RNC refuses to seat Maine delegation unless they agree to "compromise"

[PatriotOne]

There will be nothing positive said about Obama (especially to media).

This concern made me chuckle. As if THAT was even a possibility.

 

[sailingaway]

This concern made me chuckle. As if THAT was even a possibility.

well, I could see it in an 'I don't see much difference' sort of way. But honestly, our Maine delegates are as presentable as blazes. They are nuts not to want to showcase them.

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Maine's new RNC Committeewoman:

http://www.businessinsider.com/meet-the-women-of-the-ron-paul-revolution-2012-5?op=1

At 21 she is the youngest known elected Committeewoman in the COUNTRY, and she is REPUBLICAN. You would think they would make her a poster person.

 

[TheTexan]

Just like many that quit or learn something, everyone should have quit or learned at the same time you did, or else they are just bad people.

Back in '07 I googled Ron Paul. Within 5 minutes I was hooked.

We've been selling freedom to the Republican base for how long now? Years. Brochures, handouts. Speeches. Debates. One on one conversations. We've explained, and clarified, as best we can. It's not that they don't understand Ron's positions, or the issues, or what we believe freedom is, they just reject it. Completely.

If the people of this country were generally "open" to the idea of freedom, but didn't think it would work, or had concerns, or questions regarding it, you might have a point. But they have expressed open hostility to freedom. Not just the Republican party. Not just the media. But the individual people themselves.

I ran out of excuses a long time ago as to why they don't want freedom. The simple fact of the matter is they don't. Until we accept that we simply cannot move forward in a productive fashion.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Back in '07 I googled Ron Paul. Within 5 minutes I was hooked.

We've been selling freedom to the Republican base for how long now? Years. Brochures, handouts. Speeches. Debates. One on one conversations. We've explained, and clarified, as best we can. It's not that they don't understand Ron's positions, or the issues, or what we believe freedom is, they just reject it. Completely.

If the people of this country were generally "open" to the idea of freedom, but didn't think it would work, or had concerns, or questions regarding it, you might have a point. But they have expressed open hostility to freedom. Not just the Republican party. Not just the media. But the individual people themselves.

I ran out of excuses a long time ago as to why they don't want freedom. The simple fact of the matter is they don't. Until we accept that we simply cannot move forward in a productive fashion.

So you think it's hopeless to bring anyone else into the freedom movement? We've convinced all that we can, we're on our own now? If not, then who are they that are the hopeless and who are the possibilities?

So what's your point? It still remains that they have been deceived, some perhaps willingly, others not, but the result is the same.

You can't teach people from their birth one thing then expect an immediate turnaround once they hear the truth, because they don't know it's the truth, yet. And that IS the media's fault (in what ever form), they won't show the truth if it's in the best interest of the people, because they can't get an advantage from that.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

This concern made me chuckle. As if THAT was even a possibility.

I know, me too. It's like they want people to think our people would promote Obama over Romney or something. Would saying Obamney be off limits?

 

[CPUd]

I know, me too. It's like they want people to think our people would promote Obama over Romney or something. Would saying Obamney be off limits?

OOPS:

 

[ClydeCoulter]

OOPS:

I've heard about this "slip-up" on the forums here, but had not heard it from the "horses mouth" until now, thanks
Ah, and I guess it's okay to use that phrase then.

 

[dillo]

what happens if they sign it and ignore it? They get called liars?

 

[devil21]

Back in '07 I googled Ron Paul. Within 5 minutes I was hooked.

We've been selling freedom to the Republican base for how long now? Years. Brochures, handouts. Speeches. Debates. One on one conversations. We've explained, and clarified, as best we can. It's not that they don't understand Ron's positions, or the issues, or what we believe freedom is, they just reject it. Completely.

If the people of this country were generally "open" to the idea of freedom, but didn't think it would work, or had concerns, or questions regarding it, you might have a point. But they have expressed open hostility to freedom. Not just the Republican party. Not just the media. But the individual people themselves.

I ran out of excuses a long time ago as to why they don't want freedom. The simple fact of the matter is they don't. Until we accept that we simply cannot move forward in a productive fashion.

What's weird about this post is that we've had much greater success in 2012 than in 2008 so obviously something we're doing is working. Keep selling it. More and more people are buying. You're setting brushfires, not dropping napalm. Eventually brush fires burn huge areas. See the metaphor? You're never going to beat 20/30/40/60 years of MSM programming in a few years, particularly in a Republican party made up of lots of old people that trust what they see on tv. You have to keep at it and that's what the message is about. We're reaching young, middle age and old but it won't happen in a few years. Someone has to remember what freedom is to support it. That's a tough job to sell to people that have been taught for many years that freedom is something they can give up for security (in many ways). But fortunately more and more people are remembering what freedom is and with the young people being active, they haven't been brainwashed to the extent of the older folks.

 

[CPUd]

It should also be noted that TV is a dying medium, and those who run it are trying desperately to understand 'new media', because they are not maintaining control over the information during the transition like they did from radio to TV. This is a big part of the whole push for IP, privacy laws and regulations over the internet. They don't understand it enough to be effective, plus there is a lot of pushback by the public (because of the internet, word gets out), and it's getting harder for them to sneak things in like they used to.

 

[dillo]

It should also be noted that TV is a dying medium, and those who run it are trying desperately to understand 'new media', because they are not maintaining control over the information during the transition like they did from radio to TV. This is a big part of the whole push for IP, privacy laws and regulations over the internet. They don't understand it enough to be effective, plus there is a lot of pushback by the public (because of the internet, word gets out), and it's getting harder for them to sneak things in like they used to.

Trust me they understand it, the internet takes away the monopoly of news. In this day in age a monopoly of news keeps sheep sheeping and prevents the people from realizing how fucked they actually are.

 

[freedomordeath]

There's a god-in-the-flesh that going to return and save you someday soon. He hates anyone who doesn't believe in his name and will burn them forever and ever and ever. If god is going to burn them for ever and ever, let's send them there real soon, eh? And he put the rulers in power, all rulers and authority is from him, so be respectful to all authority.

I know there is a growing movement that thinks this is another con which is pretty sad, I mean if you think about it we could easily live in a Roman type of community with slaves, gladiators etc etc (we already getting back there esp with human trafficking etc etc), but Jesus came into the world not to teach people not to be ignorant of their surroundings but change the world through meekness, the meek with inherit the earth.

I had a huge argument with this one dude, he accused me of being anti-christian when I told him it was wrong to have a welfare state, then I turned it back on him when I said how Christian is it to force other people to pay for the welfare state through force via the ballot box, this guy was stunned (I explained the 51 vs 49% story) and that Christianity was about choice to help others and not through force. Ron Paul's meekness is changing the world and his education helped me to stun people in argument.

to the other dude saying the media is not colluding on mass......... WHAT PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON!!!!!! There is a group of people that make up a fraction of 1% of the world population that control the media across the planet, when I when into Frankfurt what shocked me was about 80% of publications are well known in the west (simply done in German language). They are blacking out Ron Paul and IT IS WORKING. I was a neo-con and there was a point that anyone attacking Bush was a left wing liberal socialist/communist. If pointed out his increased spending, then I would just blame the communists for forcing him to outspend the communist. If I saw Ron Paul attack foreign policy, I would have sympathy and say he doesn't understand 3rd world people The only thing that got me was his fiscal stuff, THATS THE ONLY THING and even then I thought the gold stuff was crazy because from an argument I pulled out of my ass, there was simply not enough gold on the planet... boy was I wrong.

If it wasn't for the internet then it would have been very very very hard for me to have become a Ron Pauler, very hard. Even when you listen to him speak on TV, it is very hard to change a persons thinking with a couple of minutes, you need to watch him talk over and over and read article after article in newspapers etc.

Now one could argue that why should he get the exposure, but if the media was unbiased using their own rules for exposure then the Iowa straw poll was it. Or the fact that Ron Paul was the only one in the running against Mitt, here in the international press we had months and months of Obama and Hillary in newspapers.

THE BLACKOUT WAS DELIBERATE.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

...which is why they are frantically trying to "regulate" the internet now.

Trust me they understand it, the internet takes away the monopoly of news. In this day in age a monopoly of news keeps sheep sheeping and prevents the people from realizing how fucked they actually are.

 

[TheTexan]

So you think it's hopeless to bring anyone else into the freedom movement? We've convinced all that we can, we're on our own now? If not, then who are they that are the hopeless and who are the possibilities?

So what's your point?

My point is that we can lead a horse to water, but we can't make it drink.

What's weird about this post is that we've had much greater success in 2012 than in 2008

We did do better this time around than in 2008, this is true, but in 2008 the campaign ended with a lot of people not having a chance to hear his message. This time around, the vast majority of voters were exposed to his message, and had at least a basic understanding of his stance on the issues. They generally had the facts, even if they chose to interpret those facts (or be told how to interpret, makes little difference to me), in ways that were completely wrong. For example they know Ron wants to bring the troops home, but chose to interpret that as "Ron wants Iran to have nukes."

We hit our ceiling in 2012. I'll try not to fault anyone for wanting to continue to try to educate, and if in 2016 if we have another burst of growth on top of the gains we've made since 2008, I'll bite my tongue, admit you were right, and get 100% on board.

However, if in 2016 our only political victories are achieved through compromise, rather than an actual expansion of the base, that doesn't indicate progress. Compromise by itself isn't necessarily a bad thing, but when it's used as a last resort, because the people we are compromising with simply will not come to our side, that implies we have hit our ceiling. And if we're having to compromise just to win a Republican primary, imagine how much compromising we will have to do win over the Democrats (some issues easier than other, though).

Basically, we need to expand our base. Our legitimate base. Compromising doesn't really expand the base, just artificially inflates it. The problem is, I don't see that happening. Some people think education is going to work, and we will be able to expand the base without resorting to compromise. Others say bringing people into the tent through compromise gives us an opportunity to educate them. Still others eschew education completely and go for the compromised win.

I just happen to think neither education, nor compromise will work. Which apparently puts me in an awkward position. But if in 2016 it turns out that neither approach is working, and the support for freedom has largely stagnated as I expect it will, I'll hope that we as a movement can reflect honestly on our progress, and seriously reconsider politics as a viable strategy.

 

[sailingaway]

I completely disagree about our hitting our ceiling. People know who he is but most just have spin.

 

[devil21]

The movement continues through electing good people into office that remember what freedom is. Those people then have the pulpits to speak to the masses about liberty, without much of the hatchet job the media did to Ron. Have you seen the list of Liberty candidates around the country? It's big and it'll keep growing, particularly once others start noticing that people that espouse this message can actually win. I don't look at 2016 as an election for the next Ron Paul. I look at 2016 as an election season where many local, state, and federal offices are filled by Liberty loving folks and even more will win.

If we keep spreading the message and politicians that are spreading the message are winning too, that's how you take this mofo over. Thing is, it requires YOU to get involved. Yes you. You have to work for your local, state, and federal liberty candidates to ensure they win. Sending money is a start. Getting involved on the ground is more important. The guy in my sig, Matthew, was outspent 3 to 1 by a GOP establishment backed candidate. The Paul and Tea Party people put together a ground game that BEAT that establishment candidate and now Matthew will likely win the seat. That's what has to be done.