RLC Straw Poll Win

Nice, but way too many votes for Cruz, regardless of his campaign buying hundreds of tickets.

I don't get why any Liberty people would go for him. He's just as down in the polls as Rand, less strong on spending, surveillance and is a hawk. He's also missing many of his votes in the Senate = not doing his job. He doesn't care about people... Only himself.
 
Cruz put in a tremendous effort, huge blow for him. if Rand had lost this it might have been game over.
 
Nice, but way too many votes for Cruz, regardless of his campaign buying hundreds of tickets.

I don't get why any Liberty people would go for him. He's just as down in the polls as Rand, less strong on spending, surveillance and is a hawk. He's also missing many of his votes in the Senate = not doing his job. He doesn't care about people... Only himself.

Where is the sourcing claiming that Cruz bought a lot of tickets to try and win this? Would be helpful.
 
Where is the sourcing claiming that Cruz bought a lot of tickets to try and win this? Would be helpful.

No source, sadly, but the OP posted this in another thread:

Rumor is that Cruz campaign bought 100 tix and his super pac bought 200. But they couldn't get that many supporters to show up. They were at Chik Fil A down the street trying to recruit strangers to come vote
 
would not surprise me that cruz would buy votes; that's his modus operandi; why would a liberty person vote for cruz? give me a break; where is he getting all of that money?
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This is awesome! I am sure politico will update their article from yesterday where they claimed Cruz was dominating this event while "increasing pressure from KY republicans" was trying to urge Rand to drop out of the race.
 
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This is awesome! I am sure politico will update their article from yesterday where they claimed Cruz was dominating this event while "increasing pressure from KY republicans" was trying to urge Rand to drop out of the race.

ha! right...


Good win for Rand.
 
"The Paul campaign insisted that the Cruz campaign bussed in supporters and still fell short in the poll, a charge the Cruz campaign denied. However, it was clear from the convention that both campaigns had organized heavily for the event, and Cruz and Paul were the only major candidates in attendance."



It should now be common knowledge if campaigns are bussing people into straw polls that there should always be someone filming these events and asking people why they're there.
 
Honestly I regret ever having donated to his Senate campaign in the first place. Cruz has been a huge disappointment. Considering that he largely has the Paul's to thank for winning his election in the first place, he has shown himself to be quite the slime-ball.

That, and turning into a full blown Israeli-first warhawk disqualifies him from any future support from me.
 
Cruz put in a tremendous effort, huge blow for him. if Rand had lost this it might have been game over.

That's like saying since Rand won, it's game winner? Haven't we learned from the last couple of election cycles the straw polls mean nothing? Hell there isn't even a blip about this in the news or even Drudge Report. Really, it's a difference that makes no difference.

Well hey found something. Cruz claims he won. :)


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Paul's campaign made no attempt to conceal its pleasure at besting Cruz. "While Ted Cruz worked hard and bussed people in, he ultimately did not resonate with liberty lovers," said Paul spokesman Sergio Gor. "Ted Cruz came, Ted Cruz saw, Ted Cruz was conquered."
 
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In all seriousness, Cruz is doubling down on taking the libertarian vote and he will deploy any tactic to split us up as much as he can. He knows after this election is over, he has no chance with the liberty movement ever again. The desperate tactics will only get worse from here on out.

And here comes David Weigel setting the record straight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-voter-straw-poll-ted-cruz-claims-otherwise/

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) came out ahead of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) in a weekend straw poll of libertarian-leaning Republican activists, but the Texan claimed victory anyway -- the latest gritted-teeth exchange between two candidates brawling for a similar base.

"Liberty unites people, and I am honored to win the Republican Liberty Caucus straw poll," Paul said in a statement. "I will continue to represent the Liberty wing of the Republican Party."

In a separate statement, released moments later, Cruz's campaign claimed a "major upset among libertarian voters" had occurred at a conference in Nashua, New Hampshire. "We are very encouraged by the growing support we are seeing among liberty voters in the early states and across the country,” Cruz said. "If I'm elected president, libertarian voters across the country can be confident that I will continue to stand for the U.S. Constitution at every turn.”

The math was kinder to Paul, who has led Cruz in endorsements from libertarian-leaning New Hampshire Republican legislators since the start of the presidential race. Both men spoke to the Republican Liberty Caucus meeting. Paul won 445 votes to 399 for Cruz, in a preference test that combined votes for first-choice candidates and for anyone that voters found acceptable. (Former neurosurgeon Ben Carson trailed with 139 votes, while former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina ran fourth with 79.)

Behind the scenes, Cruz allies had sown doubts about whether Paul's campaign was still competitive with the sort of "liberty" voters who were inspired to enter politics by his father, former Texas congressman Ron Paul. One rumor had Paul desperately busing in supporters from his home state of Kentucky. Another rumor had staff deserting the campaign as the Cruz juggernaut gathered momentum.

Paul's campaign made no attempt to conceal its pleasure at besting Cruz. "While Ted Cruz worked hard and bussed people in, he ultimately did not resonate with liberty lovers," said Paul spokesman Sergio Gor. "Ted Cruz came, Ted Cruz saw, Ted Cruz was conquered."

Cruz spokesman Rick Tyler said flatly that the campaign had not bussed anyone in to the conference, but confirmed that 25 tickets had been purchased for supporters. The campaign's post-vote statement led with how Cruz had won "51 percent" of the vote, based on the strange combined count. (According to this math, Paul won 57 percent of the vote.) Paul's campaign, which has grappled with weeks of stories about whether the candidate can even make it to the New Hampshire primary, was not so coy.

"One thing it should tell you is who has the better organizational muscle for conventions and caucuses," said Paul strategist Doug Stafford, who had previously laughed off a rumor that he'd abandoned the campaign for a struggling pro-Paul super PAC. "We don't spend all weekend planting stories about winning polls that require organization. We just win them."
 
Really good news for Rand, and it's a result the media should properly cover, if they were inclined to notice and report that "the Paul campaign shows signs of life." The large number of votes for Cruz in the straw poll shows the three part theme of the current election cycle (the public favoring non-establishment, culturally focused candidates, with backbone) helps a contender even if they evidence only two out of the three dynamics.

Notice that the top two (Trump, Carson) have exhibited all three factors in the primary race, while Fiorina and Cruz (close behind them) have exhibited two out of three (both pretend to be outsiders, but push the neo-con foreign policy line hard, which telegraphs to voters they will prioritize it over cultural issues in the White House). Candidates towards the bottom (including Rand) are exhibiting none of the three. Hopefully, there's still time for Rand to get bolder in confronting the mainstream and standing firm, while conveying he would be more centered on the cultural front.
 
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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) came out ahead of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) in a weekend straw poll of libertarian-leaning Republican activists, but the Texan claimed victory anyway

In a separate statement, released moments later, Cruz's campaign claimed a "major upset among libertarian voters" had occurred at a conference in Nashua, New Hampshire.

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I guess if all else fails and you don't win, just claim victory anyways and hope none of your supporters check to verify?

Behind the scenes, Cruz allies had sown doubts about whether Paul's campaign was still competitive with the sort of "liberty" voters who were inspired to enter politics by his father, former Texas congressman Ron Paul. One rumor had Paul desperately busing in supporters from his home state of Kentucky. Another rumor had staff deserting the campaign as the Cruz juggernaut gathered momentum.

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It's not a surprise that Cruz could have come in second, and most of the people that voted for him probably have Rand as a second choice so it's not the worst outcome. But still... stay classy Cruz campaign.

"We don't spend all weekend planting stories about winning polls that require organization. We just win them."

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