. [75]
2013-01-10 Dempsey, John Edward (37) West Virginia (Logan) Officers pursued Dempsey as the prime suspect in a recent murder and carjacking. Dempsey was fatally shot after “pulling a gun on troopers.” [76]
2013-01-10 Ozeir, Rabih (18) Okalahoma (Cushing) Officers responded to a gym after an employee reported Ozeir confronted gym staff. When officers arrived, they report Ozeir confronted them with a handgun and refused commands to put it down. The officers shot Ozeir who died in a hospital the next day.[77]
2013-01-09 Simons, Kelly Fay (38) Utah (Salt Lake City) Shot and killed by police after allegedly driving toward a JCAT (Joint Criminal Apprehension Team) officer. Police say she was a suspect in a series of robberies.[78]
2013-01-08 unnamed female (24) Florida (Palm Beach) Officers responded to a report of a domestic disturbance. They found a woman holding a knife to the throat of her boyfriend. The officers shot her when she refused commands to drop the knife and “turned to stab him.” She died from her injuries.[79]
2013-01-07 Jimenez, Vincent Arizona (Phoenix) Officers attempted to stop a driver who seemed impaired. The driver fled and led officers on a chase that ended at the suspect's home where he crashed into a retaining wall. When officers approached the driver, the suspect rammed two cruisers and accelerated towards officers who opened fire. The suspect was pronounced dead at the scene. A five-year-old child was discovered unharmed in the passenger seat.[80]
2013-01-07 unnamed male (35) California (Fresno) An officer attempted to stop a pedestrian suspected of being a wanted parolee. The suspect fled, jumped several fences, then confronted the officer with a knife. After a short fight, the officer stepped back and shot twice, fatally wounding the suspect.[81]
2013-01-07 unnamed male (31) Pennsylvania (Coolbaugh Township) Officers responded to a report that the suspect had abducted his 9-year-old son and was armed. A 40 mile chase ended following unspecified police intervention. Officers and the suspect exchanged gunfire which killed one officer and the suspect.[82]
2013-01-06 Mims, Spencer Rollins III (55) North Carolina (Charlotte) Officers responded to a report from Mims stating that he was having trouble with his son. When officers arrived at his home, they found Mims holding a box-cutter to his own throat. An officer fired a stun gun intending to prevent Mims from harming himself. Mims instead lunged at the officers with the box cutter. An officer shot Mims at least once. Mims died at a local hospital.[83]
2013-01-05 unnamed male Colorado (Aurora) Officers responded to a report of multiple homicides. A woman had escaped from a home and called police after discovering that three people in the home appeared to be dead. A six-hour standoff ensued with the home surrounded by SWAT officers. A man in the home was killed when he shot at police.[84]
2012-01-04 Banks, Darrell (47) Pennsylvania (Philadelphia) Plain clothes officers in an alley were investigating an armed home invasion when they spotted a man who matched the suspect's description. The man fled. Police report they fatally shot him when he pointed an object at them. No weapons were recovered at the scene. Family members report Banks was walking home from a birthday party. [85]
2013-01-04 O'Donnell, Seth (26) Pennsylvania (Mt. Pleasant) Police responded to a report of a disturbance at a store. The suspect had a pair of scissors and was acting violently. O'Donnell slashed an officer's head with the scissors and was then fatally shot. [86]
2013‑01‑01 Chavez, Mark (49) New Mexico (Farmington) An officer responded to a report by Chavez that he had killed a woman. Chavez aggressively approached the officer with a blunt impact weapon. The officer used a Taser, which was ineffective. The officer then shot Chavez in the leg and torso. Chavez died at a local hospital. Investigators could not find evidence of a woman having been killed and suspect that Chavez made the call to lure police to his residence.[87]
2013-01-01 Fuentes, Victor (22) Texas (Tyler) Officers responded to reports of numerous gunshots at a home on New Years Eve. Officers arrived and heard more gunshots. A man was seen with a weapon and commanded to drop it. He instead went inside the house. After again refusing commands to drop the weapon, Fuentes pointed the handgun at an officer who fatally shot him.[88]
2013-01-01 Tavares, Christopher (21) Colorado (Pueblo) Officers were investigating a neighborhood after hearing gunfire. They pursued a suspicious vehicle that crashed after a short chase. A passenger in the vehicle shot an officer in the shoulder and three people fled in different directions. Officers found the shooting suspect less than an hour later. They fatally shot Tavares when he refused to listen to the officers' commands and attempted to flee. The two other persons in the vehicle were arrested.[89]
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^^^
Only one in VA at least my state isn't one of the worst offenders.
Only one in VA at least my state isn't one of the worst offenders.
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Sorry, not meaning to jump, but many folks actually believe that.
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In a country that allows any old joke to be a cop it's equally well to be over cautious. But, again, I've never had to pull my weapon during a traffic stop. Of course, if I were forced to, I know the outcome. I wouldn't be getting a flag draped coffin and a mention in the paper that I was a "hero." Nor will my family be getting any union provided survivor benefits.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.
My computer crashed not long ago and I lost quite a bit of pertinent info I use in these debates. I'm glad you chimed in. Gonna have to rebuild my database and save it to a card.
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The selection process is one of the toughest things to get through. Some bad apples get through the screening though.
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Or, as is more likely, do the apples come through as apples and get infected by the environment on the other side?
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I thought you might be lying below, thanks for the proof:
Yes, it happened in post #3 when you mischaracterized people here. You started firing random insults for no reason.
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