Rise of the "HomoCon"

[MelissaWV]

Government out of "marriage" altogether would be grand, thank you. That would place everyone on equal footing, and allow people to get into all sorts of interesting unions (should their religions, or whatever, want to join them into such). If those privately-celebrated unions would like to also include contractual bonds, I don't see why two (or more) individuals can't draw up enforcable contracts promising distribution of wealth if one party breaks a condition, or willing certain items to another upon death/disablement, or promising certain concessions of some other sort. That seems just fine. Leave the Government out of the whole thing, though, please.

If you want to "marry" a very nice picnic table from a reputable family of lawn furnishings, go right ahead. Just make sure to please consummate your union outside the sight of children or the easily-offended if at all possible.

 

[TonySutton]

Just another comment on the term "radical." If you note, it is an extremely imprecise term, meaning what in Netanyahu's context? I don't know. It's something that propagandists love to use because you can sound like you're saying something when you really aren't. Or more likely sound like you're saying something legitimate when you're actually implying something corrupt and immoral.

"Radical" means either something along the lines of extreme adherence to, to the root of, or fundamental. So a "radical Muslim" is basically a Muslim who practices an extreme form of Islam. Not extreme in sense of violence, but extreme in the sense of its adherence to Islamic principles. It's essentially a bigoted term disguised for political purposes.

"Violent Islam" is actually a legitimate expression. It's something pretty much everybody can agree is wrong. Why doesn't Netanyahu use that expression? Because Israel and its U.S. cronies are way more violent than any Muslim. Everybody knows that. He wants to insert a vague religious slur in the hope that nobody will evaluate what he's saying with any degree of precision. Absolutely neoconservatism.

Again, you provide ZERO proof for all your ranting. If you knew anything about Islam and the Koran you would know these extremist, radicals or whatever you wish to call them misinterpret the Koran to meet their personal needs, similar to how some Christians have in the past and maybe even today.

 

[jmdrake]

HAHAHAHA!! A truther calling somoeone ELSE stupid. Classic . It truly is.

If the shoe fits. (And in your case it clearly does). But hey, you want to give 100% veracity to a report where the people who wrote it now admit they were lied to, be my guest.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html

 

[jmdrake]

Netanyahu said "It pits civilization against barbarism"

http://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2009/09/24/1008134/netanyahus-un-general-assembly-speech

LaSalvia paraphrased Netanyahu and wrote "clash of civilization and barbarism"

http://blog.goproud.org/?p=199

So the GOProud blogger is the one that went for the incendiary neocon language? That makes it even worse then!

Where is the website that shows GOProud is a neocon organization? I do not see this linked anywhere in this thread.

You're simply being willfully blind then. I gave you a link that clearly explains the warmongering connotations of the "clash of civilization" rhetoric. But I shouldn't have had to do that. It's well known.

I care because people often assume or associate things incorrectly and I will call them on it when I see it. Furface called GOProud a neocon group and I called him on it because I did not see any proof of it in the blog article he linked. He then said it was because they praised the speech. This is not true, GOProud praised the portion of the speech where he talked about women, gays and religious minorities.

Then you jumped in the fray...

I jumped in the fray because you aren't weren't honestly assessing the evidence and you still aren't. The term "clash of civilizations" is a warmongering phrase. You want to go all into the meaning of the centuries old Koran, but you refuse to look at the ample evidence of what "clash of civilizations" means. Furface didn't make any incorrect association at all. Now maybe you still think GOProud is not neocon despite this evidence and that's fine. But to pretend it doesn't exist is just plain silly.

 

[Promontorium]

the comments from some of you young people on this forum underscore EXACTLY what I'm talkin about..

You have all been so corrupted by modern society that you can't even see it. Moral standards that were in place for THOUSANDS OF YEARS before you were even born were only overturned in the past 40 years.

These mores existed for a reason. They served as the basis for the formation of stable families and stable communities.

You fools who scoff at what has happened to our society really think that all we need is Austrian Economics and everything will be ok?

Look around.....half the damn country is medicated or addicted to booze, drugs etc. All trying to fill the emptiness inside...an emptiness caused by a dgenerate society that thinks "happiness" is to be found in material things and easy sex instead of faith in a higher power, stable relationships and traditional families.

50% divorce.....young people who never marry or have kids.....herpes, AIDS, screwed up emotional development, abortions, perversions, depression......

How's that sexual revolution thingey workin out for ya?

You don't seem to understand the concept of individual rights. It is in this that I wonder, what exactly you are doing here?

People on this board get called "neocons" for supporting the concept of military.


You're the paradigm of neo-conservatism.

Socially and morally bound by collectivism. Politically, against true capitalism. Your concept of conservatism is a system of forced norms based on your perception of right and wrong.

 

[furface]

Again, you provide ZERO proof for all your ranting. If you knew anything about Islam and the Koran you would know these extremist, radicals or whatever you wish to call them misinterpret the Koran to meet their personal needs, similar to how some Christians have in the past and maybe even today.

What would you like to know about the Qur'an (usual spelling for English speakers familiar with Islam)? Or about the Christian Bible for that matter.

If you want to lob pure insults, be prepared to support them. I have my doubts about engaging with you any further because you don't appear to be bound by logic. This is normal for crypto anti-Muslim bigots, they refuse to submit to the single and universal reality of Allah.

 

[furface]

Here's some Qur'an for TonySutton. It's very relevant concerning people who simply refuse to accept reality.

2:6,7

As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.

Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.

 

[jmdrake]

Again, you provide ZERO proof for all your ranting. If you knew anything about Islam and the Koran you would know these extremist, radicals or whatever you wish to call them misinterpret the Koran to meet their personal needs, similar to how some Christians have in the past and maybe even today.

NuttyYahoo uses the Old Testament part of that same Bible to justify displacing people off of their land and generally treating them like dirt. And unfortunately many Christians today do the same. I saw NuttyYahoo preach once at Pastor John Hagee's church. (Neocon extraordinaire).

Of course here's the real kicker. You don't like Islam? Fine. What do you propose to do about it? I don't approve of everything the Saudis do, but as long as they do it in their country it's none of my business.

 

[TonySutton]

So the GOProud blogger is the one that went for the incendiary neocon language? That makes it even worse then!



You're simply being willfully blind then. I gave you a link that clearly explains the warmongering connotations of the "clash of civilization" rhetoric. But I shouldn't have had to do that. It's well known.




I jumped in the fray because you aren't weren't honestly assessing the evidence and you still aren't. The term "clash of civilizations" is a warmongering phrase. You want to go all into the meaning of the centuries old Koran, but you refuse to look at the ample evidence of what "clash of civilizations" means. Furface didn't make any incorrect association at all. Now maybe you still think GOProud is not neocon despite this evidence and that's fine. But to pretend it doesn't exist is just plain silly.

Oh its super secret spy code... no wonder I couldn't figure it out, I misplaced my super secret spy decoder ring back around 4th grade or maybe I outgrew it.

 

[TonySutton]

Of course here's the real kicker. You don't like Islam? Fine. What do you propose to do about it? I don't approve of everything the Saudis do, but as long as they do it in their country it's none of my business.

Feel free to link us to where I said I dislike Islam.

 

[AlexMerced]

Everyone in this Thread should just read Walter Blocks "Defending the Undefendable"

Everyone has the right to their opinion of each other, that's the beauty of liberty, so let's get back to fighting for liberty.

Although if you believe in regulating other peoples social behavior no matter how bad or good you think it is, then you are not for liberty.

I'm not a big fan bigotry, I'm not a big fan of hate, but I'll fight for people liberty to be bigoted and hateful cause it protects my liberty to be loving and accepting.

 

[jmdrake]

Feel free to link us to where I said I dislike Islam.

Fair enough. You don't like what some countries do to their own citizens in the name of Islam. How's that? I still don't see the internal affairs of Saudi Arabia as any of my business or any of NuttyYahoo's business.

 

[TonySutton]

Fair enough. You don't like what some countries do to their own citizens in the name of Islam. How's that? I still don't see the internal affairs of Saudi Arabia as any of my business or any of NuttyYahoo's business.

Where do you get this stuff?

Of course I do not like what some countries do to their citizens, so what? BUT I do not and have never attempted to use force to push my will on any country or their citizens.

I will speak my mind on any subject I wish

 

[Theocrat]

Rising to Fall

The rise of the "HomoCon" will be the death of the so-called conservative movement. You might as well have "RapistCons," "BestialCons," and "PedoCons" if you want to invite groups into the movement whose sexual behavior is contrary to moral decency, violates nature, and, yet, is worn proudly to all. That is not liberty; it is licentiousness.

 

[TonySutton]

The rise of the "HomoCon" will be the death of the so-called conservative movement. You might as well have "RapistCons," "BestialCons," and "PedoCons" if you want to invite groups into the movement whose sexual behavior is contrary to moral decency, violates nature, and, yet, is worn proudly to all. That is not liberty; it is licentiousness.

or even worse TheosCon...

 

[TheEvilDetector]

I don't even take you seriously enough to take the time to do otherwise. This is why you are laughed out of CPAC and everywhere else you show up , because you are a WASTE OF EVERYONE"S TIME. Truthers are a joke , always will be, so get over it.

I don't believe the official 9/11 story (which btw is just another conspiracy theory technically speaking) and in fact find the Controlled Demolition Theory more plausible than the official theory, so I suppose I could be called a truther due to that.

Doesn't bother me in the least.

I would expect that in the current political climate it is becoming exceedingly more difficult for people to swallow without indigestion official explanations for whatever event
given the amount of bs that the government has admitted to to-date and bs that has become self-evident over time.

It is in fact surprising that anyone would simply take at face value any official explanation without carrying out some investigations to see if the witnesses/process/data have been contaminated/fabricated/omitted/substituted or otherwise interfered with.

Lastly, your attitude is likely to invite equally pointed blowback, from outspoken truthers, but you reap what you sow.

 

[zade]

The rise of the "HomoCon" will be the death of the so-called conservative movement. You might as well have "RapistCons," "BestialCons," and "PedoCons" if you want to invite groups into the movement whose sexual behavior is contrary to moral decency, violates nature, and, yet, is worn proudly to all. That is not liberty; it is licentiousness.

awful

 

[jsu718]

or even worse TheosCon...

Yeah... the Republican Party really accelerated downhill once the Christian Coalition started pushing the social aspect of their politics toward the statist side.

 

[dannno]

Now we have homosexual males and meterosexual males, I am so sick of all of this I would rather just be a non-sexual male and never reproduce.

Good for you, but that doesn't work for me I am not attracted to guys, btw, but I refuse to be a non-sexual male OR wait till marriage which may or may not happen.

That's what is great about liberty.

 

[TheConstitutionLives]

Why do these people have to wear their perversion on their sleeve?

What does it say about us when we are so accepting of homosexuality but demand that 911 truthers stay in the closet?....think about that one!

Our problems as a nation run much deeper than a lack of understanding about Austrian Economics. ..The real cancer is moral degradation....Adultery, promiscuity, acceptance of homosexuality, illegitimacy etc.